This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

Well the debates will go on and I think that is good. The American public deserves to hear from these two right now. I really give McCain points for the strategy. As far as stunts, it wasn't bad, in fact, it was pretty darn good.

You know, I don't think the dems have anything to gain by talking about Palin. Honestly, I don't think they have talked that much about her at all. Everytime, Obama gets off track and talks about McCain or Palin, he works against himself. His strength is he is better on the issues. Dispute the negative ads, but invest as much or more talking about what America wants to hear: how are we going to get this country out of all these messes? That is what I want to hear from Obama, and he does it well.

Palin is on a leash. I think Obama could learn something from McCain in that regard. Put Biden on one too.

I really don't like a government bail out, but I think it will happen. I think Congress slowing the process down -- Democrats and Republican in Congress -- did Bush a favor. It will make it a better bill. It's still not a good bill, but I don't think we can have a depression. On one hand, I think we should just let the market go. We will have a depression and five years from now all debts will be cleared, business and consumers. Depression's do have an amazing way of letting people start over. But, realistically, we can't do that.

Yes, yes, yes, yes... I couldn't agree more with all you have written, Jess... unless, of course, I was you and wrote it myself. But if I would have written it, it would have had an unacceptable level of smartassishness! GREAT post!!!

That was funny. She said Americans are waiting for John McCain's answers. They aren't waiting for Obama's. Couric said how do you know that and Palin says because McCain has the answers. Couris says, well the polls say the Americans trust Obama more on the economy. It was actually very very funny.

That and when KC asked her for examples of what McCain's done and she referred back tp what KC said he'd done, then said he was a maverick (because we know that's a concrete example and I guess KC wasn't having it and asked again and this gem.....I'll try to find you some and bring 'em back to you.

I forgot to thank Mulder for the link....so thanks Mulder!!!

Edited September 25, 200817 yr by Wales2004

Anyone see the horrible Sarah Palin interview exclusive with Katie Couric on CBS Evening News. Palin's made a damn fool of herself. She sounded so nervous, unsure, frightened and dumb. And the GOP try to compare her to Hillary Rodham Clinton. Hillary is a million times smarter than this loser.

Yes, yes, yes, yes... I couldn't agree more with all you have written, Jess... unless, of course, I was you and wrote it myself. But if I would have written it, it would have had an unacceptable level of smartassishness! GREAT post!!!

NO, WAIT... Wrong post! OMG, no!!!!! Sorry, Mulder... this response was meant for Jess.

I know, I did not see the interview but I agree with you on the Hillary comparison. I think SNL's skit hit the nail on the head. (It really was one of the funniest skits I had seen in a long while).

I think the Hillary comparisons open the door for revising the Bentsen quote: Governor, I know Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton is a friend of mine and you are no Hillary Clinton.

You know, I do think the Dems should let her speak for herself. There is nothing to gain for Obama to give her any attention at all.

Unfortunately for Dems, comparing Palin to Candidate Clinton is sort of like messing around with a Ouija Board... Conjuring up a spirit can often be dangerous, dealing with something you don't quite understand...

Resurrecting the past, namely Hillary, will remind many likely voters that she would have made an awesome presidential nominee... a better option than that of Obama. Worse still, stirring up ghosts of Vice-Presidential pics past... chiefly, Big-Mouthed Big-Mistake Biden.

For anyone who missed it, here's the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric interview with Gov. Sarah Palin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Yx-RhHb4g

Not good at all, Palin seemed to really be at a loss for words for almost everything in this interview.

Obama goes over the top in bashing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Once again, U.S. politicians, including both Sarah Palin and Barack Obama, pile on the Iranian president. Why does Larry King (!) sound like the adult in the room?

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/...ejad/index.html

What the HELL? Who is this idiot, Juan Cole, at Salon.com? "Piling on" AhmadineJihad? Give me a break... Little Prick is a freakin' terrorist!! I applaud Obama and any other politician who condemns AhmadineJihad!

Obama was dead-on in his response to the Little Prick and his ignorant address to the UN. Good grief... I thought Obama was leftist? Apparently Barack is moderate to right compared to this idiot socialist Juan Cole! What kind of moron criticizes Obama OR Palin on this stance?

And where does this guy get off complimenting Larry King??? OMG!!!! Who compliments LARRY KING?!?!?!? AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Edited September 25, 200817 yr by GoldenDogs

It's amazing.

