God, what the hell is it about Scott Hamner that makes people fall in love with him? He f-u-c-k-ing sucks!

From Latham's BFF to Maria's close pal, and the last big remnant of the LML era that has yet to be purged from the show, I just don't get it.

Here, I have been inclined to agree. I wonder if it is his TECHNICAL skills. Racina called him a "coordinator" or something...I wonder if that is his talent? Maybe the appeal is all of his "Walton's Mountain" stories that his daddy passed down?

Is Stanley fired? Or still writing for the show?

Doesn't sound like he has too much power though, and I guess they need someone to inform them about crap that went on under LML's reign of terror.

LOL.

Is Stanley fired? Or still writing for the show?

He's still there, but I don't mind him. He's written some very soapy and well-rounded breakdowns. He's the only LML-er that I wouldn't mind staying actually.

Oh, and now that Rauch is on board, Lisa Seidman won't be going anywhere. She's a close friend of his, it seems.

Seidman's dialogue sucks ass...

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Did you all see the little feature called "Who is Maria Arena Bell" in the 9/23 SOD?

I learned a few things:

- MAB's stepfather was a garment manufacturer, and her dad was in garment retail, in LA

- she always wanted to be a novelist

- she was a fiction writing major at Northwestern, where she met alumna Lee Phillip Bell

- she told Lee she had a fashion background, but wanted to be a writer

- Lee said "we're creating 'Rags', set in the fashion industry in LA".

- Here is one quote: "My first meeting with Bill, he said, 'We're about to introduce a new character'. He told me to come up with what this person could be like. My stepdad was an irascible, tough knockoff artist, so I made him into a woman and came up with the character of Sally Spectra. It was hilarious. So my first job was on B&B, shepherding the fashion storylines and I was Brad's writing partner. Bill become my mentor."

- later wrote for Y&R too, which is when she started dating Bill Jr.

- upon marriage and children, she decided to "go back to the kind of writing I wanted to do"...TV development, novel, magazine writing

I knew some, but not all of this. That she created my beloved Sally Spectra elevates her a notch for me.

ETA: She has this to say about her writing collaborators:

"I think Hogan (Sheffer) is terrific...I love working with him. He's a great writer. Hogan's strength is bringing this enthusiasm and fun. I love him and Scott Hamner, who is the other co-head writer and very talented. Scott is a little more conservative than Hogan and I think they both bring a great deal to the show in their own way. This has always been a collaborative medium, so it's good to have those guys."

MAB created SALLY SPECTRA. Well knock me dumbstruck, that's amazing. Definitely raises MAB up in my books...that being said, Sally was as much Darlene Conley's creation as it was MAB or Bill Bell's. MAB created her but Darlene made her work. RIP Darlene, how I miss her.

I'm glad she likes working with Hogan because I think he has REALLY helped the show. He has some great ideas, the problem is getting them onscreen and it would seem that MAB and SH manage to get that done very well. My instinct with SH is that he's very easy to work with and likes working with dynamic people; ego isn't a problem for him, he's OK with being second place all the time. I remember reading an interview with him where he said Joan Collins was the best actor/actress he worked with because she was very involved in the scripts on 'Dynasty' (she edited all her scripts and sent back her rewrites to Ed DeBlasio who was the script editor) and was the only member of the cast who watched her dailies because she always wanted to learn. He also said she had a helluva sense of humor so it stands to reason that he does too.

So essentially, SH still has his job because he's a nice person and as in life nice people usually manage to do rather well. By calling him conservative I have to wonder if perhaps his great 'talent' is coordinating storylines (ie: when the beats should play out, when some stories end and others begin, what stories get prominence and when) or taking HS's ideas and putting them into soap format, just like Carolyn Culliton did for him at ATWT.

MAB created SALLY SPECTRA. Well knock me dumbstruck, that's amazing. Definitely raises MAB up in my books...that being said, Sally was as much Darlene Conley's creation as it was MAB or Bill Bell's. MAB created her but Darlene made her work. RIP Darlene, how I miss her.

I'm glad she likes working with Hogan because I think he has REALLY helped the show. He has some great ideas, the problem is getting them onscreen and it would seem that MAB and SH manage to get that done very well. My instinct with SH is that he's very easy to work with and likes working with dynamic people; ego isn't a problem for him, he's OK with being second place all the time. I remember reading an interview with him where he said Joan Collins was the best actor/actress he worked with because she was very involved in the scripts on 'Dynasty' (she edited all her scripts and sent back her rewrites to Ed DeBlasio who was the script editor) and was the only member of the cast who watched her dailies because she always wanted to learn. He also said she had a helluva sense of humor so it stands to reason that he does too.

