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I like Marysol's quiet, sad presence on the show and am glad that she will still feature (I assume Bravo will still use footage of her if she is filming as much as she did in Seasons 1-2). Even more than Marysol, though, I want to see Mama Elsa. Like, every week I want story involving Mama Elsa. Mama Elsa giving Lea a piece of her mind, Mama Elsa gossiping with her maid, Mama Elsa sleeping over at Marysol's freezing-cold apartment and bitching about it, Mama Elsa contacting the spirits. For me, she is as much a regular as the five currently featured. In fact, I'd even go as far as say she is RHoM's star. Too bad about Karent. I was totally on her side in S2.

DF, man, you really hate Gretchen! I was on her side during the whole Mejico fall-out as what the other girls did was selfish. And I was prepared this episode to remain 'on her side.' But her treatment of Alexis at the salsa party reminded me when she dumped their friendship in order to move on up to Barracuda Tamra and the fact that the ladies are now ganging up on her could be a little bit of payback. As for the Lydia/Slade/Gretchen face-off, I get why Lydia was hyper-sensitive but she did make too much of a pretty innocuous statement. At the same time, I think she kept hashing it out because deep down she is not sure about Gretchen and probably does not have good vibes about Slade. When she said "Now I see what you are," it was a pretty accurate line, and her point about Slade bringing up the Miss Piggy comment and then Vicki having a nose job was dead-on. Vicki pretty much as said that it was because of jokes and cruel comments like that that she went under the knife. I have to say, Lydia has been growing on me episode by episode. Eddie dancing was hot. Terry dancing was hilarious. I loved Terry all this episode. Brooks creeps me the !@#$%^&*] out, especially the way he was laughing when he got Tamra in his arms. A day after Ryan leaves for base-training with the marines, and Broke-Ass is already slithering out of the woodwork.

Um, I am watching RHoNJ right now and literally PIMP laughing when Kathy's son and Rosie pull up in Richie's orange Ferrari. First of all, the fact that Richie bought a "my middle-aged dick is really small, y'all!" Ferrari with all the Bravo money, and he chose one that looked like tangerine roadkill. Secondly, what in the holy hell is Kathy wearing? Did she just come back from a costume party where she had to go as Calamity Jane? She should not be wearing clumpy cowboy booties and needs to fire her bootleg stylist, STAT.

I don't think it's ALL on Kathy by any stretch, but Kathy is a symptom of some of the stuff that needs fixing on this show. She doesn't have much to offer -- or she thinks she doesn't (I like her when she talks about her kids because I truly believe they are her pride and joy, and there is no shame in that), what with the 'tox and lip injections and jumping on Teresa's bandwagon with the "My family recipes are better than yours" stuff. FYI, almost every Italian fortysomething lady in the tri-state area think they are better cooks than their aunts/SILs/cousins/neighbors. Is Teresa a major reason for the toxicity on this show? Absolutely. But Melissa, Caroline and Jacqueline need to hang their heads in shame, too, because they brought their brand of toxic to the table. HEverybody has participated in throwing their family to wolves in the name of the almighty $ and spurious fame. Three things RHoNJ have gotten right this season thus far: 1. Getting Jacqueline away from the drama. 2. Milania. And Gia. Those two give me life. 3. Sidelining Albie/Chris/Greg/BLK water/some of Lauren. I can't with those kids. P.S.: Why the name change CarlD / DRW50?

re: RHoNJ ratings -- good. I hope it gets Bravo to do something. Last season of RHoNY was 1000 times more watchable (especially when they were in St Barts) than RHoNJ in its current incarnation. I'd say ever since Danielle was jacked over for that googly-eyed bore Kaaaaaathy and fake-ass Melissa "My daddy always said I was gonna be a STAH!" Gorga, this show has been on a fast train hurtling downhill.

I agree. His eyes, his voice. I also like his understated sense of humor.

