This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

^^^My god hillary is grasping at straws, she is now listening to Karl Rove, the man responsible for making the idiot that is George the president????

Edited May 19, 200817 yr by EricaKane70

^^^My god hillary is grasping at straws, she is now listening to Karl Rove, the man responsible for making the idiot that is George the president????

Karl Rove would like nothing better than for Hillary to respond as she did. The longer the primary goes on, the better the odds for Bush III (uh McCain). His memo that was "obtained" by ABC was probably trumped up upon the realization that the stronger of the two candidates -- Obama -- is winning the primary.

This is really a very old Rove tactic, leaking either a poll or some other item to generate attention to his point of view. It's interesting how many people "obtain" Rove polls or Rove memos or Rove reports. It really is one of the oldest schemes in the book, and the media allows themselves to be manipulated and used by Rove.

You know, I think sexism and racism have both played a part in this race. I'm attending a conference today focusing on surveys (polls), new technologies for surveys, ect. One of the speakers was from CBS and worked their polls. The speaker pointed out that people don't always tell the truth when asked if they could support an African-American for president or a woman. We all know that, but no one knows how large a percentage won't tell the truth. It's embarrassing. Even with a promise of anonymity, you don't want to tell someone, no I can't vote for the African-American candidate.

In my opinion, people feel more comfortable being sexist than racist. I think society really doesn't tolerate racism, but tends to wink at sexism. Of course, Rush is challenging my beliefs about acceptance of racism. I think, however, you can do sexist comedy routines or drop sexist likes without people getting too upset.

Speaking of weird, how about Huckabee's really bad gun comment. Booooo!

Edited May 19, 200817 yr by Jess

From MSNBC:

Obama to reach delegate milestone Tuesday

Candidate to secure a majority of pledged delegate

updated 52 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Barack Obama will reach a significant milestone Tuesday as he marches toward the Democratic nomination for president — a majority of the pledged delegates won in primaries and caucuses.

Obama will still be short of the overall number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination, unless he were to suddenly receive an avalanche of endorsements from the party and elected officials known as superdelegates. But the Illinois senator's campaign is touting the delegate milestone as a big step in defeating his rival, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

"A clear majority of elected delegates will send an unmistakable message — the people have spoken, and they are ready for change," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe wrote in a memo to supporters Monday.

"As we near victory in one contest, the next challenge is already heating up," Plouffe wrote. "President Bush and Senator McCain have begun coordinating their attacks on Barack Obama in an effort to extend their failed policies for a third term."

Obama picked up the endorsement of Sen. Robert Byrd of West Virginia Monday, less than a week after Clinton overwhelmingly won the state's primary. Byrd is the longest serving member of the U.S. Senate.

Obama has led in pledged delegates since he won the first caucuses in Iowa on Jan. 3. The two candidates stayed close through Super Tuesday, when Democrats voted in 22 states and American Samoa. Obama won 13 more delegates than Clinton that day — out of nearly 1,700 at stake.

Obama built an imposing lead the following two weeks, winning 11 straight contests in states such as Louisiana, Maryland, Washington and Virginia. He led by 161 pledged delegates on Feb. 19, after victories in Wisconsin and Hawaii. The lead has been relatively unchanged ever since as the candidates spent the past three months trading victories.

Obama goes into Tuesday's contests with 1,610.5 pledged delegates won in primaries and caucuses. He needs 17 more to reach a majority of the 3,253 pledged delegates available. Clinton has 1,443.5 pledged delegates, according to the latest tally by The Associated Press.

NBC's national delegate count currently stands at 1444 for Clinton and 1602 for Obama. NBC’s estimated superdelegate count stands at 280 for Clinton and 299 for Obama.

[There are differences in how news organizations count delegates, how they award superdelegates, how they account for states that have held caucuses but have not yet chosen their delegates, and how they project the apportionment of delegates within Congressional districts where the vote was close. The Associated Press and NBC news conduct separate delegate counts.]

Clinton's campaign played down the significance of the milestone, accusing Obama of declaring victory without reaching the required number of overall delegates.

"Premature victory laps and false declarations of victory are unwarranted. Declaring 'mission accomplished' does not make it so," Howard Wolfson, Clinton's communications director, said in a memo to supporters.

Obama has a total of 1,912 delegates overall, including endorsements from superdelegates. Clinton has 1,721, according to the latest AP count.

