Could you explain what a community organizer is to all of us that "aren't that much smarter"?

I can assure that John McCain knows what the issues are.

I could explain but I am not going to since the point of my post wasn't the definition of a community organizer. The point of my post is that people should be smart enough not to mock or laugh at or even attempt to compare two positions if they clearly do not know what one of them is. Your defense of Palin's statement is that she does not know what a community organizer is....therefore it's okay for her to negate the work of one since ignorance justifies it.....now if that's not what you're saying my point becomes moot. If she in fact does know what a community organizer is then she was mocking something that is of significance to many people.

If you are that curious about what you're defending Palin on then you will find out for yourself....and no, I'm not telling you what to do....I'm trying to employ a little logic in that if a person wants to know something, he/she will make every effort to find out about it.

It makes no difference if John McCain knows what the issues are when he chooses not to talk about them. It's like saying that Jane Smith has the cure to cancer.....if she's not talking then her knowledge isn't put to good use or any sort of use for that matter.

Yes, please, someone step up. I'm so tired of anytime someone disagrees with Casey hearing Casey play martyr.

Maybe because of this post. ^.. Why are you back tracking now on your name calling?

Imaginary slights? Example??

I post about the issues in this election. I dont tend to single out other posters (unless they have singled me out first). And I am not shy in letting it known that this is not the purpose of the thread. I just hope you realize that there are undecided voters that read this thread. When the see the behavior of Obama supporters I can only imagine it does not help your cause...

The topic in your mind is to complain about me "crying" or put down McCain? I haven't seen a positive post about Obama in days...You guys are on the offensive...Are things so bleak with the Obama campaign that you cant support his cause anymore? Thats what it would seem, because you would rather attack posters that disagree with you.

I could explain but I am not going to since the point of my post wasn't the definition of a community organizer. The point of my post is that people should be smart enough not to mock or laugh at or even attempt to compare two positions if they clearly do not know what one of them is. Your defense of Palin's statement is that she does not know what a community organizer is....therefore it's okay for her to negate the work of one since ignorance justifies it.....now if that's not what you're saying my point becomes moot. If she in fact does know what a community organizer is then she was mocking something that is of significance to many people.

If you are that curious about what you're defending Palin on then you will find out for yourself....and no, I'm not telling you what to do....I'm trying to employ a little logic in that if a person wants to know something, he/she will make every effort to find out about it.

It makes no difference if John McCain knows what the issues are when he chooses not to talk about them. It's like saying that Jane Smith has the cure to cancer.....if she's not talking then her knowledge isn't put to good use or any sort of use for that matter.

I have tried to look it up. There is no clear definition, (its not in websters and wikipedia's definition is very very broad) which has lead me to ask Obama supporters that seem to be very passionate about the work of community organizers. Funny to me that even they cant define it.

I have learned that Obama and Jesus were community organizers...Thats about it..

What are you basing this comment on? (McCain doesn't talk about issues?)

Wales, from what I have heard from you, you like to limit your news on the election to liberal blogs and MSNBC. Of course, they will not talk about McCain on issues..If you looked to more of a balanced source of information for McCain talking on issues you would find some.

I have seen McCain constantly talking about issues..more so than not...He talked about issues on the View yesterday. At every campaign rally he talks about issues

Edited September 13, 200817 yr by Casey008

I really do think that Obama needs to stop campaigning against Palin and focus more of his effort on McCain. He is running for President against McCain, not Palin. Personally, I think Biden's record speaks for itself. If Obama is elected, Hillary will have a very nice cabinet seat with her name on it. She doesn't need to be vice President, she has already run the White House for 8 years.

I don't think Obama is campaigning against Palin. I thinik the media gives the perception that he is since that's their major focus and they only care about any snippet that supports their fascination.

Wales, it was pathetic that even after being told what the Bush Doctrine was, she gave a rehearsed answer that could have been applied to a question about Bush bird-hunting.

The issue for me isn't whether Palin can memorize a bunch of points.....can she understand them? She doesn't need to know everything under the sun and I'm sure she's capable of learning. She should enter the office with more than a basic level of some key issues and if she doesn't know certain things now that she should know on day one, then I don't see her cramming them all in before election day. She probably responded to most of his questions that way. Her response to the earmark question was convoluted and not much of a response. Earmarks are earmarks whether they are in the light of day or whatever nonsense she was spouting off.