It sort of won me over a little. Even though I am not a fan of Tamra. I fully recognize that this tidbit was trotted out to soften Tamra's hard edges and make her appear sympathetic. That doesn't mean it isn't any less true. Her line about being drawn to people like Vicki who "don't ask questions" (I would add "and push me around" -- Vicki, as DF rightly points out, IS the OC but she very much acts like Tamra's older sister, goading her oftentimes into saying and doing [!@#$%^&*], then turning around to accuse her "Why did you say that? Why did you do that?") was pretty breath-taking in its self-awareness -- for Tamra.

I like the OC, too, and thought last night was a pretty involving episode (unlike NJ which was the same [!@#$%^&*], different day). I also don't mind Lydia although Nothin'ButAttitude calling her Bucky Beaver literally made me Gretchen's unejakayted ass gets on my wick too but I have to say I was more on her side than anybody else's in last night's episode. Vicki shouldn't have dumped half the group when everybody was (pretty much) getting along. That was some active mean-girling and way to make two people feel unwanted and wasting their time. OMG, so much WORD. And Tamra is eating up all the attention with a spoon. Turning on the drama school waterworks with Gretchen and playing her against Vicki the whole time. And earlier throwing over her BFF all for a couple of tequilas and a pole dance on the bar. Alexis looked like a Fraggle Rock character going to that restaurant in (what I can only describe as) that weird fur-chubby cropped jacket. Also, I hate these fake-ass scenes they have with her and "nice" Jim. They have been so obviously scripted by their new PR people. One thing I wish I could replay again and again: Heather telling the drunken twits who knocked on her door at 3am to 'say sowwy,' "coming in with these sparkly ears is not making me feel better." I love that she was sitting up in bed in what looked like BLACK SATIN pajamas when she said this. Heather is so boss.

LOL, I forgot about that "fashion industry" comment. I was rolling. Next, Alexis will be telling us that Alexis Couture shows in Paris.

So much to discuss on here... -Jesus, Kim must be the most fertile woman on the planet. Kroy's seed really hits the bullseye every time. You think she got pregnant for her show? Or was it another two-weeks-after-giving-birth accident? -I can see Shaw wanting to retool RHoV completely with a brand new cast. RHoV was a big ratings winner for Slice. It was so sad the way the show in last incarnation just threw up and died a gurgling, seizured death, and I really hope that Ronnie gets some help for some of the addiction and mental issues with which she is clearly wrestling. Jodi and Amanda can go crawl under a rock for all I care. -RHoOC -- I can see both Gretchen and Vicki's side of things and why each dislikes the other. Now, regarding the restaurant, the women should have known that if Heather recommended it, it is not going to be their local Chipotle Grill. They sure dressed up for the occasion, but they acted low classy and ignorant. I get that the place may have been more appropriate for Date Night but once you are there, you just have to go with it. If I were Heather, I would have been mortified by people's comments (asking for salsa and chips, for the love of God, Lydia!) and bored, eye-rolly reactions.

I love it when the OC ladies go on vacation because they TRULY go on vacay and let the Trashy come out to play (even though Tamra wants to pretend she doesn't do that anymore). I thought Gretchen's reaction shots to Vicki's (relatively) innocent calls to go to Andalay for a booze-a-thon hilarious. And she and Heather were rightly pissed off about being left behind by Vicki, Tamra and Lydia. The thing that bothered were the ill-mannered, at times willfully ignorant comments at the restaurant. Yes, folks, Mexico does have fancy restaurants and not just burrito stands. No, Lydia, they do not have chips and salsa as a starter. Gretchen's comments about the shrimp looking suspicious... well, ok, they could have looked dodgy. But I'm also betting that Gretchen would never be so particular with her food if she were at a typical Mexican eatery with enchiladas, Corona and a mariachi band. If she once had a bad reaction with shrimp back in the day, well, then she should not order them. I had a bad reaction to oysters once, I can't even look at them today. Looking forward to the fallout next week.

