NothinButAttitude

@DRW50 are rumors true though that Carly was one of Marland's final creations?

That's what I am wondering too. While the McClearly and Kendalls ate up the show the last 4 years, it's still good. From watching and reading recaps on the show around this time, I think the only thing wrong was Jo, Stephanie, & Stu being pushed to supporting characters instead of driving story.

@Cat, Heather was pure trash on that bus ride. She stayed trying to diagnose Kelly & tell her to shut up. Just b/c Heather humps a doctor doesn't mean she knows how to diagnose. I was just glad that Kelly shot Heather's ass down, and Meghan saw Heather for the manipulator she is. Heather's a** got exposed last night. No longer is she fancy pants. She's just as vile and trashy as Trailer Sue. @alwaysAMC, I think we'll get an RHOBH trailer in about 2-3 weeks. Possibly earlier as fans have been nagging Andy on Twitter about it regularly.

RHOC: Did anyone catch Heather tell Vicki "Don't move" in the preview next week? See this is why a Black woman needs to be on this show b/c she'd bust Heather in her sh-t real quick. Her mouth is too reckless for my liking. Also, on WWHL, Trailer Sue revealed that she can lard a** Brianna are real close. See that's why I don't f-ck with that fat a** wench [Briana]. Vicki needs to disown that disloyal wh*re. Ain't no way no child of mine (if I had any) would be buddy buddy with a b*tch that stays trying to bring me down. Ain't no way. And the rumors about Eddie being gay have been here since day one. Tamra needs to cut the bullsh-t. We've all said Eddie was gay for years. Vicki got that rumor from the fans! Shannon denying that David's family has not met the mistress on WWHL is bulls--t. Heather even confirmed they've met her and preferred her over Shannon. Shannon is such a fake a**, lying a**, booze swilling b*tch. Him beating her a** is true too as it is public knowledge. The receipts are all over Twitter. She's such a f-cking liar. Pleather face... ugh! I can't stand that whoville looking broad. Kelly should've reached back there and strangled her on that bus. Plus, Heather made me do the unthinkable ... like giraffe neck a** Meghan! I am so glad that Meghan has been clocking Heather as of late. She has not been here for Heather since Heather berated her about the Glamis accident. I hope she snatched a plug out her a** at the reunion. I am just glad that next week is the finale. Let's get on to the reunion so I can see sh-t popping!

@Cat (re: Miami) That cast should've been the entire cast for s3. They should've never trimmed the cast down like they did. Season 2 was so good b/c of all 8 of those women. According to Wiki, the reunion is only 2 parts. If true, thank God. This season does not deserve 3 parts. Hell, it barely deserves 2. They could do a 90 min reunion and call it a day. No one will be paying attention to either parts b/c they supposedly air after the long awaited RHOA & M2M. Both reunions be blips on people's radar as their entire focus will be on the 2 shows aforementioned.

Nope. Not at all. I do think that Danielle can generate some life back into this show, but not for long. I just don't think NJ has a long life anymore with this cast of women. Not even Felonresa. I'd trade NJ for a revival of Miami or DC any day.

Now this is hilarious...

I forgot about Jed Allan. I could see it with him too or he could've been a good Grant recast if James Douglas wasn't open to it. I was about to say Nicholas Coster but he already played Eduardo and John [Eldridge], so that'd be too farfetched. I don't get how Wally Kurth was wasted either. He had such good chemistry with Maura/Carly, and he had the rugged Snyder man look. He so could've been Seth. This show stayed casting great actors in dud newbie roles instead of recasting them as legacy characters. Much like how you said Jeffrey Meeks should've been Rick Ryan instead of Craig, which is so true.

I never understood why they got rid of Andy as he had the most ties and most potential out of most characters during that time. IMO, he should've been the leading man. Not Jack. Not Holden. From watching clips around Caleb's arrival and early years on the show, I always got that Caleb was the ladies' man, who made mistakes (like you stated). I guess once he became a cop they had to declaw him. Thinking about it, did you ever think that Jack/Carly were knockoffs of Julie/Caleb? Caleb/Jack being a cop and Snyder man. Julie/Carly being the town screw ups. I always pondered about that... Do you think that Seth could've been brought back in later years? When Wally Kurth was brought on, I was hoping they'd make him Seth or Caleb but instead they made him weird ass Sam and just totally wasted him. I felt Stuart Damon would've been a Don Hughes recast but they wasted him too. What are your thoughts on that. I don't think they were Julie/Caleb knockoffs, as I doubt those running the show knew much about Caleb or Julie. I do think Seth could have returned, sure, although I would have preferred no recast. A Don recast could have worked, especially if they brought back Teddy and his other child with Mary. He could have worked with Tom and there could have been tension over cases. He did change once he became a cop, but the biggest change was MDM's death. Up to the time he passed away Caleb was still a bit hotheaded, still got jealous. One of the early 1993 episodes he was in had him jealous of Julie at a modeling shoot. Oh OK. Do you think Stuart Damon and Wally Kurth would've worked as those recasts?

