I think the lies should be addressed and I'd agree that you can't rely on voters figuring out all the lies. I don't want to see both parties running the same style campaign as McCain though. One side of sleaze is one side too many. I don't know how McCain even looks at himself knowing he climbed into bed with the same guy that ran the McCain has a black baby campaign against him. He really needs to drown his deceit and the slime.

It takes a special person to get into politics without selling his/her soul.

I can't understand that either. They railroaded McCain in 2000 and dragged him through the dirt. It just doesn't make any sense to me that he would look to them for help. I think it shows that he will do anything he can to get elected.

They can't run on the issues. It's as simple as that. So they will play up every little gaffe (the Dems has to scrutinize everything very closely) to spin it to McCain. Unbelievable.

More Troopergate Revalations.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/10/pal...tion/index.html

That's just incredible. I wonder if she were a Democrat what would be the media response?

And a couple of observations. I was having lunch with some friends yesterday and the subject of the election came up. One of my dear friends, whom I love very much, has never been one to get too involved in politics.. but she does vote. The problem is, her vote is easily swayed by the propaganda like this lipstick bullshit. Generally, she's very smart but if she can be swayed by this stuff, anyone can.

She said she didn't know who she was going to vote for, but if Obama got it he was going to appeal the right to bear arms and guns would be illegal. I had to laugh! Her boyfriend and his father feel this same way. She then said she "saw it on a bulletin board". I asked her where....and she said.....at a gun show!!! I couldn't believe it. So I did inform her that when Clinton was the Prez, the only gun laws he got through was the Brady Bill that effectively got assault rifles off the street. And they should be. There is no reason to have an AK-47 in your house. You certainly aren't going to go hunting with it. The only purpose for those weapons is to kill.....people.

And a big issue here in Florida is adoption and foster care for gay people. Not sure if you all are aware, but thanks to the Orange Juice queen Anita Bryant, gays and lesbians were outlawed from adopting or being foster parents. She lead the way on this in the 70s. Well, there's some good news on that here:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/po/20080910/co_po/...nconstitutional

What are y'alls thoughts on these issues?

No surprise here. The Repubs are trying to paint Obama as someone whose "values" fall outside the mainstream. I am so very very sick of this faux issue "values"!

Ad on sex education distorts Obama policy

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26649779/

TIME: Sarah Palin's Myth of America

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/...ite-cnn-partner

I'm going to skip politics today.

Edited September 11, 200817 yr by Casey008

I can't understand that either. They railroaded McCain in 2000 and dragged him through the dirt. It just doesn't make any sense to me that he would look to them for help. I think it shows that he will do anything he can to get elected.

They can't run on the issues. It's as simple as that. So they will play up every little gaffe (the Dems has to scrutinize everything very closely) to spin it to McCain. Unbelievable.

In the MSNBC article to which Roman posted a link yesterday, Howard Fineman said that Obama should have taken McCain up on his townhall meetings request because it would have given Obama the opportunity to respond to McCain's ad. Well, as it turns out, the reason McCain is running those types of ads is as punishment for Obama not going with his townhall meetings, or so he implies. He amazingly tries to make out as if dirty campaigns are such a terrible thing (one wouldn't guess that he was indeed running one) and how it all could have been avoided if Sen. Obama had agreed to townhall meetings.

No surprise here. The Repubs are trying to paint Obama as someone whose "values" fall outside the mainstream. I am so very very sick of this faux issue "values"!

Ad on sex education distorts Obama policy

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26649779/

When wanting to educate youngsters on what constitutes inappropriate touching becomes a perverse thing and you essentially try to paint someone as akin to a pedophile because of it, then there isn't much to be said. He's a foreign, exotic, sexist pedophile......not one of us.....but they can't run the he's got a black baby ad.....

When wanting to educate youngsters on what constitutes inappropriate touching becomes a perverse thing and you essentially try to paint someone as akin to a pedophile because of it, then there isn't much to be said. He's a foreign, exotic, sexist pedophile......not one of us.....but they can't run the he's got a black baby ad.....

I hear ya.