John McCain has now shown himself as the biggestr punk ass by bailing on tis thing, and NOW we have those who are STILL trying to talk about other bullshit!

Amazing.

If Obama had done some punk ass [!@#$%^&*] like this he would kiss his dreams of being POTUS goodbye. McCain does it and it's great strategy?!

What?!

How is Obama backtracking or bickering?

It doesn't seem to me that he is putting forth the effort of bi-partisanship (which he stakes claim to initiating) when he mocks McCain for not being able to do two things at once...He wants to have a debate about foreign policy Friday night when our nation is facing the largest financial crisis in decades.

There are plenty of days left to debate...There are two other debates scheduled, and Friday's can be made up..

McCain said, the debate should be delayed until a bill is passed to thwart a possible recession. If the bill is hashed out before Friday, fine. The debate is on...If not, I don't think the candidates should abandon their roles in the Senate to debate foreign policy...

Is the debate going to take a few days to have or is it a matter of hours because when politicians posture about how they're skipping several hours of this to do this ginnormous thing that is going to take more than those hours... Why didn't he rush back sooner or did it take him this long to realize it might be serious and now he wants to jump right on it? How much confidence should the public have in a leader who takes a little while to figure out that a problem is really a problem and might seriously need some attention?

The bill is coming before congress tomorrow..it was not up to McCain as to when he would need to come back to Washington to participate in the legislative procedure.

I would hope that a bill of this magnitude would not be rushed in order to allow for a debate over a less pertinent issue...Would you rather the financial rescue bill be carefully amended by every member of congress, or would you rather the candidates that could possibly be president have no say in the matter?

The first debate will not have an everlasting impact on the entire financial stability of our nation for years to come. The debate can be done another day..We need a decision on this bill to settle this matter as soon as possible..

Let me say it then....Obama and McCain aren't going to fix this problem whether they go hold hands and sing kumbaya or not. The whole village has to fix in it and they're not the whole village and right now all they can do is pose and try to look presidential. I expect them to show up for the vote and even participate via teleconferencing on the matter but neither one is the head of the pertinent committee....or did I miss that too?

Obama and McCain holding hands on this matter, will provide inspiration for the other members to work together in their example. Why is bi-partisanship looked upon negatively? I think it is a great thing! Especially on an issue that effects every citizen in this country..

McCain is the former head of the Commerce Committee..He is still a member of this committee, but has stepped down as head to pursue the White House.

Edited September 25, 200817 yr by Casey008

It's amazing.

John McCain has now shown himself as the biggestr punk ass by bailing on tis thing, and NOW we have those who are STILL trying to talk about other bullshit!

Amazing.

If Obama had done some punk ass [!@#$%^&*] like this he would kiss his dreams of being POTUS goodbye. McCain does it and it's great strategy?!

What?!

Do you feel Obama bowing out of the townhall debates offered by McCain to be considered "punk ass [!@#$%^&*]"?

So you don't feel McCain is putting country before campaign by vowing to help generate a solution to this mess? You think it's purely political strategy? He should continue campaigning and debating even if it means missing the most important vote of his 26 year career in th US Congress?

Just take a step back and ask yourself about both candidates, just as of today and on this financial crisis...Who seems more sleazy and who seems more like a leader??

I'm not offering any answers..but you should ask yourself that question.

Edited September 25, 200817 yr by Casey008

Do you feel Obama bowing out of the townhall debates offered by McCain to be considered "punk ass [!@#$%^&*]"?

So you don't feel McCain is putting country before campaign by vowing to help generate a solution to this mess? You think it's purely political strategy? He should continue campaigning and debating even if it means missing the most important vote of his 26 year career in th US Congress?

Boy, if I had a nickel for every single time you follow up someone telling the truth about McCain with a question about Obama, I could take the rest of the year off.

And why should he NOT miss the vote.....he hasn't voted on anything for the last [!@#$%^&*] year!

It doesn't seem to me that he is putting forth the effort of bi-partisanship (which he stakes claim to initiating) when he mocks McCain for not being able to do two things at once...He wants to have a debate about foreign policy Friday night when our nation is facing the largest financial crisis in decades.

There are plenty of days left to debate...There are two other debates scheduled, and Friday's can be made up..

McCain said, the debate should be delayed until a bill is passed to thwart a possible recession. If the bill is hashed out before Friday, fine. The debate is on...If not, I don't think the candidates should abandon their roles in the Senate to debate foreign policy...

