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But if the water was running, why wouldn't the tub have overflowed sooner and started to flood the room, alerting people that something was wrong?

The coroners report did not say the water was still running, it only said that the water was scalding hot hours after the body had been removed. A lot of higher end bathtubs, particularly in a hotel like the Beverly Hilton, have overflow drains at the rim of the tub (much like a sink does) to prevent overflow.

Having read the coroner's report Whitney Houston's death was far more grisly and pathetic than it first appeared.

She had major burns on her back from the bathtub water, water that was scalding hot hours after she was discovered. She also had some bruises and cuts on her. She was also found face down in the tub so here's the inference: she took her hit of cocaine, had the water running, had a heart incident (not attack but palpitation, fluttering, angina), fell forward into the bathtub coked out, with alcohol, marijuana and prescriptions going through her veins and she drowned.

So sad and ultimately such a pathetic way to die.

Poor Kroy - by the time Kim is finished with him he'll have a nickel left in his pocket.

And they'll have millions in the bank.

Kim was a golddigger in her Big Poppa days but she is clearly not foolish with money. In fact, she's smart with it. As she tried to explain between shouting at Nene she and Kroy leased the house because he was a free agent, last month he signed a 3 year deal worth between $10-12 million and they have since purchased the house. That's just plain smart. Firstly because had Kroy moved teams, they'd simply leave when the lease was up and secondly because they purchased the house after they knew what their income was going to be. They had a 'lease with purchase option' on the house, the rent they paid was put towards the purchase price of the house.

Kim's a lot of things and can be called a lot of names, but the one thing I will always defend her on is that she's stupid and/or financially irresponsible. She outwardly proclaimed that she knows this moment on RHoA and the NFL isn't forever.

Overall, a really good start to the reunion. Kim, Phaedra and Nene came off the best. The anger between Nene and Kim seems to have faded, Kim did not seem to be Nene's target at all...that was reserved for Sheree. Sheree is a bad liar, she couldn't dance around any of Andy's questions, Nene's jibes and Phaedra's statements of fact. Phaedra really could have crucified Sheree for how things went in court, but she was nice. She didn't need to be.

Also, potentially great news for those of us who love RHoBH and hate Taylor (Shanna Hughes) Armstrong: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2129598/Real-Housewives-star-Taylor-Armstrong-freaks-learns-bosses-set-phase-show.html

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This is growing on me. Im on episode 3 and the 2nd was better than the first. Jody, Jody, Jody. I think she is someone I could love to hate. I cant stand her but realize she is necesary as she brings the drama and will keep things interesting. She is so full of herself and doesnt care who knows it. She drives my head in but I enjoy the other women reacting to her

I like Reiko. So far she's my favorite

Marika, that friend or whatever her name is. Can she lay off the botox? Her face is so tight that its uncomfortable to watch her

Reiko's husband has a very interesting past. I suggest you Google him and see if your opinion doesn't change.

Marika Palmer is a scream! Her husband is a very powerful advertising agency owner in town, she is fabulous, great fun and an all around pleasant lady.

Joan in St Tropez at Club 55 for Easter (pictured with Charles Worthington, Gloria Hunniford and Tracey Emin)

Here in Atlanta they revealed the salaries of the HWs on the radio. Kroy and Apollo get paid 50k per season, Peter and Marlo got paid 75k, Cynthia and Phaedra get paid 300k per season/75k for the reunion, Kandi gets paid 450k per season/100k for reunion, Sheree gets paid 550k/150k for reunion, Kim gets paid 600k/150k for the reunion, and Nene gets paid 750k/250k for reunion.

Nene wasn't lying when she said she very rich, bitch. They also hinted that Nene's salary per season could possibly be seven figures. No wonder Sheree is hating. I bet she asked for a raise, and Bravo said hell no and showed her the door.

Those are very interesting salaries...you'd think that someone like OC's Vicki or NJ's Teresa would be making money in the Kim/Nene range. I'm also certain the BH women started with a higher salary right off the bat in order to secure them. That's pretty impressive money, especially the money Kim and Nene are making. It's also pretty sad that Sheree is living in a small apartment and apparently blowing her money when she could have bought a nice house, in cash, banked the rest and really grown a nice future for herself.