Wales, Roman....I don't know. Is it me or is the tide turning, much like in 2000 and 2004? I'm just getting a bad feeling about this. When the issues don't get discussed by the MSM (on which most of Americans agree with Democrats) and the campaign is reduced to sound bites, you know what that means.

I hear ya.

Wales, Roman....I don't know. Is it me or is the tide turning, much like in 2000 and 2004? I'm just getting a bad feeling about this. When the issues don't get discussed by the MSM (on which most of Americans agree with Democrats) and the campaign is reduced to sound bites, you know what that means.

This election is so stupid and the fact that the American people buy so much of it is pathetic. The lipstick remark should have sent signals about the campaign. It's not only McCain's sorry campaign, but also this election is really reflecting poorly on American electoral institutions, particularly the media. The obsession with Palin is so media-driven. I was stunned that CNN actually did something on her landing in Alaska. WTF?

Biden has a child going to Iraq. Are they going to cover that? Probably not. It is really very said.

I'm going to skip politics today.

The way the media is covering this election, I wouldn't be surprised if some folks actually forgot what today was

I'm going to skip politics today.

OMG Casey! The picture of that American Flag is heartbreaking. It literally brings tears to my eyes as I think back, like I do every year, to where I was and what I was doing when I heard the news of the attacks. Some wounds never heal.

God Bless those victims and their families.

The way the media is covering this election, I wouldn't be surprised if some folks actually forgot what today was

Adam, some did.

I watch Morning Joe this AM, and you would think it was a bash session on how Obama responded to McCain and how great McCain's campaign is over the fact of what day it is. Mike Barnicle actually said Obama did not respond forcefully enough.

Sad. Very sad.

I think more people are going to be VERY surprised by the outcome on November 4th. No one is talking about the youg vote. Obama has really reached out to younger voters. He is their champion. If they turn out in droves........

McCain will not be happy.

This election is so stupid and the fact that the American people buy so much of it is pathetic. The lipstick remark should have sent signals about the campaign. It's not only McCain's sorry campaign, but also this election is really reflecting poorly on American electoral institutions, particularly the media. The obsession with Palin is so media-driven. I was stunned that CNN actually did something on her landing in Alaska. WTF?

Biden has a child going to Iraq. Are they going to cover that? Probably not. It is really very said.

Who is Biden??? It seems that the media has forgotten about him.....

They were sure to mention that SP's son is going to Iraq though. I've heard that quite a few times.

This election is so stupid and the fact that the American people buy so much of it is pathetic. The lipstick remark should have sent signals about the campaign. It's not only McCain's sorry campaign, but also this election is really reflecting poorly on American electoral institutions, particularly the media. The obsession with Palin is so media-driven. I was stunned that CNN actually did something on her landing in Alaska. WTF?

Biden has a child going to Iraq. Are they going to cover that? Probably not. It is really very said.

They are appealing to certain voter's instincts. They know some people base their vote off of stuff like this. No informed opinion on the issues, but comments that have nothing to do with campaigning.

And the MSM have dropped the ball. Instead of the tv media demanding to know why their is no discussion of plans from the McCain campaign, they feed into this mess.

Adam, some did.

I watch Morning Joe this AM, and you would think it was a bash session on how Obama responded to McCain and how great McCain's campaign is over the fact of what day it is. Mike Barnicle actually said Obama did not respond forcefully enough.

Sad. Very sad.

I think more people are going to be VERY surprised by the outcome on November 4th. No one is talking about the youg vote. Obama has really reached out to younger voters. He is their champion. If they turn out in droves........

McCain will not be happy.

IA, Roman. That's something that gives me hope.

She was referring to the fact that the people in 5 or 6 states will decide the election, including yours.

I suppose that's how it always is, though. Like alluded to in the state by state discussion, democrats from Texas and Utah can stay home. And republicans from Illinois and California can do the same. Doesn't matter.

And what I was saying was that Obama has a much better chance than many outside of Missouri think. HRC was slated to win Missouri during the primaries, and was also polling about the same amount thatMcCain is polling at now.

She lost Missouri.