I never understood why they got rid of Andy as he had the most ties and most potential out of most characters during that time. IMO, he should've been the leading man. Not Jack. Not Holden. From watching clips around Caleb's arrival and early years on the show, I always got that Caleb was the ladies' man, who made mistakes (like you stated). I guess once he became a cop they had to declaw him. Thinking about it, did you ever think that Jack/Carly were knockoffs of Julie/Caleb? Caleb/Jack being a cop and Snyder man. Julie/Carly being the town screw ups. I always pondered about that... Do you think that Seth could've been brought back in later years? When Wally Kurth was brought on, I was hoping they'd make him Seth or Caleb but instead they made him weird ass Sam and just totally wasted him. I felt Stuart Damon would've been a Don Hughes recast but they wasted him too. What are your thoughts on that.

Yes! I've always said to my friends that watch too that while Joe is away, Melania is gonna take her to hell and back. I think Gia is gonna too, but she is 'fast' (as we southern Black folks say) as hell.

True. Now seeing it, Julie could've lasted a bit longer if she was tossed back in Lisa's orbit and not tied to Caleb. I assumed that the Julie/Caleb pairing following was strong that fans might not've been for it. Would you have kept Caleb or written him off? I think that Julie hooking up with Jef could've been good too as Emily had horrible material throughout the mid to late 90s until they had her have an affair with Tom. I thought her pairing with David and Diego were dreadful and did the character no justice. Out of Emily/Diego pairing, the only good thing that came out of the story were the scenes with Em/Margo. That's it. Ooo. That would've been interesting (re: Carly/Julie). I think it would've been nice (like I did on the fanfic I did for a short time here) if they had went ahead and folded BRO and had Lisa, Carly, and Babs create a new fashion empire/conglomerate together or under WorldWide as a subsidiary. It would've put all the former town vixens together and building friendship. If Lucinda was involved, it could've possibly revived their friendly rivalry, which at times could've provided comedy with them trading barbs. So much could've been done with this show in the last 15 years that could've set it up to still be on-air now if P&G was open to it.

Where do you think they could've taken Julie had she stayed? Plus, with Carly already on the scene already taking her crown, would you want Julie reformed?

@DRW50, these episode are setting up for Julie/Caleb's departure aren't they?

Now you know it'd be too good to be true if Chas secretly protested the wedding. You know they are gonna have everyone be all for them, which is annoying. Even for me as a gay man. I want someone close to them to be an opposition for awhile. These week truly has highlighted (like you said) how much of a gap there's gonna be without Ashley. I feel like we are losing a patriarch on the show and all that's left is Eric. I guess many would include Zak in that too, but I've never viewed the Dingles like that. Losing Ashley is gonna seriously be like losing he moral compass. I would've been down for more characters dying too. IDK why they didn't kill Lachlan. To this day, I get pissed he's still breathing. I wish his ass would've drowned in that trunk; however, that would've resulted in another situation of Robert being pegged a murderer and I am over that bit. You already know that I hope they don't make Pierce nutty. Just have him breakup with Rhona and move that. Again, that man is too sexy to be tossed aside. Pierce can become the village manwhore, which is a role suitable for him as long as he's naked at all times.

I enjoyed them as when I started watching, I really didn't know much of their backstory; however, I grew to understand why long-term AW fans were offended by the romance. Carl had done too much to Rachel and Mac for her just to fall into a romance with him. I do think that they built them up well enough to win over a bulk of the fans, who'd originally protest the romance.

Idiot. He's gonna get Trump supporters shot up on election day listening to him. Sounds like a win-win to me. I agree. I hope they know that some people in inner cities are itching for something like this to pop off. Just itching for a reason to put a bullet in someone.

Idiot. He's gonna get Trump supporters shot up on election day listening to him.

Now Emmerdale need their asses beat tonight. While I still enjoyed the episode, it was obvious that James was gonna be the victim. It killed me to see poor Ashley push himself to try and remember the accident, but I knew once he saw Emma, it'd all come back. I think he is onto her. I just hope that Emma doesn't get word that Ashley might've remembered the accident and start pestering him. I do think that's what is gonna happen. I'm sorry but Pierce was sexy as hell tonight. That slight deranged look he shot at Paddy when he told him he was not needed was sexy as hell. He could look at me like that anytime. Crazy men like that know how to put it down in the bedroom but I digress... Robert diving in the water to retrieve the ring was romantic but stupid as hell. Ain't no way I'd do that. That ring would remain there until they retrieved the car from under water. So odd seeing Moira (of all people) being the one to convince Emma to go back in there. Did she go through with squeezing the tube to give him oxygen or did she run out b/c she couldn't push herself to do it? I do wish that they would've did more with Adam in this episode as James was his father. Given that Adam just lost Holly, lost John (who he thought was his dad) a few years back, and now lost his biological father, it would've been nice to have seen Adam have a moment with James before he croaked. Maybe it'll be addressed in future episodes. I hope so. I'm so excited about what's to come.

Thanks, @DRW50 for sharing the link! It was interesting to see how the scenes were constructed.

God Trump is horrible at this Al Smith dinner/roast. No humor at all.

Season 3 trailer: Returns Nov 29.