Barack Obama Elected President!

[Roman]

The Good Doctor didn't say Obama could not be questioned....

But I seem to recall a certain Republican candidate who has still not fired Charles Black for those comments he made in that interview.

So.......I'll choose questioning a candidate whose top advisor said how good it would be for said campaign IF THE COUNTRY WERE ATTACKED AGAIN over whatever BS that can be thrown at Obama.

[GHJunkie4Life]

Are you kidding me!?

Smear the Clintons? SO you're blaming Hilary's failure on him?

The Clintons did this to themselves. Bill exposed himself for the closet nutjob racist that he is in South Carolina and ever since then has done nothing but yell at the media, bitch about Obama, and whine like a lil baby that his wife's lies aren't convincing people to vote for her.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with asking Obama questions. I welcome them. The truth however is that most of these questions are just bs crap made up in order to force him into a "GOTCHA MOMENT". How about we focus on the issues rather than Obama's dual religious affiliations? How about we talk about the horrible economy rather than Obama's race which should not be a factor.

Ralph Nader is nothing but trash...he wants attention and he's getting it. Too bad its at the expense of his legacy.

I'm so glad the polls show him doing well without Hilary. He doesn't need her, her baggage, or her psychotic sore loser husband. Of course I'm sure she'll do "whatever" it takes to see a Dem in the White House....

And I'm sorry Senator Obama but I won't donate a dime to pay off her enormous debt. That's her own fault and her own problem. If she had had any class she would have dropped out ages ago and avoided that mess. Now she's begging people to pay for her horrible judgment.

Please Hilary get real.

[Ms. Walsh]

I haven't posted on SON in like a year, but anyway....

I actually volunteered for the Clinton campaign from January until June. I went to about a dozen states (includ. Iowa, New Hampshire, Texas, and Pennsylvania). I saw a lot of things: some that I wished I hadn't. Maybe ignorance is actually bliss? Now I feel like I can't trust the Democrats. Most of my campaigning friends are now going to vote for McCain. I'm not ready to throw my support at him. I might just vote Independent. We'll see...

But after the interactions that I had had with Obama volunteers and campaigners in every state I went to, I just cannot support him. We were locked out of caucuses, physically attacked at visibility events, and even had the cops called on us in voting precincts. I know that politics brings out the worst in people, but there were definitely lines crossed.

[Wales2004]

I'm going to agree with the others on the issue of Obama not smearing anyone, although we may have a totally different definition of what smearing is. Specifically on the issue of the Clintons.....they did it to themselves. It was pretty lame of Bill Clinton to accuse Obama of "playing the race card" on him (another one of those stupid statements I dislike), when Bill Clinton is the one who started the fire in the first place then tried to play the victim. Nobody asked him about race or Jesse Jackson when he brought both topics up. Nor did anyone ask Hillary Clinton anything about "hardworking white people" when she said they were going to help her win the nomination. The media barely went after either of them and had CBS not been on some sort of mission with the sniper statement, that lie would have been swept under the rug. Whether you care to admit or not, the candidate that has taken the most heat on not only comments he's made but on comments others associated with him have made, is Barack Obama. He's definitely under more scrutiny than any of the other candidates were and he's being held to a higher standard than has been with the other candidates and than will be with John McCain.

No one is labeled a racist for asking Obama questions. Racism comes into question when people make racially charged statements or innuendos.

The people that are complaining about not being able to criticize or question him for fear they will be labeled racist seem to have their own issues. That's part of a whole other game because why be afraid of being labeled racist if you aren't asking anything racially charged or insinuating anything that's racially divisive.

Isn't the core of this discussion the fact that Ralph Nader made some pretty blunt statements about how black Obama really is and basically associates being black with poverty, et al? Isn't he also suggesting that white people who support Obama are doing it out of some sort of guilt and not because they're employing any level of intelligence in their decision making? Don't people tend to fight back when attacked? Obama could have said something more cutting about Nader and he didn't and someone commented to that effect.

I'm kind of wondering how Nader's attack on Obama gets turned into Obama smearing other people. If he does, are you saying it's okay for Nader to make these sort of comments because Obama smears other candidates? Are you saying it's okay for Nader to make these comments because no one is allowed to say anything about Obama without being called a racist anyway?

