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LOL!! It’s funny all of those procedurals helped CBS long term but fans were left in the cold when it came to the abrupt endings of Cold Case, Without a Trace, CSI Miami and CSI NY, and even OG CSI. To add insult to injury NONE of them have survived In streaming or syndication the same way the Law & Order franchises are DOA Shows like The Good Wife, Elementary, Point of Interest, and even Evil had vocal enough fan bases to warrant good conclusions.

Does anyone ever remember watching David Jacobs’ Paradise? Western family drama with some serialized aspects. I feel like I might have liked it but also I’m not much of a western fan aside from a few movies/shows. PARADISE (also known as GUNS OF PARADISE for its final season) is a Western television series that aired on CBS from October 27, 1988, to May 10, 1991, totaling three seasons and 57 episodes. Set in 1890, the show centers around fictitious gunfighter Ethan Allen Cord (Lee Horsley) who is left the custody of his sister's four children after her death in a Nevada town. The show was created by David Jacobs, as both those Dallas and Knots were in a continuing decline -- at least ratings-wise -- on CBS. Meanwhile Lee Horsley was an actor who was pushed around as a leading actor on multiple short lived shows in the 80’s and ‘90’s. Paradise’s first season aired directly before Knots on Thursday nights before moving to Saturday nights at 8/7, and finally a shortened 13 episode 3rd season in the 8/7 as CBS unveiled an ultimately doomed Friday night drama line up of Paradise, Dallas, and Sons & Daughters in the spring of 1991.

The backstage clashes were definitely a big factor for sure. BTS Drama + Cast Changes + Bad timeslot = Disaster I was trying to think of a saving grace for each season for CBS. The 85-86 had The Equalizer but that’s it. The 86-87 season had Designing Women. I was coming up almost empty handed with the 87-88 season til I remembered Jake & The Fatman…really lol? The 88-89 season had Murphy Brown. The 89-90 season was another hard one…Major Dad and then I guess a summer replacement series with Northern Exposure.

Thanks @DRW50 Poor 9 to 5 had been done dirty. Regarding Masquerade, What is even wilder is not only was each episode very expensive to produce, but after seeing the weak ratings in the ABC attempted to move it to bolster ratings. The new timeslot? 9/8 on Friday nights. Whoever was in charge of programming ABC for the 83/84 and 84/85 seasons needed their head examined…

Yes, JG is that bad. I can assume he has a mandate of some sorts from our lovely executive in charge of nothing Steve Kent, but JG has proven track record of writing dark depressing and boring [!@#$%^&*] across multiple shows for the last 30 years (ATWT, Y&R, Days, Y&R again). He also has an ego that makes him think this is “genius” writing.

Thanks I was confused for a second as I knew Jorgeson had passed but thought he was talking about one of the Ben Reade actors. I remember really enjoying Molly’s return arc as well and I do remember Abigail’s brief return too. We never found out what happened to Adam and her which was probably for the best given what the show had done to Adam already.

Oh what actor was that?? As I far as knew Gregory Burke was still alive. Ugh I remember that. Not long after they brought in some recast named Alan White and boy he was TERRIBLE. Largely to close out the Chris/Abigail/Adam triangle (when Lucy Johnson infamously ordered Craig Lawlor’s dismissal, but that’s a whole other story) Unlike others I didn’t mind Bailey Chase in the role of Chris, although he was probably too old be in a triangle with barely legal Alison and Aaron and Chris being a doctor all of the sudden was weird. He also had some surprising chemistry with KMH, but Hogan lost interest and ended up writing out Chris while Chase went on to have a fairly decent career. As for the actress who played Abigail…ehhhh. Definitely lacking spark her contemporaries had and even other younger cast members from that era. She was way more memorable when she was on Passions a few years later LOL.

Going back to our 40th anniversary of the 85-86 TV season, here’s the ratings from 40 years ago from the week of March 10-16 1986:

Thanks @Franko ! The IMDB rating for “Between Two Brothers” is only a 5.4 LOL must have left a lasting negative impression. Taken aback to see Schneider in a dramatic role too.

