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Barack Obama Elected President!

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This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

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What is so ridiculous about all of this is that Palin and company knew this was going to happen... they knew the story would be pumped in the media... That tells me they know nothing will come of it. Why push forth as VP nominee if you KNOW you've done something, and in recent history, that could blow up right before the election or, worse, just months into your new term.

A thief knows if he gets caught that he might have to spend time in prison and the might is contingent upon how well his lawyer is able to work the system. Maybe Palin has nothing to hide or maybe she thought that she would be able to use her influence in the state to fix it, or maybe she's counting on McCain's people to fix it. She has no qualms about getting up and repeating lies about things that can be easily verified so there's no reason to believe that she wouldn't think this could just go away if certain forces backing her are willing to make it go away.

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A thief knows if he gets caught that he might have to spend time in prison and the might is contingent upon how well his lawyer is able to work the system. Maybe Palin has nothing to hide or maybe she thought that she would be able to use her influence in the state to fix it, or maybe she's counting on McCain's people to fix it. She has no qualms about getting up and repeating lies about things that can be easily verified so there's no reason to believe that she wouldn't think this could just go away if certain forces backing her are willing to make it go away.

Doesn't seem like there is no change at all between how SP handles her business and how GWB & DC handle theirs? She was cooperating before she got the VP slot, and now yhe investigation hits a stone wall. Now it makes it seem like you have something to hide because you won't do the right thing.

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How is that obvious here?

It was stated in the article that trips to Washington to meet with state representatives on issues was routine. Of course Monegan would say it was to lobby and that everyone knew that was the purpose of the trip... Does it really stretch the imagination to think that this guy MIGHT be lying? Honestly...

What is so ridiculous about all of this is that Palin and company knew this was going to happen... they knew the story would be pumped in the media... That tells me they know nothing will come of it. Why push forth as VP nominee if you KNOW you've done something, and in recent history, that could blow up right before the election or, worse, just months into your new term.

Come on... We've seen this sort of thing play out before -- and just recently in the Bush White House. Nothing has come of that nonsense... nothing will come from this, either. It serves only as great drama, giving partisans something to blow up on message boards like this.

It is obvious here because the only people that can authorize expenditure in state funds are those who are given authority. Had the COS not been given authority, then the travel could not have been approved. As far as pushing forth as VP nominee, it's because she thinks if he gets elected, it will all go away. She originally asked for the investigation, said she welcomed the investigation and fully participated in the investigation until she was nominated as McCain's running mate. Gov. Palin is ambitious. No problem there, what politician is not? McCain knew about the investigation when he appointed her. Instead of taking the high road and saying let's cooperate fully, ask for an immediate hearing and put this behind us, the McCain/Palin ticket took the wrong approach. They elected to try to avoid scandal. Instead of avoiding a scandal, they have created one.

Now, do you really want to compare this to what has happened in the Bush White House? It's very much like the Bush WH actually. They are attempting to ignore the will of the legislature (A GOP legislature in Alaska, I might add) and they are trying assert some false power of the executive.

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I expect nothing of Condi, to be honest. I wasn't terribly interested at the time in what she was or wasn't doing, particularly as it relates to her personal reactions to Hurricane Katrina. As for my expectations of Roman? I have none there, either. People are people... public or private... I have up expectations a long time ago.

I suppose I had expectations that Mayor Ray Nagin and former Governor Kathleen Blanco could have been more competetent, but those hopes were shattered when they did their best to avoid repercussions for their failures while passing the buck on to others... But that's another post for another time. :D

And as far as your contribution, Jess... the amount doesn't matter... the fact that you did makes a world of difference! :)

Condi, in my opinion had nothing to do with Katrina. I disagree with Roman on that. However, I also think saying that he is a hypocrite because he holds a public official to a high standard of accountability is not fair. There is a difference between accountability for him and for Secretary Rice. You know, saying it was the Mayor and the Gov and that there was not shortcoming on the part of the administration or vice versa makes us what we condemn: Putting partisan interests above what is good for the people. Until the National Guard General came to New Orleans, it was a mess. He was the hero. The White House, the governor and the mayor all made a mess of it. None of them are innocent.

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Doesn't seem like there is no change at all between how SP handles her business and how GWB & DC handle theirs? She was cooperating before she got the VP slot, and now yhe investigation hits a stone wall. Now it makes it seem like you have something to hide because you won't do the right thing.

Seems as if the problem is consistent amongst administrations, eh Roman?

I recall perjury being acceptable prior to GWB & DC... Why do you suddenly frown upon it?