[Wales2004]

You've expressed reasons why I would not ever become involved in a campaign unless I was helping a personal friend or family member. From experience, I found out that you see a lot of things you don't want to see when you're on the inisde of certain situations. I bet there are Obama volunteers and supporters that had experiences with Clinton supporters that made them not want to vote for or support Clinton. Who is to say that the candidates that opposed McCain in the primaries didn't have awful experiences with McCain's people or the the people volunteering for the other candidates. Politics is a pretty nasty business.

[Ms. Walsh]

I definitely don't regret doing it. I made a lot of friends, got to meet a lot of important people, and had a chance to see different parts of the United States.

But now I understand why people get turned off by politics. I can't even talk about it anymore. I am so disenchanted by both major political parties. This is my first election, and it's sad that my heart is no longer in it. I honestly no longer care about who wins. All I know is that voting doesn't change anything. The government will keep doing the same things. You just have to take care of your own life and keep living day-by-day.

[Wales2004]

GHJunkie4Life,

I don't want to quote your whole post but while I do think Bill Clinton showed his true colors, I'm not sure that it equals nut job racist. I have a very liberal definition of the word racist though and I don't apply it to people that don't express any contempt for another race. Bill Clinton's belief that Democrats would not nominate a black candidate for President is no different from what some black people believe in terms of the nomination and actual general election. A lot of it comes from years of damage and backwards thinking.

The problem is not so much that either of the Clintons had these thoughts, it's the fact that they lacked the self control to keep it to themselves. I'm guessing that the CBC members that supported them in part shared the same views but were smart enough to not express it publicly.

[David_Vickers]

Kwing, what Ralph Nader said is definitely racist and wrong! Barack Obama did NOT smea the Clintons or McCain. McCain is every thing that Obama has said he is!

Bill Clinton is NOT a racist, that's ludicrous and stupid, and most definitley he's not psychotic. Ralgh Nader is trash true. I used to admire Nader, but sure haven't in the last 8 years or so.

[Ms. Walsh]

idk what exactly you are referring to, but I think you are completely wrong. I'm assuming it's from what happened in SC. The Democrats chose SC to go 4th because it has a high percentage of African American voters. By acknowledging that fact, how does that make you a racist?? Yes, it might be politically incorrect, but he's definitely not a racist. That is slanderous, imo. It's not a political attack: it is PERSONAL. I think these kinds of attacks cause nothing but division. Do you know how many times I was called a racist because I didn't support Obama? Enough to the point where that word has absolutely no meaning to me anymore. That's what's sad.

BTW, all politicians lie. If you are going to vote for the most honest candidate, then you should probably be supporting McCain. jmo.

[Wales2004]

It's great that you don't regret it and you can take it as one of life's lessons.

[Wales2004]

I'm referring to statements Bill Clinton made when asked why it took two Clintons to beat Obama. He basically dismissed Obama's win by saying that Jesse Jackson won SC when he ran. No one asked him about Jesse Jackson. He also said that Obama would be known as the "black candidate" and that if he didn't think Obama would want to be known as the "black candidate" among other questionable things. Then he tried to turn around and blame it all on Obama when he was the one running his mouth. I didn't say he was a racist though.

[Roman]

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/26/po...eground-states/

[Ms. Walsh]

Like I said, it was a politically incorrect statement. I think the media, unfortunately, is to blame for dramatizing the racial divide. CNN has been notorious for "race baiting" since Hurricane Katrina. It's sad that that's what gets ratings, but obviously it worked.

[Wales2004]

In this case I can't put it on the media except to say the obvious in that if they hadn't reported the story that no one would know. But the media didn't dwell on it as they have on other stories and again, they didn't put the words in his mouth. It wasn't just a politically incorrect statement, it stems from a way of thinking that others share. As ugly as it may seem to some, it's part of a political strategy but it didn't work out for the Clintons strategically.

[GHJunkie4Life]

Wales you might be right. I did over react a bit to that guys ridiculous comments.

But I do think Bill Clinton may be racist given his conduct this year. Sorry but the things he's said and done have offended me and no matter what insults kswing and people like him or her want to hurl at me I'm not going to change my mind about him or his wife.

As for divisions....lets ask ourselves who we have to thank for those divisions....

If the truth is told its Hilarys fault.