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Barack Obama Elected President!

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I guess someone besides me is a bit cranky today:

McCain Loses His Head

By George F. WillTuesday, September 23, 2008; Page A21

"The queen had only one way of settling all difficulties, great or small. 'Off with his head!' she said without even looking around."

-- "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland"

Under the pressure of the financial crisis, one presidential candidate is behaving like a flustered rookie playing in a league too high. It is not Barack Obama.

Channeling his inner Queen of Hearts, John McCain furiously, and apparently without even looking around at facts, said Chris Cox, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, should be decapitated. This childish reflex provoked the Wall Street Journal to editorialize that "McCain untethered" -- disconnected from knowledge and principle -- had made a "false and deeply unfair" attack on Cox that was "unpresidential" and demonstrated that McCain "doesn't understand what's happening on Wall Street any better than Barack Obama does."

To read the Journal's details about the depths of McCain's shallowness on the subject of Cox's chairmanship, see "McCain's Scapegoat" (Sept. 19, Page A22). Then consider McCain's characteristic accusation that Cox "has betrayed the public's trust."

Perhaps an old antagonism is involved in McCain's fact-free slander. His most conspicuous economic adviser is Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who previously headed the Congressional Budget Office. There he was an impediment to conservatives, including then-Rep. Cox, who, as chairman of the Republican Policy Committee, persistently tried and generally failed to enlist CBO support for "dynamic scoring" that would estimate the economic growth effects of proposed tax cuts.

In any case, McCain's smear -- that Cox "betrayed the public's trust" -- is a harbinger of a McCain presidency. For McCain, politics is always operatic, pitting people who agree with him against those who are "corrupt" or "betray the public's trust," two categories that seem to be exhaustive -- there are no other people. McCain's Manichaean worldview drove him to his signature legislative achievement, the McCain-Feingold law's restrictions on campaigning. Today, his campaign is creatively finding interstices in laws intended to restrict campaign giving and spending. (For details, see The Post of Sept. 17, Page A4; and the New York Times of Sept. 20, Page One.)

By a Gresham's Law of political discourse, McCain's Queen of Hearts intervention in the opaque financial crisis overshadowed a solid conservative complaint from the Republican Study Committee, chaired by Rep. Jeb Hensarling of Texas. In a letter to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, the RSC decried the improvised torrent of bailouts as a "dangerous and unmistakable precedent for the federal government both to be looked to and indeed relied upon to save private sector companies from the consequences of their poor economic decisions." This letter, listing just $650 billion of the perhaps more than $1 trillion in new federal exposures to risk, was sent while McCain's campaign, characteristically substituting vehemence for coherence, was airing an ad warning that Obama favors "massive government, billions in spending increases."

The political left always aims to expand the permeation of economic life by politics. Today, the efficient means to that end is government control of capital. So, is not McCain's party now conducting the most leftist administration in American history? The New Deal never acted so precipitously on such a scale. Treasury Secretary Paulson, asked about conservative complaints that his rescue program amounts to socialism, said, essentially: This is not socialism, this is necessary. That non sequitur might be politically necessary, but remember that government control of capital is government control of capitalism. Does McCain have qualms about this, or only quarrels?

On "60 Minutes" Sunday evening, McCain, saying "this may sound a little unusual," said that he would like to replace Cox with Andrew Cuomo, the Democratic attorney general of New York who is the son of former governor Mario Cuomo. McCain explained that Cuomo has "respect" and "prestige" and could "lend some bipartisanship." Conservatives have been warned.

Conservatives who insist that electing McCain is crucial usually start, and increasingly end, by saying he would make excellent judicial selections. But the more one sees of his impulsive, intensely personal reactions to people and events, the less confidence one has that he would select judges by calm reflection and clear principles, having neither patience nor aptitude for either.

It is arguable that, because of his inexperience, Obama is not ready for the presidency. It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency. Unreadiness can be corrected, although perhaps at great cost, by experience. Can a dismaying temperament be fixed?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...8092202583.html

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I know this will probably sound silly, but I think McCain's temperment might be beneficial to the office.

I'm a big history buff and all hot-tempered Presidents are usually successful and persuasive.

Andrew Jackson was probably the most hot-tempered of all Presidents and is also considered "great" by most historians.

Other hot-tempers...Harry S. Truman, Teddy Roosevelt, and LBJ.

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Sometimes..even the Nat. Enq. breaks stories! LOL..

I'm still leaning on the side of this being BS, but you never know....

Perhaps....I'm not really up on the factual breaking stories that come from the National Enquirer.

If you can find a credible source on the lawsuit (as in any major network news), please let me know since I would love to know where he says Obama was actually born. I assume that if he says the certificate is a forgery then he ought to know exactly where Obama was born.

The part about Obama revoking citizenship won't fly so he would have to have definite proof that Obama was born outside of the U.S.

I don't think he has anything to do with Clinton. He's probably someone trying to help the Republicans out because if he were trying to help Clinton, he would have done so during the primaries.