That's what sets Nene and to a lesser extent Kim, apart from these women. When Nene saw that brass ring, she went for it full force and seems to have made smart decisions with her career and how she's handling her money. Kim has done likewise, though she's had a lot more practice thanks to her Big Poppa days, I recall at the first reunion one of the women said that Kim was stupid and she shot back "Take a look at my money market account" and the rest of the women had the blankest expressions on their faces as if they'd never heard of such a thing. Kim isn't a dumb blond and Nene's no fool. That's real money they're playing with.

I have connections to all the Vancouver women. Good lord our city is an incestuous town.

Friends of mine live right next door to Jody.

Unpopular opinion but I like Faye Resnick and would love to see her come on as well, even if its just as a "friend of the housewives" like Brandi was in season 2

Not unpopular with me, I would like to see Faye as a full housewife, she certainly would have been a superior choice in comparison to dead weight Dana/Pam. Faye has such an interesting history, she's very LA, plus she has a job that lends itself to storylines and glamorous parties and fun.

Hate that she's not coming back.

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Such a shame, especially as we have psycho Taylor, idiot Adrienne, douche Kyle and addict Kim....At least Lisa still has Brandy?

Can police dogs sniff out cocaine?

Yes, they absolutely can. The problem is that I doubt there were any police dogs on the scene because of how it looked, she was found submerged in the bathtub, her people found her, hallway video cameras would have confirmed that no one untoward entered the room and visually there wasn't any cocaine present. The police weren't looking for drugs, so they didn't find them.

The other problem is that they would only find cocaine residue, and residue is not enough to say that Whitney had cocaine in the room, although combined with the toxicology screening a logical inference can be made. Ultimately, I don't see anyone going down for this because they've all protected each other in enabling Whitney and her drug and alcohol addiction.

Nightline is doing a piece on Whitney & the Cocaine now.

"Drowning due to cocaine use. 60% artey blockage. A lot of internal damage from drug use. She apparently used cocaine immediately prior to passing away."

Just pathetic, what a disgusting way to die. I wouldn't be surprised if she went into atrial fibrillation and slipped under the water. Her body must have been a mess because of those drugs.

Here's my question... why would they say that the Flexeril and Benadryl didn't contribute to her death? to me, it seems that those things could VERY much contribute to her passing out in the tub and hence, the accidental drowning. I did not know that cocaine caused thickening of the coronary arteries. She certainly was never overweight, but smoking as heavily as she did, we all know, is a big causative factor in heart disease. I guess it's not crystal clear if she had a heart attack and lost conciousness, or simply passed out and drowned.

Flexiril and Benadryl didn't contribute to her death because of the percentages found in her blood and tissues. Those haven't been released yet but they're going to be too low to have been a contributing factor.

Cocaine absolutely thickens arteries, it also causes heart spasms, palpitations and fluttering, all of which are dangerous. That they listed arteriosclerosis as a cause, that tells me that they suspect a heart attack.

And it's only plain logic that someone removed cocaine from her room. She did it very shortly before her death, was in the room all day and there was no cocaine when the police arrived.

Here's my medical take on it, I think I'm very much in line with Harvey Levin of TMZ's opinion...

Whitney's heart was already hit with heart disease thanks to her cocaine use, heart and arteries thickened from cocaine use so that was already somewhat vulnerable. Then you have all the other drugs, the weed, the prescriptions and any alcohol nudging her even closer.

She takes a hit of cocaine, goes to relax in the bath, suffers a heart attack or simply has palpitations thanks to the cocaine, sinks below the water...Houston we have a problem. She's dead.

Removing cocaine from the scene is a crime as it's interfering with a police investigation.

Pat Houston and anyone else in that room had better be lawyered up. This thing ain't over.

How sad, yet again enabled to use like any other addict.

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This will REALLY bring the jobs back.

LOL I'm going to stream something now, just to fight Uncle Sam.