I don't know if this has been posted already but this is a Newsweek article on how members of the GOP are using the ID law to keep people from voting in several states under the pretext of voter fraud, which isn't an individual voting problem. The Democrats should start launching programs to get these types of voters ID cards so that they don't face this problem in the future......and/or they should revisit the process.

I forgot to include the link:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/158392/page/1

Edited September 13, 200817 yr by Wales2004

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Edited September 13, 200817 yr by Casey008

Casey is there a reason you think I was speaking of you? The only possible reason you could think that is because perhaps you cry every time someone disagrees with you and yell unfair, or perhaps because you threaten to quit posting once a day because your feelings get hurt (of course you never follow through and generally come back within the hour or day at the most) or perhaps because you post more about imaginary slights than you do about the topic. I can not think of any other reason you would assume that post referred to you.

You said Casey plays Martyr in about 5 posts above the "martyr is in full form tonight" comment...Are you denying that?

If I am a martyr I am going to call you the lead predator...What's up predator?? Jessanator...Obamanator..hmm I cant decide..

Edited September 13, 200817 yr by Casey008

I have tried to look it up. There is no clear definition, (its not in websters and wikipedia's definition is very very broad) which has lead me to ask Obama supporters that seem to be very passionate about the work of community organizers. Funny to me that even they cant define it.

I have learned that Obama and Jesus were community organizers...Thats about it..

Be advised that I'm not going to get into this defense of anything Obama game with you. Look up the video clip of Obama's bio that was shown at the DNC....that will illustrate for you what a community organizer does.

Someone previously took the time to explain it. The problem that I see with you is that when you don't agree with something then you mock it and you love to say how it's funny that Obama supporters can't do this or that in response to whatever you're asking. I don't think the discussion on this board focuses around pleashing you with their responses.

You may feel people are being rude to you but for the most part it is with provocation on your part. And you're not setting a good example either with remarks like this.

I went back on my decision to post with you after you had been snide with me because I wanted to do the right thing. I would still like to do the right thing and I now know the right thing to do is to ignore you completely. I don't mind having a civil debate/discussion with someone with whom I may or may not disagree but when the person takes on this role as victim it takes the joy out of it. What I get out of your posts is that it's okay for you to provoke since you're doing it under the guise of getting to the truth but when people respond then they're being rude, etc. Before you keep casting stones you should look at yourself as well.

Good Luck with all that.

It scares me that she didn't know what the Bush Doctrine was.

Back to the issues, which the Obamanator cant seem to do.....

Charlie Gibson was wrong on the Bush Doctrine. I think he was mad because Sarah called him "Charlie"..he is supposed to "Charles" now that he is the evening anchor..

Gibson's Bush Doctrine Gaffe

Be advised that I'm not going to get into this defense of anything Obama game with you. Look up the video clip of Obama's bio that was shown at the DNC....that will illustrate for you what a community organizer does.

Someone previously took the time to explain it. The problem that I see with you is that when you don't agree with something then you mock it and you love to say how it's funny that Obama supporters can't do this or that in response to whatever you're asking. I don't think the discussion on this board focuses around pleashing you with their responses.

You may feel people are being rude to you but for the most part it is with provocation on your part. And you're not setting a good example either with remarks like this.

I went back on my decision to post with you after you had been snide with me because I wanted to do the right thing. I would still like to do the right thing and I now know the right thing to do is to ignore you completely. I don't mind having a civil debate/discussion with someone with whom I may or may not disagree but when the person takes on this role as victim it takes the joy out of it. What I get out of your posts is that it's okay for you to provoke since you're doing it under the guise of getting to the truth but when people respond then they're being rude, etc. Before you keep casting stones you should look at yourself as well.

Good Luck with all that.

You are very snide with me in almost every post ..(you have pointed out several times in the past that you dont like the way I answer your questions..) I turn it into a debate of the parties...I didn't answer your question according to your guidelines....if you want to talk about provocation. You sit very high on your soap box...How have I mocked anything??? The only reason that I continue to ask the same question is because NO ONE answers it. Then I am accused of provocation.

Anyone else want to argue with me today? Lets get it over with!

Let's just talk about THE ISSUES...I am tired about everyone's perception of the way I argue.....If you dont agree with the way I ask questions...then dont respond to me..

Ignore away Wales..I couldn't care less...continue to post your views of McCain with no recourse...and continue to support Obama without having to defend him...