I wish it was just a case of being ignorant to her husband's worst excesses, but Teresa knows exactly who she is dealing with with Joe Giudice. She may not have overheard that damning phone call he made in Napa last year, but she suspected something was up. So what does she do? Noisily mounts him in the vineyards in full view of their friends and family! Andy played the segment again at Reunion so that there would be no misunderstanding in Teresa's mind about what her devoted hubby said about her and what he was orgasma-grunting about, and she just put her arm through Joe's and said that it cost him some diamonds. Their marriage is one of the big mysteries of RHoNJ to me. Teresa fronts like there is no tomorrow. For some reason, she cannot bear to think that the world knows that her life isn't picture-perfect. She'd rather be stuck in an unhappy marriage to this drunk thug (who openly disparages her) than alone. Perhaps her parents are against divorce for religious/cultural reasons, but I think it is more a case of "bella figura" -- look good at all costs and pretend everything is wonderful. I also think Joe is her first love and she still can't get him out of her system.

Uh oh, I'm getting sucked back into the abyss! The abyss of Tropical Tans (*side-eyes Teresa, Melissa and the two Joes*), sparkly body oil (the two Mrs. Gs again), unwanted maternal advice about [!@#$%^&*] I already knew (Caroline), crazy plastic surgery (Jacqueline), bankruptcy (everybody) and toxicity (ditto). Teresa... sigh. I have always sympathized with Teresa in spite of myself. She is more sinned against than sinning. However, I have to say this. Teresa looked old in yesterday's premiere. Part of it must be the stress of this family feud, living with Jow Giudice and covering up his affairs, Hurricane Sandy and fronting, fronting, fronting like everything is fabulicious. However, she also needs to quit it with the tanning beds because they are not doing her skin any favors. She is looking better in the VTs, though. Last year's middle-parting gorilla look was atrocious. Melissa wants to be all things to all people. Friends with Caroline then dissing Caroline for getting involved with The Feud. wanting to get 'the girls' together then putting an end to it early. Yeah, that's not a book I'm interested in reading, Melissa. I wish Danielle Staub was back on the show. SO much. Gia and Milania need to become the sixth and seventh HWs on this show. That's how much I love them. I don't necessarily buy that Milania misses Antonia and whatstheirnames that much, but I appreciate the sentiment she is expressing and can't wait for Milania to do her Melissa-on-a-pole impression.

I like the OC show a lot but I am ready for another HW show to be alongside it. Can't believe I am saying this but bring on RHoNJ! Does it start this Sunday? And when is Miami back? July?

So... I am enjoying RHoOC, but it needs to step up into second gear right about now. Good scenes with Tamra and her mom, I guess the point of those scenes was to paint Tamra in a better light... but that doesn't mean that everything she said about herself wasn't the truth. Brooks is so slimey and shady, blech. Re RHoNY. I enjoy LuAnn sometimes so I'm glad she is returning. I wouldn't mind Jill returning for a little while, if only because her shadow looms so large over the current NY cast, and because after reading this thread, I am reminded how that toxic witch needs to be called out once and for all. The way she treated Bethenny was especially awful.

Uh Slade. Giving a Bentley with a shitload of car payments to be made on it is not a "gift." OC haters to the left! This last episode may have been mostly filler but it's still more interesting than half of RHoA this season, and all of RHONJ last season!

So glad you llve RHOM. Wish juniorz was here, Miami is his favourite. It took me a while to warm up to Adriana but now I like her. I am still o the fence about Lea. Joanna, Lisa and Karent were my favourite friendship last year. I know Alexia is horrendous but she makes stuff happen on the show so I want her back az a HW. Mama Elsa is love. Marysol and Ana are irrelevant. And Romain is SO FINE! And despite his transgression, a pretty decent guy.

I really like that Nene interview -- especially how gentle Andy is with her. He teases her but you can tell he just loves her. And it needs to be said -- Nene's style transformation has been off-the-scale amazing. She looks sleek, stylish and expensive. Her clothes never look trashy or ill-fitting or unbecoming. Her hair is amazing -- like a blond Josephine Baker's 1920s marcel wave. She looks like a sleek blonde panther. And her ring and silvery shoes! OMG. I feel like Nene still looks up to Kim, and that's why she can entertain the possibility of they being friends again. With Sheree, she's lost any respect she had for her and that's why she can't ever go back there again.

