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Ah the 2007-2011 era of B&B was so laughably bad it was awful. If I recall right it was Thomas who was the one who ended up being Rick’s would be killer although they never explained how he learned to build a car bomb lol. I miss Drew Tyler Bell was my favorite Thomas but he quit acting. So far Atkinson is my second fav Thomas because both Gregory & Fode were quite dreadful in the roles. I have the misfortune of forever seeing Gregory’s Thomas ingest those aphrodisiac berries with Brooke while stranded on a tropical island. 🤣🤣🤣

LMAO, the first fall with a shoe flying off. This was during the "Everyone hates Rick so who is trying to kill him?" era right? I remember the show at one point pretty much had Ridge, Taylor, Nick, Thorne, Stephanie, Steffy, Jackie, Owen etc. all plotting to kill Rick. There even was a car bomb and a random propane tank explosion LOL, and the show even brought back CJ, Jake, and Rocco as red herrings for who was trying to kill Rick.

Out of the Ashes was 2007, which is of Y&R’s worst years ever. 2006 did have the ice storm event in which Carmen was murdered and Summer was born in the elevator.

Probably something about unnecessary bitterness over what happened to his own demented turned suddenly incontinent preteen son with a brain tumor that made him evil/psychotic. Seriously, that’s how I remember their breakup happened. After teasing for weeks Stitch and Abby were to be reconciled I just remember Stitch returned in one episode and informed Abby that Max had a setback and was fully incontinent/diapered again or something and it was too much for Abby to take. They quickly divorced amicably after that and Stitch just faded into the background and was gone in early 2017 without an exit.

The first half of 2006 was pretty solid work and the show felt like it was getting refocused again. There were some great moments like Neil finding out the truth about Lily’s paternity, Victoria/JT one night stand, Sharon’s famous confrontation with Nick In Phyllis’s lingerie, and the initial tainted face cream story was pretty juicy. Then came along Brad’s past and Victor’s mystical epilepsy complete with lousy Hope recast (wasn’t it the lady who played Tracy McKay on Dallas lol?). That along with Jack becoming the devil incarnate the show quickly went off the rails by late summer.

LOL Summer and Sally fought over the JCV position for months but now all the sudden Gloria gets the job? 🤣🤣🤣

Nader was absolutely wonderful and so memorable as Dex on Dynasty. I loved him with Alexis and enjoyed him straight to the end of his run with the Sable story. Even though I remember his personal life issues were splattered across the Soap Press in the late 90s/early 00’s I always remember him being a complete class act on screen. RIP indeed.

Did we really need to know that Eric suddenly can’t get it up? 🤢🤢 Maybe that should have been a plot point before all this began. Maybe Thudley needs to rewatch John/Jill/Jed story from 1994 lol.

And in typical Thudley fashion we’re also burning through this story at warp speed. Never start a story with a climax lol.

The paternity “bombshell” has been pretty underwhelming. Are Jack & Li that interesting to be thrown into a Sheila story?

It was pretty ridiculous but I guess there wasn’t room for someone like Mari Jo on canvas especially with Phyllis on at the same time? Granted Mari Jo had always been a leery, treacherous femme fatale type character but her meltdown was OOC and of course there’s no going back when a character attacks the show’s heroine Cricket 🤣. Also for some reason The Who Shot Victor missed two important story beats that should have been included: 1) Jill having a one night stand with Ryan and 2) Victor doing something to piss off Jack and/or John for the last time. Brad’s motive was solid; Jill’s was pretty weak but it would have been more interesting if she had actually slept with Ryan, Victor knew and held it over head because he would tell Nina and Victoria. For the second beat Victor could have seen green and was in the process of selling the Jabot name off to another rival conglomerate much to Jack & John’s chagrin; yet somehow Victor’s shooting came at a time when Victor, Jack and John were all playing very nice with each other. Mari Jo shooting Victor over a Fax about her past and for the love of Jack just didn’t ring true.

Speaking of Days whatever happened to Corday’s lawsuit against Sony for interference? I almost wonder if Bells and Cordays should have cut their losses with Columbia/Sony so long ago given their shows are definitely capable of standing on their own but I guess they felt they still needed the middle partner?

Just saw @BetterForgotten replied the same time I did but he summed it up nicely. The day to day of Y&R in 2007 was so bizarre and insufferable there was no easy storyline flow, no payoff or follow up (ie Nick’s plane was sabotaged lol) that I can explain certain events but couldn’t tell you the why or how at all. Not surprised either. They’re probably keeping status quo until a Redstone or a Sony higher up gets involved. Just like CBS and JFP a few years back.