The bill is coming before congress tomorrow..it was not up to McCain as to when he would need to come back to Washington to participate in the legislative procedure.

I would hope that a bill of this magnitude would not be rushed in order to allow for a debate over a less pertinent issue...Would you rather the financial rescue bill be carefully amended by every member of congress, or would you rather the candidates that could possibly be president have no say in the matter?

The first debate will not have an everlasting impact on the entire financial stability of our nation for years to come. The debate can be done another day..We need a decision on this bill to settle this matter as soon as possible..

Obama and McCain holding hands on this matter, will provide inspiration for the other members to work together in their example. Why is bi-partisanship looked upon negatively? I think it is a great thing! Especially on an issue that effects every citizen in this country..

McCain is the former head of the Commerce Committee..He is still a member of this committee, but has stepped down as head to pursue the White House.

No effort of bi-partisanship.......even though I told you Obama called McCain first. McCain is lying and now acting like this was his idea.

Apparently you hear once again, what you want to hear. A damn shame.

Do you feel Obama bowing out of the townhall debates offered by McCain to be considered "punk ass [!@#$%^&*]"?

So you don't feel McCain is putting country before campaign by vowing to help generate a solution to this mess? You think it's purely political strategy? He should continue campaigning and debating even if it means missing the most important vote of his 26 year career in th US Congress?

The debate did not have to be canceled in order for him to vote, it's called multi-tasking and if a candidate has problems multi-tasking then they aren't cut out to be President. This is the first time any Presidential candidate has pulled something like this and it doesn't look good.

Boy, if I had a nickel for every single time you follow up someone telling the truth about McCain with a question about Obama, I could take the rest of the year off.

And why should he NOT miss the vote.....he hasn't voted on anything for the last [!@#$%^&*] year!

You just did the exact same thing! You follow up a question of Obama with a slam on McCain...But the only difference is...you never answer the question about Obama that I raise...!

Just wondering..has there been an issue of this magnitude that McCain has missed voting on since april, or Obama since July?

No effort of bi-partisanship.......even though I told you Obama called McCain first. McCain is lying and now acting like this was his idea.

Apparently you hear once again, what you want to hear. A damn shame.

I actually heard that from Obama himself, at his press conference earlier today..You were not the first barer of this news to me, Roman.

It sounds similar to a school yard argument...It was my idea fiiirst...na na na na boo boo!

So if it was Obama's idea, why is he not showing more of an effort to put aside McCain slams (cant do two things at once) (it wasn't his idea)...etc...?

He is like a dog with a bone...wont let go..even when our country doesn't want to hear this crap right now...Not a bi-partisan example...

Just take a step back and ask yourself about both candidates, just as of today and on this financial crisis...Who seems more sleazy and who seems more like a leader??

I'm not offering any answers..but you should ask yourself that question.

The debate did not have to be canceled in order for him to vote, it's called multi-tasking and if a candidate has problems multi-tasking then they aren't cut out to be President. This is the first time any Presidential candidate has pulled something like this and it doesn't look good.

How in the hell can someone debate in Mississippi and vote in Washington DC at the same time? Do the presidential candidates have super powers that I am not aware of?

The vote might be taking place late Friday (same time the debate is scheduled)...McCain has said that he will be there ...if and only if... there has been some type of consensus on the financial crisis.

Edited September 25, 200817 yr by Casey008

How in the hell can someone debate in Mississippi and vote in Washington DC at the same time? Do the presidential candidates have super powers that I am not aware of?

The vote might be taking place late Friday (same time the debate is scheduled)...McCain has said that he will be there ...if and only if... there has been some type of consensus on the financial crisis.

The leadership in Congress isn't necessarily close to a deal, so the vote probably wouldn't be that soon and McCain certainly knew it wouldn't be that soon when he came up with idea of postponing the debate. I'm not buying that his request for postponement had anything to do with the vote, I think he's just reluctant to debate.

The debate did not have to be canceled in order for him to vote, it's called multi-tasking and if a candidate has problems multi-tasking then they aren't cut out to be President. This is the first time any Presidential candidate has pulled something like this and it doesn't look good.

You also know that the McCain campaign wants to suspend the Biden/Palin debate.

I thought she was ready for this. I guess not, especially when, after Katie Couric asked her 3 seperate times to name one time John McCain voted for any type of regulation, Palin said "Let me look that up and I'll get back with you."

just, just.......sad.

Edited September 25, 200817 yr by Roman