Thanks @Soapsuds and @Paul Raven FC hadn’t aired the previous week and with the show still being somewhat episodic outside of the Jason mystery I imagine some probably felt like they could skip a week if it didn’t look interesting as the show didn’t do an exactly sufficient follow-up to the season high episode that first featured Lana Turner as Jacqueline. Ouch at Chicago Story. Like I mentioned earlier the idea of a 90 min drama, on Saturday night no less, was absurd. Here’s what happened on the soaps that week: Knots 3/11/82: Val writes a journal about the Ewings of Dallas for an assignment. Without her knowledge, Abby shows it to Karen's brother Joe, who believes that it is good enough to be published. Laura leaves Richard. Dallas 3/12/82 J.R., through his manipulations, dupes Cliff into spending millions on a phony land deal. Farraday meets with Bobby and wants money and a ticket to Rio while Cliff proposes marriage to Sue Ellen. Lucy leaves Southfork for a few days, hoping to resume her life with Mitch. Instead, she runs into a belligerent Roger. FC 3/12/82: Angela sets out to destroy Melissa Agretti's budding romance with Cole. Chase and Maggie persuade Julia to take Emma to apsychiatric clinic, but Angela stops Julia with the truth about Emma killing Jason Gioberti. Note that is also Ana Alicia’s debut episode as Melissa replacing the forgettable first actress. Dynasty and Flamingo Road didn’t air that week. Knots came in at #28. Here’s the full week that has just surfaced as well

Nielsen TV ratings report for the week of March 8-14 1982: ABC wins Nielsen race again NEW YORK (AP) "Dallas" was the No. 1 show in the week ending March. 14, but ABC had five of the 10 highest rated programs, and won the networks' competition for the second straight week, figures from the A.C. Nielsen Co. showed. ABC now has been No. 1, or tied for first, in the three-way race three times in the last five weeks. CBS continues to dominate for the season so far, and has won the competition 16 times in the 23 weeks of the current TV year. "Dallas," first in the ratings for the 10th time this season, had a rating of 27 to 26.4 for the second-place show, ABC's "Night of 100 Stars," a three-hour special taped at New York's Radio City Music Hall. Nielsen says the rating for "Dallas" means in an average minute of the show, 27 percent of the nation's homes with TV were tuned to the CBS program. CBS' "60 Minutes," No. 1 in the ratings a week ago, was third. ABC's rating for the period was 18.5 to 17 for CBS and 13.9 for NBC. The networks say that means in an average prime-time minute during the week, 18.5 percent of the television -equipped homes in the country were watching ABC. ABC's newly introduced Hooker" was the week's top-rated new series, in 11th place, with "Falcon Crest" on CBS No. 17. ABC was moderately successful with a theatrical film, "Coma," in 23rd place, NBC less so with "The Wild Geese," a TV premiere, No.30. NBC had the six lowest-rated programs, beginning with a movie, "The Great American Traffic Jam," in 60th place, and followed by "Barbara Mandrell and the Mandrell Sisters," "One of the Boys," "Chicago Story," "NBC Magazine" and "McClain's Law." Of the four lowest-rated show, all but "NBC Magazine" are new series. Here are the week's 10 highest-rated programs: "Dallas," with a rating of 27 representing 22.1 million homes, CBS; "Night of 100 Stars," 26.4 or 21.6 million, ABC; "60 Minutes," 25.6 or 21 million, "The Jeffersons," 25.4 or 20.8 million, and "Alice," 24.2 or 19.8 million, all CBS; "Too Close for Comfort," 23.3 or 19.1 million, "Love Boat," 23.1 or 19.1 million, "Three's Company," 23 or 18.8 million, all ABC; "Dukes of Hazzard," 22.6 or 18.5 million, CBS, and "Hart to Hart," 22.1 or 18.1 million, ABC. The remainder of the Top 20: "T.J. Hooker," ABC; "Magnum, P.I.," and "One Day at a Time," both CBS, tie; "Trapper John, M.D.," and "Archie Bunker's Place," both CBS; "Real People," NBC; "Falcon Crest," CBS; "Happy Days," ABC, and "Facts of Life," NBC, tie, and "Laverne and Shirley," ABC.