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Perhaps....I'm not really up on the factual breaking stories that come from the National Enquirer.

Although not of much political relevance, the National Enq broke the John Edwards affair story...

If you can find a credible source on the lawsuit (as in any major network news), please let me know since I would love to know where he says Obama was actually born. I assume that if he says the certificate is a forgery then he ought to know exactly where Obama was born.

The part about Obama revoking citizenship won't fly so he would have to have definite proof that Obama was born outside of the U.S.

I don't think he has anything to do with Clinton. He's probably someone trying to help the Republicans out because if he were trying to help Clinton, he would have done so during the primaries.

Believe me, I am looking for a credible source. I haven't been able to find one. That's why I am smelling something fishy with this story. It's either a closely guarded secret, it's totally untrue, or the media is choosing to ignore it..

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Here is the actual legal filing from Berg. (freerepublic.com)

Berg has brought up three charges...

Count One: VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, ARTICLE II, SECTION I

Count Two: DUAL CITIZENSHIP

Count Three: FRAUD

PHILIP J. BERG v. BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA - Complaint

Just from the wording in count one alone, I think this may tie up Obama's candidacy in court...

Berg says there is evidence he was born in Kenya. (His maternal grandmother, half brother, and half sister claim Obama's mother gave birth in Kenya)

Also...I found an article from the Washington Times..

Washington Times Article

Edited by Casey008

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Here is the actual legal filing from Berg. (freerepublic.com)

Berg has brought up three charges...

Count One: VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, ARTICLE II, SECTION I

Count Two: DUAL CITIZENSHIP

Count Three: FRAUD

PHILIP J. BERG v. BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA - Complaint

Just from the wording in count one alone, I think this may tie up Obama's candidacy in court...

Berg says there is evidence he was born in Kenya. (His maternal grandmother, half brother, and half sister claim Obama's mother gave birth in Kenya)

What kind of site is freerepublic.com?

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What kind of site is freerepublic.com?

I'm not sure. I haven't really heard much about them...I edited the post...I found an article from the Washington Times.

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I'm not sure. I haven't really heard much about them...I edited the post...I found an article from the Washington Times.

Thanks. I just saw that.

I'm sure you saw that the WT article basically says fact checking groups debunked the birth certificate part and maybe that's why the major networks didn't pursue it as a story.

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Thanks. I just saw that.

I'm sure you saw that the WT article basically says fact checking groups debunked the birth certificate part and maybe that's why the major networks didn't pursue it as a story.

Berg has an answer to factcheck..on his official site for the suit..obamacrimes.com

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Sometimes..even the Nat. Enq. breaks stories! LOL..

I'm still leaning on the side of this being BS, but you never know....

But now, didn't you say we should stay on the issues?

How is this staying on the issues?

Now, I wonder will you complain the next time someone you disagree with post something like this. What this has to do with the issues you always want to talk about escapes me.

(BTW.........John McCain was born in Panama City, Panama, so I think I wuld dropthe 'not a citizen' stuff if I were you).

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:(:( No one mentioned my name?!?!?

You are one of the best people on this board. You know good and well we could have a discussion that would last until the dawn.

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I'd like to know more about Greg and B&Bfan... :D

:P

I'm pretty moderate in real life. Extremists on either side of the aisle make me sick.

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But now, didn't you say we should stay on the issues?

How is this staying on the issues?

Now, I wonder will you complain the next time someone you disagree with post something like this. What this has to do with the issues you always want to talk about escapes me.

(BTW.........John McCain was born in Panama City, Panama, so I think I wuld dropthe 'not a citizen' stuff if I were you).

Roman, I only complain when someone singles me out personally, thereby diverging from issues.. Thanks for continuing to do so.

This is a potential issue! It may be true and it may not...

I don't think anyone is suing John McCain for forging his birth certificate or being in violation of constitutional mandates for presidential candidates..

I think this story is noteworthy because a fellow Democrat and attorney felt strongly enough about this situation to take Obama to court.

It's up to the court and judges now to determine if the allegations are true or not.

If you dont feel that this story is worth talking about, Roman, that is well within your rights..

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Roman, I only complain when someone singles me out personally, thereby diverging from issues.. Thanks for continuing to do so.

This is a potential issue! It may be true and it may not...

I don't think anyone is suing John McCain for forging his birth certificate or being in violation of constitutional mandates for presidential candidates..

Who called you out personally?

You were the first person to post that "Lipstick" stuff, and then you got mad when people commented on it, blasting people for not being on the issues. Now, Wales and others ahve said that this was debunked, and you insist that this is news. And you also say that JM is not being sued, therefore it isn't as important as posting this about Obama.

I'm just saying that it may be wise not to post this and then blast some of us for commenting on it and saying we spend more time talking about BS instead of the issues. But, free country. get down like you live. :)

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What kind of site is freerepublic.com?

It's a very far-right message board. They've been pushing the birth certificate story with absolutely nothing real to substantiate it.

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