OMG! Angry Chuckie! Re: RHoNY -- What Bravo could do is agree on performance-related bonuses. If this season reaches a certain height in the ratings then Bravo could agree to pay over and above what their currently agreed salaries are. I personally loved last season's NY, Heather is my girl! I even enjoy that crazy uptight Aviva. As far as having people return, I really don't miss Alex that much, although I like her and agree that she took the fall for Jill, Kelly and Cindy's nastiness. I only want Jill to return if Bethenny was coming back, too.

The Nene disdain of Lisa makes me sad. Because if Nene ever came onto RHoBH (yes, I keep hoping for a guest appearance), I would lose respect for her if Kyle used her as her new attack dog now that Faye has been sent back to her kennel. Dang, Faye. I still want her back next season! RHoOC: OK, so Lydia is growing on me. She seems very upfront and genuine in her emotions -- what you see is what you get -- and expresses herself without a lot of self-justification and double-talk. *side-eye to Alexis and, yes, Vicki* Bringing her mom on and explaining her hippie life growing up really made sense -- Lydia is quirky but she also has a great need to conform (i.e.: be friends with all the HWs) and stability in her life (marriage, kids, religion). I am not hating this girl. Vicki's reasons for not having Brooks in her life and then going on a date with him -- WTF ever. This makes no sense. Vicki wants to have her cake and eat it, too. In a way, Brooks is right: she has to make a choice one way or another and just stick with it. She can't just say "I'm in love with you" and sit back and expect Mr. Toupée to make it all better. Having said that, Southern Fried Chicken is the Shadiest Shady that ever Shadied. OF COURSE he has been "seeing" other women -- even though "doesn't want to." And did you catch all that smooth manipulation as he drove the wedge between Vicki and Ryan/Brianna even further? He was practically having her choose between them and him, or as he termed it, them and "your happiness." No wonder Ryan does not want him in the house. The argument between Terry and Heather felt contrived. I sort of felt bad for her when Terry teased her in front of the kids but it was petty to keep the argument going and refuse his apology. Heather is coming off as such a humorless bitch right now -- and I really like her when she's with the women. I can't believe a good-looking woman like Alexis is married to a guy who looks like Jim.

BH: 3 (i suspect) Miami: 2 V: 1 (S2 was a hot, crazy mess) NJ: 2 NY: 3 OC: jumped the shark but came back from that at least 3 times already.

I don't care for Rosie mjch because I think she's a famewhore like her sister. .. then again, who isn't on this show? Thrilled that my fave Milania is back to throw shade on everybody, and if Danielle came back, it would be the cherry on top.

Well, damn. The irony is -- I think Porsha was on her way out until her epic "As God is mah witness" speech at the end of Reunion. And then she was back on the cast list. The divorce was the cherry on top for Bravo. Interesting that the source also claims that Nene's divorce from Greg was fake; I was inclined to believe it was real (they at the very least were separated).

OMG! I thought she said "inner boner" LOL. I was, like, 'uh, I like Mexican food too, but...' Tamra... sigh. TBH, maybe she heard this growing up in the trailer park but never clocked that it was an actual nasty racial slur. Having said that, she's always had a slightly superior (but really inferior) attitude towards Eddie. Like, I think Tamra has deep-seated self-esteem issues. She finally found a good guy who is soft-spoken, attentive to her, not threatened by her success (unlike her verbally abusive ex) -- and I think she periodically tries to sabotage that. Maybe she thinks she isn't worthy of having landed a nice guy... or maybe she can't quite believe it's true and that he's going to marry her. So she pulls out the slurs, the nasty comments. Maybe to test him, maybe just to lord it over him. Just my take on it. Not excusing her behaviour at all, just loking for reasons why she would say it. And if Bravo left it in to this week's episode, it's because they must have been taken aback that she threw out such a word. I hope and trust that it provokes a lot of comment and triggers an apology from her.

    I watched the episode and must have missed it. What did she say? I really, really like Vicki interacting with her extended family. I'm not sure what to make of her SIL Ryan. Cameras and a security fence? Unless Vicki is jumping on that as an excuse in order to get her brother on hers and Brooks' side. Brooks is SO sketchy. I totally believe Ryan's story about his trip with him to Mexico.