So essentially, SH still has his job because he's a nice person and as in life nice people usually manage to do rather well. By calling him conservative I have to wonder if perhaps his great 'talent' is coordinating storylines (ie: when the beats should play out, when some stories end and others begin, what stories get prominence and when) or taking HS's ideas and putting them into soap format, just like Carolyn Culliton did for him at ATWT.

Great analysis/speculation/history.

I just realize that Hogan Sheffer and Scott Hamner, HS SH, form a palindrome of sorts.

If HS has "ideas" and SH "puts them into soap format"...what does MAB do? LOL

It will be interesting to see how Rauch interprets the writing from a production standpoint. Y&R needed a stronger EP for a long time to execute the material that was written, and Rauch is very hands-on. Since it looks like he'll have little no say in storylines, we shouldn't have to worry about him reeking any real tyranny.

And I think it's the other way around, Sheffer and Hamner are the ones interpreting Maria's ideas and "soaping" them up.

The show is reletivley stable at the moment, and much better than it's been for like two years. Call me a insane, but I don't think Rauch will mess anything up, I think stronger producing can only help the written material.

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It will be interesting to see how Rauch interprets the writing from a production standpoint. Y&R needed a stronger EP for a long time to execute the material that was written, and Rauch is very hands-on. Since it looks like he'll have little no say in storylines, we shouldn't have to worry about him reeking any real tyranny.

And I think it's the other way around, Sheffer and Hamner are the ones interpreting Maria's ideas and "soaping" them up.

The show is reletivley stable at the moment, and much better than it's been for like two years. Call me a insane, but I don't think Rauch won't mess anything up, I think stronger producing can only help the written material.

I'm not going to call you insane because if I do...I'll be insane too because I agree, my instincts just say to me "Rauch is NOT going to get tyrannical with the writing"...

Fair enough, it very well could be HS and SH soaping up MAB's ideas...either way, it's clear that SH is working up a lather. HS is the odd man out because he COULD be soaping up MAB's ideas or he could be the one with the ideas that need soaping up and MAB simply approves everything. I guess that's the point of what she said initially: it's a collaborative medium and I'm just happy that I'm enjoying the show and that the writing is stable and enjoyable.

Did you all see the little feature called "Who is Maria Arena Bell" in the 9/23 SOD?

Can wee see this scanned?

Maria Arena Bell created Sally Spectra? Niiiiiice.

Maria Arena Bell created Sally Spectra? Niiiiiice.

Solution: she should quit Genoa City and head for LA. There, Brad can fire Kay Alden and replace her with Maria.

Maria Arena Bell created Sally Spectra? Niiiiiice.

Really? Reaaaaly? Wow.

Really? Reaaaaly? Wow.

Don't get too excited. One thing is to create something that gets a life on its own after it leaves your embrace. She might have "created" it, but it was as much Bill's/Brad's creation as her own.

Solution: she should quit Genoa City and head for LA. There, Brad can fire Kay Alden and replace her with Maria.

I wouldn't be against this at all--in many ways I can says that MAB saved B&B with her creation or at least provided some tools--but then, who knows what hack we'd get to write Y&R?

And I'm not gonna say it about Alden coming back to Y&R, I'm not....

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I wouldn't be against this at all--in many ways I can says that MAB saved B&B with her creation or at least provided some tools--but then, who knows what hack we'd get to write Y&R?

And I'm not gonna say it about Alden coming back to Y&R, I'm not....

B&B is much more her type of soap than Y&R is. Even though she clearly understand the structure of the show, she just cannot give Y&R the X factor Bill Bell used to give it.

MAB is flawed, and shes not the ebst person for the HW spot at Y&R, without doubt....

however, id rather keep her and keep with the show that we ahve now than risk another LML type disator anytime soon.

B&B is much more her type of soap than Y&R is. Even though she clearly understand the structure of the show, she just cannot give Y&R the X factor Bill Bell used to give it.

IA. I really think she would be able to truly pull B&B out of the gutter--her style, her fondness for all that artistic stuff, I think it would look better on B&B. As for Y&R, I really do think we haven't found anyone yet who can give it what Bell gave it....