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Thank you so much @DRW50! The many faces of Loving... a brand new show every other year. I find Trucker and Trisha so boring, all this staring... Celeste Holm is such an interesting Isabelle. Dabney was Alice Horton with money, Barry was Phoebe 2.0 and Holm reminds me of early Stephanie Forrester. All episodes feature several random characters. I don't remember other soaps doing this.

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What was the point of creating Allie? Does Josh Griffith have any long term plans for this show?

In 1991 and it was a very short story written by the Dobsons.

Stacey was the Hilary Bauer of the group in the early episodes. I guess that Marland planned to have Jack and Lily as the star-crossed lovers. Once she was written out, Stacey became the love of Jack's life. It is interesting that Jack and Lily's story is almost identical to Phillip and Beth's on GL. Knowing that Marland loved his blue-collar families, I wonder what his long term plans for the Donovans were.

What was the point of Kelly getting involved with a pianist who was married to Deborah Adair? He died in bed with her, the story was similar to the one Dobsons wrote for Dee Stewart and Peter Simon's Ian. Everything started and ended within a few weeks.

I am sure they will enjoy the scene as much as we, the cool kids. The show is trying to be interesting. I'll give them that. Melissa Ordway would work better as a Kimberly Simms-Mindy Lewis type instead of Gina Roma 2.0.

Which Loving characters (or actors) do you consider the show's missed opportunities? Darnell and Debbi. They were the show' big chance to turn things around. Janie was such a vibrant character, there was no reason to kill her off. Most of Clay's stories (minus the Alex Masters nonsense) could have been given to Roger Forbes. Bryan Cranston's Doug was a really nice guy, played by a very good actor. Chris Marcantel's and Linden Ashby were both great as Curtis. The Lotty Bates story made Curtis a good guy and he left after his happy ending. He later returned as a young boy. Both actors could have played parts of the Rick Alden stories. Jackie Courtney! She was wasted on Diane Winston. (She would make a great Ann) Shannon Eubanks left way too soon.

Has Audra done anything since she arrived? I only saw one or two scenes with Noah and Allie.

I always enjoy reading your thoughts on Loving. It looks as though Stan Albers would fit better as a new Alden son, while Ron Nummi's Rick and his entire story with Stacey screamed Curtis. I don't remember anything about Lorna and a black boy. Angie is a fascinating character, but perhaps she was wasted on a show obsessed with the endless Alden drama (that wasn't even working, ratings wise).

Taylor Ashford became Taylor Hamiton on B&B.

Jill planning to marry a businessman and having to deal with two sets of young daughters who didn't think that much of her. Kurt Costner was basically Brad Elliot 2.0 Lori Brooks and Ashley Abbott dealing with the fact that another man had fathered them.

Angie is such a great character, Loving was so lucky to have Debbi Morgan. Perhaps if they brought back Jesse instead of Jacob, if they built a strong African American unit around them, if they had brought some City elements to Loving earlier... Who was the writer who got the show better than the others?

Caroline was Rita Stapleton 2.0. I loved the actress, she was gorgeous... and that voice! Lenore Karsdorf was fine with Coster and the Lockridge household dynamic was ok as well. On another soap they would have lasted years, but Santa Barbara was all about the Capwells, Cruz and Eden, rape, death and hiring popular soap actors for 6 month characters.

Thank you so much! I tried looking for episodes involving this story with no luck.

I would have forgotten all about "Carolyn" whom we have never seen, and had gone with Susan Pratt as Dr Ann Logan (Webber).

The idea of a fun, glamorous telenovelish soap that would appeal to international audiences sounds great (Hello B&B). Too many recasts and dark storylines (who wasn't raped on SB?) drove people away. The show didn't know how to enter the 90s. The Paul Rauch / Pam K. Long season reminds me of Dynasty and Falcon Crest's last season, we well as Gloria Monty's return on GH. They all tried to revamp their shows for the 90s, only Dynasty kind of did it. But it was too late.

Why was the cult story so bad? No episodes of that era are available online, I have only watched episodes with Elliot running a club and getting involved with Nola and April's mother.

This Justin Deas thing has been posted in multiple threads today. Thank God he didn't work on more soaps Tonka.

Alexis was Madeline Carrington on Dynasty. Myles was Maxwell Colby on the Colbys. Brooke Logan was Jessica Chandler on B&B. Bonnie was Maureen Lockhart on DAYS. Julia was Dorcas on Falcon Crest.

Ashley was Tiffany Abbott on Y&R. Reva was Joanna Lewis on GL. Maggie was Hannah Forrester on B&B. Pam was Lorraine Davis on B&B. Any others?

Billy's ex-wife was originally named Joanna.

The CC / Santana / Mason triangle could have lasted years and years with Brandon, Gina and Sophia being part of the mix. I liked Charles Bateman as CC, he had a Blake Carrington quality. I loved the show from 1984 to 1987. All these rapes started ruining it for me, along with Caroline's death for some reason and the endless Cruz & Eden drama.

I also believe that Pam Long wanted Carla Borelli to play Joanna (who later became Reva).

People have said that baby Dominic Abbott Chancellor Mergeron Winters needs to die because everything about his story is a mistake. Using a suicide attempt in order to force viewers to feel sorry for a lousy character is much worse than people saying that she should jump.