This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

I know this will probably sound silly, but I think McCain's temperment might be beneficial to the office.

I'm a big history buff and all hot-tempered Presidents are usually successful and persuasive.

Andrew Jackson was probably the most hot-tempered of all Presidents and is also considered "great" by most historians.

Other hot-tempers...Harry S. Truman, Teddy Roosevelt, and LBJ.

Sometimes..even the Nat. Enq. breaks stories! LOL..

I'm still leaning on the side of this being BS, but you never know....

Perhaps....I'm not really up on the factual breaking stories that come from the National Enquirer.

If you can find a credible source on the lawsuit (as in any major network news), please let me know since I would love to know where he says Obama was actually born. I assume that if he says the certificate is a forgery then he ought to know exactly where Obama was born.

The part about Obama revoking citizenship won't fly so he would have to have definite proof that Obama was born outside of the U.S.

I don't think he has anything to do with Clinton. He's probably someone trying to help the Republicans out because if he were trying to help Clinton, he would have done so during the primaries.

Perhaps....I'm not really up on the factual breaking stories that come from the National Enquirer.

Although not of much political relevance, the National Enq broke the John Edwards affair story...

If you can find a credible source on the lawsuit (as in any major network news), please let me know since I would love to know where he says Obama was actually born. I assume that if he says the certificate is a forgery then he ought to know exactly where Obama was born.

The part about Obama revoking citizenship won't fly so he would have to have definite proof that Obama was born outside of the U.S.

I don't think he has anything to do with Clinton. He's probably someone trying to help the Republicans out because if he were trying to help Clinton, he would have done so during the primaries.

Believe me, I am looking for a credible source. I haven't been able to find one. That's why I am smelling something fishy with this story. It's either a closely guarded secret, it's totally untrue, or the media is choosing to ignore it..

Here is the actual legal filing from Berg. (freerepublic.com)

Berg has brought up three charges...

Count One: VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, ARTICLE II, SECTION I

Count Two: DUAL CITIZENSHIP

Count Three: FRAUD

PHILIP J. BERG v. BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA - Complaint

Just from the wording in count one alone, I think this may tie up Obama's candidacy in court...

Berg says there is evidence he was born in Kenya. (His maternal grandmother, half brother, and half sister claim Obama's mother gave birth in Kenya)

Also...I found an article from the Washington Times..

Washington Times Article

Edited September 23, 200817 yr by Casey008

Here is the actual legal filing from Berg. (freerepublic.com)

Berg has brought up three charges...

Count One: VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, ARTICLE II, SECTION I

Count Two: DUAL CITIZENSHIP

Count Three: FRAUD

PHILIP J. BERG v. BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA - Complaint

Just from the wording in count one alone, I think this may tie up Obama's candidacy in court...

Berg says there is evidence he was born in Kenya. (His maternal grandmother, half brother, and half sister claim Obama's mother gave birth in Kenya)

What kind of site is freerepublic.com?

What kind of site is freerepublic.com?

I'm not sure. I haven't really heard much about them...I edited the post...I found an article from the Washington Times.

I'm not sure. I haven't really heard much about them...I edited the post...I found an article from the Washington Times.

Thanks. I just saw that.

I'm sure you saw that the WT article basically says fact checking groups debunked the birth certificate part and maybe that's why the major networks didn't pursue it as a story.

Thanks. I just saw that.

I'm sure you saw that the WT article basically says fact checking groups debunked the birth certificate part and maybe that's why the major networks didn't pursue it as a story.

Berg has an answer to factcheck..on his official site for the suit..obamacrimes.com

Sometimes..even the Nat. Enq. breaks stories! LOL..

I'm still leaning on the side of this being BS, but you never know....

But now, didn't you say we should stay on the issues?

How is this staying on the issues?

Now, I wonder will you complain the next time someone you disagree with post something like this. What this has to do with the issues you always want to talk about escapes me.

(BTW.........John McCain was born in Panama City, Panama, so I think I wuld dropthe 'not a citizen' stuff if I were you).

Edited September 23, 200817 yr by Roman

No one mentioned my name?!?!?

You are one of the best people on this board. You know good and well we could have a discussion that would last until the dawn.

I'd like to know more about Greg and B&Bfan...

I'm pretty moderate in real life. Extremists on either side of the aisle make me sick.

But now, didn't you say we should stay on the issues?

How is this staying on the issues?

Now, I wonder will you complain the next time someone you disagree with post something like this. What this has to do with the issues you always want to talk about escapes me.

(BTW.........John McCain was born in Panama City, Panama, so I think I wuld dropthe 'not a citizen' stuff if I were you).

Roman, I only complain when someone singles me out personally, thereby diverging from issues.. Thanks for continuing to do so.

This is a potential issue! It may be true and it may not...

I don't think anyone is suing John McCain for forging his birth certificate or being in violation of constitutional mandates for presidential candidates..

I think this story is noteworthy because a fellow Democrat and attorney felt strongly enough about this situation to take Obama to court.

It's up to the court and judges now to determine if the allegations are true or not.

If you dont feel that this story is worth talking about, Roman, that is well within your rights..

Edited September 23, 200817 yr by Casey008

Roman, I only complain when someone singles me out personally, thereby diverging from issues.. Thanks for continuing to do so.

This is a potential issue! It may be true and it may not...

I don't think anyone is suing John McCain for forging his birth certificate or being in violation of constitutional mandates for presidential candidates..

Who called you out personally?

You were the first person to post that "Lipstick" stuff, and then you got mad when people commented on it, blasting people for not being on the issues. Now, Wales and others ahve said that this was debunked, and you insist that this is news. And you also say that JM is not being sued, therefore it isn't as important as posting this about Obama.

I'm just saying that it may be wise not to post this and then blast some of us for commenting on it and saying we spend more time talking about BS instead of the issues. But, free country. get down like you live.

What kind of site is freerepublic.com?

It's a very far-right message board. They've been pushing the birth certificate story with absolutely nothing real to substantiate it.

Edited September 23, 200817 yr by ReddFoxx

Who called you out personally?

You were the first person to post that "Lipstick" stuff, and then you got mad when people commented on it, blasting people for not being on the issues. Now, Wales and others ahve said that this was debunked, and you insist that this is news. And you also say that JM is not being sued, therefore it isn't as important as posting this about Obama.

I'm just saying that it may be wise not to post this and then blast some of us for commenting on it and saying we spend more time talking about BS instead of the issues. But, free country. get down like you live.

I got mad when posters started commenting on ME, and not the issues...I really do not think that I am a relevant topic for this thread.

Your last two posts Roman, have been about me...not the issues...Do you see what I am saying?

Edited September 23, 200817 yr by Casey008