Obama is a little more than 100 delegates short of the 2,026 needed to clinch the nomination. He cannot make up that ground in the Kentucky and Oregon primaries because of the proportional way in which Democrats award delegates. The two states have a total of 103 delegates at stake Tuesday.

But winning a majority of pledged delegates could help his case with undecided superdelegates, who are free to support whomever they choose at the party's national convention in August. Obama argues that superdelegates should support the candidate who wins the most delegates in the primaries and caucuses. Otherwise, he says, they would be overturning the will of the voters.

Clinton argues that superdelegates should exercise independent judgment.

Her campaign is also trying to change the math by getting the delegates seated from the Michigan and Florida primaries. Clinton won both primaries, but the states had been stripped of their delegates for violating party rules by holding their primaries before Feb. 5.

The Democratic National Committee's rules panel is scheduled to address the issue May 31. If any of the delegates are reinstated, it would increase the number needed to clinch the nomination.

I saw Hillary Clinton today at a campaign rally in Bowling Green, KY. Approximately 4000 people showed up. She's shorter than what she appears on tv. Great speech( approximately 30 minutes+), she shook hands, gave autographs & took pics with a few people. Didn't get to get close enough to get an up close pic or shake hands or get her autograph, but I'm so glad I went to the rally. My mom and (get this) Republican dad went with me (My dad likes Hillary). I could've gone and seen Bill Clinton in Owensboro Friday, but I went to work (if I had it to do over, I'd called in, lol---it said in the newspaper that Bill gave around 500 autographs and shook about that many people's hands as well).

Owensboro, KY, has a great BBQ place.

Anyway back on topic. I watched her speech Sunday in Mayfield (?). It was a very good speech.

Oh Man that picture of Obama in Oregon is something. That crowd is huge. It reminds me of pictures you would see of Robert Kennedy.

I think that picture of the crowd that came to see Obama should guarantee him a win in Oregon...but she can draw that big of a crowd in Kentucky as well

I understand she has a beef with certain members of the media, a segment of which did not treat her all that well.

However.......this is NOT the right course of action, and she may regret this.

From ABC News:

Clinton Not Running to Represent Some People on Television

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ABC News' Eloise Harper reports: In her latest assault against the media, Sen. Hillary Clinton said today in Mayfield, Ky., that she is not running to represent those people on television who keep saying she should quit and that they don’t have faith in democracy.

Cleary irritated that pundits and television personalities have been saying the end is near, Clinton, as she did yesterday, lambasted the media, saying she is not running to represent them as president.

"There are some folks, you can see them on TV every night, who wanted it to be over for me after Iowa, and every time they say it, something funny happens, the voters don't agree," Clinton said. "And so what I'm hopin', what I am hoping is that on Tuesday you're going to send a real message to a lot of those folks who didn't want you to vote, who don't want me to keep fighting for you and fighting for our country."

Clinton continued to say the media was opposed to more democracy in this country.

"And you know what always strikes me as a little bit curious is that most of the folks who are saying 'end it' seem to -- they don't seem to have much faith in democracy. We want more democracy not less democracy. More people involved," she said. "Every one of them always seems to be talkin' at us instead of with us."

Clinton portrayed the media as being out of touch with the common people in the country.

"I would bet every single one of those folks, they’ve got a job -- we can see that, they’ve got good healthcare, we know that," she said. "They can pay whatever the charge is at the gas pump most likely. They can send their child to college."

The New York senator, who has said in the past she is running to be the president for all Americans, said today about the people in media who are counting her out: "I'm not running to represent them. I'm running to fight for you."

Clinton did say earlier in her speech that shipping jobs overseas was "unpatriotic." "we’ve got to take out of our tax code one penny of benefits so there nothing left for any company that moves a job out of Kentucky to a foreign country– that is unpatriotic."

Clinton, as she has for weeks, mentioned her plan for a summer gas tax holiday.

"I've been criticized from the right on this and I’ve been criticized from the left, which always makes me feel like I’m exactly in the right spot," she said.

Clinton continues her swing through Kentucky, making stops across the state on Monday before the primary on Tuesday.

If she says the media is out of touch, I agree. They are not having a backbone about reporting news stories

Alot of that she brought on herself.