Where to begin with OC?! Tonight was EPIC. Gretchen IS a boss. The way she stood up (even literally) to Miss Piggy and held her ground while spewing truth was fantastic. Vicki's only defense was "my boyfriend is off limits" bitch, no. Then the way she tried to bring up what her (gorgeous) daughter is going through for pity and acting mature enough to walk away only to come back? no. no. no. Team gretchen 100%. And then on WHHL she claims the diff is brooks had a job but didnt pay child support and slade didnt have a job to pay child support? first off, both are wrong but having a job and not paying support is even worse than being out of work. This all stems from two thing, her being able to dish it out and not take it and her being jealous of gretchen/tamara.

Actually it IS different. Very different. Gretchen and Slade repeatedly emphasize that Slade has not gone to jail for not paying child support while Brooks has. What Gretchen probably doesn't know because Slade certainly isn't going to volunteer it is the following information:

In most American states if a parent has a job and owes child support they will 100% of the time be arrested. If a parent owes child support and does not have a job they will 100% never be arrested. Slade has not had a job since the second season of RHOC, he has lived off of his girlfriends, he's doing this with Gretchen currently. Slade knows that the moment he has a job he will be arrested and jailed until he can have his wages garnished or pay off his child support debts entirely. His unemployment is a strategy, he doesn't need to work as a mortgage broker, he could work at Wal-Mart or Starbucks or collect cans, but he won't do that because it will guarantee his arrest.

Brooks was arrested, got caught up on his child support and has moved on. Slade has not paid his monthly child support obligations ($3500 a month for his terminally ill son whose brain tumour requires constant medical attention) for years and now owes $130,000 in child support. He recently sought to have his child support reduced, which it was, to the tune of $775 a month. He still, however, has not paid even this amount. He continues to live off of Gretchen and goes on trips to Miami with her.

Everyone on the OC is repugnant, but let's be clear about Slade Smiley attempting to compare his situation to someone else. He has been a brazen deadbeat dad and if Dr DaytimeFan happened to cross him in a parking lot he would beat the sh*t out of Slade Smiley.

Let's not pretend that Democrats never dished out character assassinations to disabled war heros. Do you remember when John McCain was trashed by the liberals for being a war monger, an old fart, a racist (Congressman John Lewis compared McCain to George Wallace), a homphobe, and a clone of George Bush? I discintly remember back in 2002 that Democrats compared the horrendous treatment Cleland received to that McCain got from Bush two years earlier. (And in 2004, John Kerry himself blasted any hardball criticism of war heros, and then mentioned that McCain--who by the way was his first choice for VP--and Cleland were his friends.) Yet, once the Arizona senator was no longer every liberal's favorite Republican, they attacked him just as viciously as they did "draft dodgers" Bush and Cheney. And what about Bob Dole, who was also ruthlessly attacked for his old age (with liberals laughing their asses off everytime a clip of him falling off that stage was shown), for being a Gingrich clone, for trying to rob seniors of their Social Security and Medicare, and (as Clinton put it) wanting to "build a bridge to the past."

Absolutely, let's not pretend that Democrats haven't got down in the mud with the best of them. But let's not pretend that a character assassination of a triple amputee war hero is in any way comparable to a ballot switcheroo. Not. Comparable. In. Any. Way.

You're right that they're not exactly the same thing, although they both were dirty tricks that party bosses approved of in order to gain control of the Senate. One could certainly argue that a vicious character assination of a triple-amputee war hero was worse than a ballot switcheroo. However, it is debateable if Cleland would have won re-election even if those ads handn't been run (given that his voting record was less conservative than most white GA Democrats, combined with the fact that GA was a lot more Republican in 2002 than in 1996). On the other hand, the last minute ballot switch very likely robbed the GOP of a senate seat (although I don't believe for one second that Torricelli would have actually lost by 15 points in such a Democratic state).

One could argue? Are you serious? They are oil and water issues. Unbelievably different. The only thing they have in common is they highlight how terrible American politics is and how little care is paid to issues that affect voters directly and who the best people are for the job.

When Lucille Bluth met Mitt Romney. Two peas in a pod.

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And the full Tumblr account for Lucille and Mitt:

http://lucilleandmitt.tumblr.com/

An absolute trainwreck.