It is obvious here because the only people that can authorize expenditure in state funds are those who are given authority. Had the COS not been given authority, then the travel could not have been approved. As far as pushing forth as VP nominee, it's because she thinks if he gets elected, it will all go away. She originally asked for the investigation, said she welcomed the investigation and fully participated in the investigation until she was nominated as McCain's running mate. Gov. Palin is ambitious. No problem there, what politician is not? McCain knew about the investigation when he appointed her. Instead of taking the high road and saying let's cooperate fully, ask for an immediate hearing and put this behind us, the McCain/Palin ticket took the wrong approach. They elected to try to avoid scandal. Instead of avoiding a scandal, they have created one.

Now, do you really want to compare this to what has happened in the Bush White House? It's very much like the Bush WH actually. They are attempting to ignore the will of the legislature (A GOP legislature in Alaska, I might add) and they are trying assert some false power of the executive.

Sounds like a nice standard set by the Clinton Administration has carried over... Nice to see some continuity in these things over the years...

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Condi, in my opinion had nothing to do with Katrina. I disagree with Roman on that. However, I also think saying that he is a hypocrite because he holds a public official to a high standard of accountability is not fair. There is a difference between accountability for him and for Secretary Rice. You know, saying it was the Mayor and the Gov and that there was not shortcoming on the part of the administration or vice versa makes us what we condemn: Putting partisan interests above what is good for the people. Until the National Guard General came to New Orleans, it was a mess. He was the hero. The White House, the governor and the mayor all made a mess of it. None of them are innocent.

Let me clear this up once and for all.

I KNOW she didn't have anything to do with Katrina. What I am saying is that the look of what she was doing, even though she wasn't responsible, was not good at all.

I hope that clears it up. :)

Seems as if the problem is consistent amongst administrations, eh Roman?

I recall perjury being acceptable prior to GWB & DC... Why do you suddenly frown upon it?

Sounds like a nice standard set by the Clinton Administration has carried over... Nice to see some continuity in these things over the years...

Oh, I'm sorry. You just sounded like you knew what I was thinking before GWB & DC got into office.

Didn't know you could read minds. Great talent. You should use that to make some money. :D

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/20/m...ienced-debater/

McCain Camp argues that a loose debate format could leave Sarah Palin vulnerable as a relatively inexperienced debater

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Guess again who's to blame for U.S. mortgage meltdown

Analysts point not to greed, but to social activist politics

A New York Times article from Sept. 1999 states that Fannie Mae had been under increasing pressure from the Clinton administration to expand mortgage loans among low- and moderate-income people and that the corporation loosened its lending requirements to comply.

An ominous paragraph of the article reads, "In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980s."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=...mp;pageId=75717

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Didn't know you could read minds. Great talent. You should use that to make some money. :D

Why, Roman, I do quite well without utilizing my renowned psychic powers. Only occasionally do I rely on them... and then -- but only then -- for something greater than our own self interests.

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Obama ad goes to war with abortion survivor

Video slams woman for 'despicable lie'

In the increasing flurry of this election's negative political ads, the Barack Obama campaign produced a TV commercial that not only attacks Republican rival John McCain, but also takes aim at an unusual target: a 31-year-old woman who was born alive after her mother's botched abortion.

Obama's commercial predictably takes shots at the GOP campaign, calling John McCain's ads "the sleaziest ever, truly vile." But when the screen shows clips of abortion survivor Gianna Jessen and the ad she made asking Obama to reverse his stance on born alive infant protection legislation, the Obama ad calls Jessen's appeal "a despicable lie."

"It is despicable, repulsive and beneath contempt that Barack Obama would attack Gianna Jessen," says Jill Stanek, a pro-life columnist who testified before Congress in support of the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act, in a statement on Jessen's website. "She is a courageous abortion survivor and living miracle who would not be with us today if Obama's policies had been in place when she was born."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=...mp;pageId=75788

Towards the bottom of the article is another verified Obama LIE, documented for all to consider...

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http://mediamatters.org/items/200809170018?f=h_latest

Politico's Martin uncritically reported false claim that "Obama opposed legislation that ... would protect legal protection to babies outside the womb"

Why, Roman, I do quite well without utilizing my renowned psychic powers. Only occasionally do I rely on them... and then -- but only then -- for something greater than our own self interests.

Then why are you wasting your time posting here?

You should be out changing the planet for all that is good and decent.

Good luck! :lol:

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I wouldn't be surprised if this actually happened. :lol:

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I saw that. It was hilarious. Yes, I think that is what happens too. :lol: :lol:

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