Amazing how Obama has to get a backbone and not complain about the media, but Hillary whines and it's a proven fact.

I am not talking about how they respond to the media but the media in general and that is they have become weak kneed since Bush came into office

I think that picture of the crowd that came to see Obama should guarantee him a win in Oregon...but she can draw that big of a crowd in Kentucky as well

Then why hasn't she?

She got no more than 2000 peeps in Kentucky!

I understand she has a beef with certain members of the media, a segment of which did not treat her all that well.

However.......this is NOT the right course of action, and she may regret this.

From ABC News:

Clinton Not Running to Represent Some People on Television

Email

Share May 18, 2008 7:34 PM

ABC News' Eloise Harper reports: In her latest assault against the media, Sen. Hillary Clinton said today in Mayfield, Ky., that she is not running to represent those people on television who keep saying she should quit and that they don’t have faith in democracy.

Cleary irritated that pundits and television personalities have been saying the end is near, Clinton, as she did yesterday, lambasted the media, saying she is not running to represent them as president.

"There are some folks, you can see them on TV every night, who wanted it to be over for me after Iowa, and every time they say it, something funny happens, the voters don't agree," Clinton said. "And so what I'm hopin', what I am hoping is that on Tuesday you're going to send a real message to a lot of those folks who didn't want you to vote, who don't want me to keep fighting for you and fighting for our country."

Clinton continued to say the media was opposed to more democracy in this country.

"And you know what always strikes me as a little bit curious is that most of the folks who are saying 'end it' seem to -- they don't seem to have much faith in democracy. We want more democracy not less democracy. More people involved," she said. "Every one of them always seems to be talkin' at us instead of with us."

Clinton portrayed the media as being out of touch with the common people in the country.

"I would bet every single one of those folks, they’ve got a job -- we can see that, they’ve got good healthcare, we know that," she said. "They can pay whatever the charge is at the gas pump most likely. They can send their child to college."

The New York senator, who has said in the past she is running to be the president for all Americans, said today about the people in media who are counting her out: "I'm not running to represent them. I'm running to fight for you."

Clinton did say earlier in her speech that shipping jobs overseas was "unpatriotic." "we’ve got to take out of our tax code one penny of benefits so there nothing left for any company that moves a job out of Kentucky to a foreign country– that is unpatriotic."

Clinton, as she has for weeks, mentioned her plan for a summer gas tax holiday.

"I've been criticized from the right on this and I’ve been criticized from the left, which always makes me feel like I’m exactly in the right spot," she said.

Clinton continues her swing through Kentucky, making stops across the state on Monday before the primary on Tuesday.

Bill works or have worked for compaines that take US jobs and move themn overseas!

She's losing her freaking mind!

Then why hasn't she?

She got no more than 2000 peeps in Kentucky!

Haven't you considered that the people there are too busy and cannot attend a rally while in Oregon they have enough spare time to be able to go to these events?

Also, Kentucky is more conservative so there are less Democrats there...Oregon is fairly liberal

Bill works or have worked for compaines that take US jobs and move themn overseas!

I think most people have because many companies/corporations move jobs overseas

Edited May 19, 200817 yr by DevotedToAMC

Haven't you considered that the people there are too busy and cannot attend a rally while in Oregon they have enough spare time to be able to go to these events?

Also, Kentucky is more conservative so there are less Democrats there...Oregon is fairly liberal

I think most people have because many companies/corporations move jobs overseas

Devoted,

Did you just say that the people of Oregon are have nothing to do, therefor they have time to go?

Question. How do you know what the people of that state are doing?

Then why hasn't she?

She got no more than 2000 peeps in Kentucky!

Bill works or have worked for compaines that take US jobs and move themn overseas!

She's losing her freaking mind!

And you see that has hardly came up in the media.

And a former president should ahve to explain this as well.

Devoted,

Did you just say that the people of Oregon are have nothing to do, therefor they have time to go?

Question. How do you know what the people of that state are doing?

No what I am saying is they might not be as busy as those in Kentucky so there is more time for them to attend these events. Even on weekends people have stuff to do. Plus, Oregon has more Democrats than Kentucky.

No what I am saying is they might not be as busy as those in Kentucky so there is more time for them to attend these events. Even on weekends people have stuff to do. Plus, Oregon has more Democrats than Kentucky.

Ok, dude.

It's just a possibility