Brilliant interview from 1988 on ITV's 'The Time, The Place'...the whole audience are Joan admirers and they ask her questions, fabulous. As usual Joan was far less guarded in her native London than how she was in America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y-oRZTo4gk

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Is there any truth to rumours that Barbara Windsor is set to return at some point this year?

Last night's RHOA was way too Cynthia-centric. No Kandi til the party? No NeNe for the first 20 minutes? No Sheree til... Oh wait, she has no story.

Peter, aka Papa Smurf, is so classless the way he badmouths his sister-in-law in public like that. Meanwhile, the sister IS a tad bit too weepy. The mother, who looks like she's melting in the hot Atlanta heat, I'm surprised she would say "I'm shocked your marriage lasted a year" at the party, but I guess that's when the cameras were rolling so there ya go.

Then there's Marlo, who denies saying she used the F word. Girl please. It'll be interesting to see how she backtracks that one at the reunion show.

Phaedra has really grown to be my 2nd fave (NeNe will always be first). Alls you gotta do is shoot her going to the grocery store giving her opinions about foods, flavors, brandnames, etc. and it'll be amusing. She's got a quick wit like a comedienne.

I think Kim not attending Cynthia/Papa Smurf's party has less to do with the Africa comments and more to do with the fact that she just didn't feel like going. It looks like she just prefers being on camera when it's set at her house.

You know...as much as there's no story for Sheree I would miss not seeing her fake, broke ass on the show. There's something I like about her bullsh*t, perhaps that it's so obvious? It gives fodder to the sharper wives (ie: my love Phaedra).

Phaedra is so fabulous, she just KILLS. Never does a comment of her's fall flat.

Cynthia & Papa Smurf...he's a total bastard and I'm glad her family openly hates him. He clearly hates them, so there's no reason to fake it.

Kim avoiding that party...well she knows she isn't really welcome considering how Cynthia and Nene are BFF, she'd have to deal with Kandi...most importantly, she brought her own wine to Cynthia and Papa Smurf's wedding, she probably didn't feel like lugging a bottle of Chardonnay to another one of their shindigs.

Pat isn't Whitney's mother or legal guardian. She's her sister-in-law and manager.

It appears to me Pat didn't want her to go to the party, and she also may have been pissed off at her after the party. She may have been fed up with her on a whole. It's a very human reaction. She could have been dodging Whitney's calls for a week because she was pissed at her, it doesn't make Whitney's death her fault.

Like DF, I didn't find the description of her walking to the room odd either.

Also like DF, the only thing I fault Whitney's family with is, yes, being enablers. She was Whitney, she had money, she was giving or/and paying them money as staff - so it looks like they didn't as much as they could have to kick her a-- into submission. Not that I even can really judge them on thnat front. I don't know how much they did or did not do behind the scenes to get her help BUT I do know staying quiet and making up tales while she was tripping wasn't a good decision.

Exactly. The lies and the spin keep on coming because the truth isn't as easy as the lies. I heard a lot of easy answers from Pat, Gary and Bobbi Kristina, it would have been nice to hear the truth.

I think so much of Whitney's life was being used by other people so she used them right back. Really, I think everyone, including Oprah Winfrey, should be ashamed of themselves.

And Pat didnt know Whitney was in trouble at that party?? Doctor after doctor said she as a recovering addict she should not have been drinking yet she was and Pat was ok with it. Her revisting the day Whitney passed were weird too. I mean really someone you care for might be hurt or worse and you are walking slowly down the hall of the hotel?? Hell, I would be running as fast as I could to get there. I'm sure Whitney and Pat had an argument the night before after they left the party and that's why Pat wasnt going to see Whitney during the day. Either that or she knew Whitney was so wasted that she wanted her to sleep it off. I still say had Pat gone to see Whitney like she asked her to she might not be dead now.

That is a judgement that can't be made until the autopsy is complete. If Whitney's body just gave out no visit by anyone would have helped her. We already know she didn't drown, so being unattended didn't kill her.

Pat walking down the hall slowly was one of the only parts of the interview that I didn't find odd or calculated at all, it made sense to me. Pat knew the writing was on the wall so far as Whitney was concerned so she knew her death was coming. My problem with the Houston family is that they are a family of enablers who stood by Whitney as she made extremely destructive decisions that affected herself and her child.