Bingo! It was also during Latham when Dru was reduced to a caricature and then we got Nia Peeples as the reluctant singer/gym instructor who couldn’t. 🤢 As for Morina, good riddance. Hopefully JG will go along with him. Hopefully my idea I recently posted about Noel Maxam taking over as EP and Boyd, Esser, and Slater was sharing Co-HW duties comes to pass because right now that would be the only thing I could see making Y&R even remotely interesting again. It was Latham herself who got rid of him all so she could prop up Amber, Cane, Gloria, and Kevin stories even more. 🤢

LOL. It’d far more interesting if we actually got stories of DiMera and Titan in competition but instead all we ever get is lame old “Who is going to run Titan” and “Who is going to run to run DiMera” stories repeated over and over again. Like Spaulding on GL back in the day, I would have long been sold my shares over constant CEO turnover and their complete lack of experience some of them bring to the table. 😛

WTF???

I wonder if Sheila will either take Paris prisoner or off her in order for Finn to stay loyal to Steffy? 🤣

Agreed it was rough to watch. Then there was nonsensical special episodes where there was the New Years Eve ep and Julie kept quoting Shakespeare the night she and Chip, Brian and Ginger, and Tanner and Molly all had their first kisses while at Wings. I think Wings was then bombed by the Torres guy shortly after that lol. Aside from Roberta Leighton as Ginger, most of the acting was dreadful. @victoria foxton@beebsI think one of the main issues for that era was there too many characters on canvas and incompetent writing made the show unfocused and not that compelling plus the leftover 80s retreads. It's a bit strange to realize while all that sophomoric Scofield drama and Jack & Jennifer hijinks were going that someone like Shane was still on canvas with a story of trying to solve the mystery of who poisoned ISA agents. LOL

The Scofield invasion of Salem from like 1990-1992 lol. Vern was the father and dated Jo Johnson and he had three kids, Brian, Tanner and Cassie. Brian was a Salem PD detective. He and Melissa dated a little bit. Jack tried to arrange for Brian to be Jennifer's wife following his death (when Jack believed he was dying). He later dated the stripper/dancer Ginger who was Molly's mother, then resigned from the police force and opened a dog-obedience school. It wasn't a success, however, so when Ginger was offered a job to write for a newspaper in Chicago, she and Brian left Salem. Tanner and Molly-- this was the pairing that Days tried to turn in the next big supercouple but they tanked the show with a 4.7 rating instead. Tanner had a job as a bartender at Wings. Molly was taken under Julie's ward when she first came to town and Julie gave her a job and Molly lived with Julie as well. Molly was drawn to Tanner, and he helped her to solve the mystery of Molly's dead mother, who was really the Cheatin' Heart waitress Ginger much Molly's horror. Molly was also the half sister of the notorious Hawk Hawkins, the guy who swindled/conned Jennifer big time as well. Hawk's dad was also Molly's dad. Molly started attending classes at Salem U but they was sexually harassed and raped by one of her college professors. Brian and Tanner worked together to take down the professor who as it turned out was also the man who murdered their mother. Tanner and Molly then started singing careers and they left Salem for LA when Philip Collier told the pair they had a future in showbiz. I don't think Cassie ever did much except appear as troublesome teen. There was once a that Spencer Olson was going to be introduced as her new love interest but Spencer of course never materialized after Julie's mentions of him.

I’m curious to see where this Lani maternity reveal leads. I wonder if Abe is going still be her father in some twisted way ie think the Grand Theft Embryo story from the 90’s. Ben & Ciara = 🤢🤢🤢🤢

Thanks for sharing this one @Paul Raven ! This line-up actually makes more sense although it does look like CBS was sending off SFT to a death slot as well along with LOL but at least SFT would have bridged a gap. I always have noticed a lot of CBS stations in the late 70’s actually bumped Y&R to that empty 1PM slot so they could air noon newscasts always wondered how that aided Y&R’s growth at that time even when AMC become #1.

The first half of 1992 was so bad from what I recall. Roman & Bo had that ridiculous Rafi Torres story, Jennifer was in deep with Hawk, John & Isabella had the Danielle story, all the while Brian/Ginger/Tanner/Molly ate the show alive. Yikes. I always felt that it was Lisanne’s murder and Stella kidnapping Marlena to take her to the pit is what got the ball rolling again for the show.

Thanks!! I had read somewhere years ago that when Sally returned in ‘81 she revealed that both Frank and her daughter were dead was that true or some made up fan fiction?

I forgot about Danielle, I remember she was one of the first attempts the show throw at John to give him a backstory. Didn’t she first show in or around the time “One Stormy Night” aired? Lol it was torture for months there. I don’t think the show knew what to do with John and Roman at all at the time following the end of the Tale or Two Romans story. That line up would’ve been insane, 90 minutes would’ve been a disaster. The Doctors was already ailing by this point too whatever that new soap was planned to be (Texas already ?) would have been DOA plus resistance from NBC affiliates probably would never follow this schedule.

Thanks! Bell loved his teen summer stories didn’t he? ATWT—Lord sorry to say it sounds like stuffy melodrama. How was Michael Nader received as Kevin on ATWT? Always found it interesting they brought back Sandy in the mid-70s albeit with a recast actress but I don’t recall reading they explored much of her past connections did they?