Edited September 13, 200817 yr by Casey008

The week in review: A bad one for Obama.

Fresh off the "Lipstick on a Pig" debacle and Joe Biden's "shoulda picked Hillary instead" comment, Barrack ended the week with a political ad making fun of McCain not knowing how to send an email... Again, a foot in the mouth moment for Obama. The Boston Globe reported eight years ago:

McCain’s severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes.

Ha-ha-he-he... Let's make fun of the cripple! Ha-ha-he-he...

Seriously, I absolutely agree with the concerns raised earlier here about the people running Obama's campaign. An ad complaining about McCain's lack of internet savvy? It may not be intended as an ageist attack, but it certainly comes off that way and, as lots of women are pissed off over the treatment of Palin by media (Charlie Gibson, anyone?), the elderly will respond the same way should the Obama campaign continue to make McCain's age an issue.

I was emailed an interesting comparison this morning of Charlie Gibson's interview questions to Sarah Palin and Barrack Obama...

Questions asked of Obama:

How does it feel to break a glass ceiling?

How does it feel to “win”?

How does your family feel about your “winning” breaking a glass ceiling?

Who will be your VP?

Should you choose Hillary Clinton as VP?

Will you accept public finance?

What issues is your campaign about?

Will you visit Iraq?

Will you debate McCain at a town hall?

What did you think of your competitor’s [Clinton] speech?

Questions asked of Palin:

Do you have enough qualifications for the job you’re seeking? Specifically have you visited foreign countries and met foreign leaders?

Aren’t you conceited to be seeking this high level job?

Questions about foreign policy

-territorial integrity of Georgia

-allowing Georgia and Ukraine to be members of NATO

-NATO treaty

-Iranian nuclear threat

-what to do if Israel attacks Iran

-Al Qaeda motivations

-the Bush Doctrine

-attacking terrorists harbored by Pakistan

Is America fighting a holy war? [misquoted Palin]

Okay, so... WHY? So, I know that McCain going on ABC's "The View" is like immersing himself into a tank of piranhas, but there is certainly a glimmer of hope that a candidate's interview with the news division would yield questioning of a tone matching that given to the opposition. I actually thought Charlie was better than that. I was reading posts on an industry message board I sometimes visit (broadcast tv journalists and other industry professionals) and the general consensus was the interview was badly edited... nowhere close to network broadcast standards... and that Charlie's demeanor was ridiculously authoritarian.

Instead of tolerating this sort of thing, I think candidate's should take on the interviewer and call them on their foolishness... Would have been the headline of the entire dreary interview.

The week in review: A bad one for Obama.

Fresh off the "Lipstick on a Pig" debacle and Joe Biden's "shoulda picked Hillary instead" comment, Barrack ended the week with a political ad making fun of McCain not knowing how to send an email... Again, a foot in the mouth moment for Obama. The Boston Globe reported eight years ago:

McCain’s severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes.

Ha-ha-he-he... Let's make fun of the cripple! Ha-ha-he-he...

Seriously, I absolutely agree with the concerns raised earlier here about the people running Obama's campaign. An ad complaining about McCain's lack of internet savvy? It may not be intended as an ageist attack, but it certainly comes off that way and, as lots of women are pissed off over the treatment of Palin by media (Charlie Gibson, anyone?), the elderly will respond the same way should the Obama campaign continue to make McCain's age an issue.

LOL! Thats what I would expect from a desperate campaign. I thought the Obama camp would be able to ride out the McCain surge with level heads. They seem to be in panic mode now. I think it is only making things worse for them.

I wish everyone whether it be the media, people that post here, both campaigns, and voters would just calm down and relax. This is important, we are picking the leader of the free world here. This should be about the issues (for the billionth time). It shouldn't matter that McCain cant come his hair, Obama thinks Palin is a pig, or Bristol is pregnant..

I was emailed an interesting comparison this morning of Charlie Gibson's interview questions to Sarah Palin and Barrack Obama...

Questions asked of Obama:

How does it feel to break a glass ceiling?

How does it feel to “win”?

How does your family feel about your “winning” breaking a glass ceiling?

Who will be your VP?

Should you choose Hillary Clinton as VP?

Will you accept public finance?

What issues is your campaign about?

Will you visit Iraq?

Will you debate McCain at a town hall?

What did you think of your competitor’s [Clinton] speech?

Questions asked of Palin:

Do you have enough qualifications for the job you’re seeking? Specifically have you visited foreign countries and met foreign leaders?

Aren’t you conceited to be seeking this high level job?

Questions about foreign policy

-territorial integrity of Georgia

-allowing Georgia and Ukraine to be members of NATO

-NATO treaty

-Iranian nuclear threat

-what to do if Israel attacks Iran

-Al Qaeda motivations

-the Bush Doctrine

-attacking terrorists harbored by Pakistan

Is America fighting a holy war? [misquoted Palin]

Okay, so... WHY? So, I know that McCain going on ABC's "The View" is like immersing himself into a tank of piranhas, but there is certainly a glimmer of hope that a candidate's interview with the news division would yield questioning of a tone matching that given to the opposition. I actually thought Charlie was better than that. I was reading posts on an industry message board I sometimes visit (broadcast tv journalists and other industry professionals) and the general consensus was the interview was badly edited... nowhere close to network broadcast standards... and that Charlie's demeanor was ridiculously authoritarian.

Instead of tolerating this sort of thing, I think candidate's should take on the interviewer and call them on their foolishness... Would have been the headline of the entire dreary interview.

Charlie made me nervous....it looked more like he was a tough boss giving a job interview, than fair journalism. I think Bill O'Reily treated BO better than Gibson treated Palin...

Edited September 13, 200817 yr by Casey008

That was a very interesting article. I still have serious reservations about the people Obama has running his campaign. They just don't seem capable of dealing with problems. I do think the race is tightening. When you look at polls, McCain really did not get any bigger bounce out of his convention than Obama got out of his. However, Obama's campaign just seems a little slow to respond.

When Obama said he didn't have anyone doing opposition research on Palin, I thought why not? Does anyone believe that the Republicans don't do opposition research? Come on.

I think the responses are a little slower fro the Obama camp, because they have to be careful how they phrase things, so they don't give the media or the McCain campaign fodder. I also thing it's better if the Obama campaign stays somewhat above the muck and let's the McCain campaign do all the mudslinging, as they've been doing since the convention. All we've heard for the Republican ticket is attacks and barely anything positive and I think that plays well for Obama.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/12/d...-for-president/

Debate Flashback: McCain blasts Mayors and Governors as unprepared for President

Oops!

I was emailed an interesting comparison this morning of Charlie Gibson's interview questions to Sarah Palin and Barrack Obama...

Questions asked of Obama:

How does it feel to break a glass ceiling?

How does it feel to “win”?

How does your family feel about your “winning” breaking a glass ceiling?

Who will be your VP?

Should you choose Hillary Clinton as VP?

Will you accept public finance?

What issues is your campaign about?

Will you visit Iraq?

Will you debate McCain at a town hall?

What did you think of your competitor’s [Clinton] speech?

Questions asked of Palin:

Do you have enough qualifications for the job you’re seeking? Specifically have you visited foreign countries and met foreign leaders?

Aren’t you conceited to be seeking this high level job?

Questions about foreign policy

-territorial integrity of Georgia

-allowing Georgia and Ukraine to be members of NATO

-NATO treaty

-Iranian nuclear threat

-what to do if Israel attacks Iran

-Al Qaeda motivations

-the Bush Doctrine

-attacking terrorists harbored by Pakistan

Is America fighting a holy war? [misquoted Palin]

Okay, so... WHY? So, I know that McCain going on ABC's "The View" is like immersing himself into a tank of piranhas, but there is certainly a glimmer of hope that a candidate's interview with the news division would yield questioning of a tone matching that given to the opposition. I actually thought Charlie was better than that. I was reading posts on an industry message board I sometimes visit (broadcast tv journalists and other industry professionals) and the general consensus was the interview was badly edited... nowhere close to network broadcast standards... and that Charlie's demeanor was ridiculously authoritarian.

Instead of tolerating this sort of thing, I think candidate's should take on the interviewer and call them on their foolishness... Would have been the headline of the entire dreary interview.

I don't see anything unfair that he asked Sarah Palin. The difference is, Obama has been in the Senate and sat on the Foreign Relations committee, he has a good grasp on issues of foreign affairs, Palin hasn't had any sort of real experience with that, so naturally she would be asked more questions on foreign affairs.

Edited September 13, 200817 yr by ReddFoxx