@DRW50 @kalbir @Khan @Soapsuds @Chris B @te. @Chris 2 This might have been shared already or not but a friend of mine in a classic primetime soap group on FB shared with me the alternative scripts for each character revealing that they killed Carlo Agretti. To have Angela and Melissa or even Chao-Li be the culprits is wild but I can definitely see them revealing themselves with such confidence and gleam in their eyes lol. Then again to have Julia be the culprit itself is wild as another show would have probably just let it be Diana or Phillip. Lance: "He [Carlo] kept pushing me. First the marriage. Then he threatened to cut Melissa out of his will. He was pushing me around... You [Chase] were pushing me around... She [Melissa] was even pushing me around. Then, at the baby shower, he [Carlo] threatened me. I wasn't going to stand for that. Not after what I'd already put up with..." Richard: "Carlo Agretti was a hypocrite who spurned me in public while privately trying to bleed me dry. I offered him double the market value for his property. But he resented that and threatened to expose my own father as a Nazi. I couldn't let him do that." Diana: "It was my only option. I had orders to get the Agretti Vineyards at any cost, and 'the company' has never recognized any limits. Results are all that count. There was an agreement... Richard had to deliver the entire California wine industry to 'the company' or give up any hope of independence. I wanted him to survive out here... to succeed. I was in love with him. I wanted him free... for me..." Phillip: "It was the only thing left to do. Agretti had fought Angela for years. He was preparing to sell out to Richard. That would've been disastrous for Falcon Crest. With Carlo and Richard both clawing away at her, there was no time for the niceties of legal maneuvering or negotiating. I had to expedite matters. Angela has given her life to Falcon Crest, and... you see... I love her..." Angela: "Carlo got exactly what he deserved. He sealed his own fate when he threatened to cut Melissa out of his will. I have no regrets. He would've done the same to me. You [Chase] don't understand anything, do you? From the time I sat on my grandfather's knee... until now, I was the chosen one to care for and enhance the legacy of Falcon Crest. Your father had no aptitude for that challenge. My strength, my dedication covered for his weakness. And then you came here to change all that? You're nothing but an opportunist who still has his head in the clouds at thirty thousand feet. You don't have the faintest idea what it takes to maintain the greatness of Falcon Crest!" Melissa: "He was no father. I was nothing more than another bargaining tool to him. He wanted Falcon Crest so badly that he traded me in marriage to Lance. Then he threatened to cut me out of his will. That didn't give me much choice. With him gone, I controlled the Agretti Vineyards, I finally had my own source of power." Chao-Li: "Mrs. Channing took me in when I was a young man with no place else to turn. She made me a part of this family. I owe her everything. Carlo Agretti... he fought her at every turn. There is nothing he would not have done to win control of Falcon Crest." Cole (an idea from an early stage; neither scripted in detail nor photographed): "I did it all along because he would not let me prove to Melissa how much I loved her — and she was carrying my child."

LOL obviously it’s been 20 years and I recall this on either the WOST boards and/or the long defunct Snark Weighs In blog (what the heck ever happened to that guy??). Basically you were like “Boy it’s takes a lot nerve when you know your own [!@#$%^&*] show you’re on smells to high heaven to pass judgement like that” or something that. Sparks had made the comments in an interview with the infamous Daniel Coleridge.

True haha although that was more realistic then and even B&B had Stephanie secretly intercept a letter from Taylor to Ridge about her affair with James a couple years before that lol. That said, I will say B&B is refreshing to watch since we finally have a new set of characters to focus on and the Liam 1/2hour is finally a thing of the past but Electra and Nick Newman Jr. aren’t it to me either.

@Khan I do to this day remember your snarky response back in 2006 when actress Dana Sparks (yes, the Dana Sparks of Falcon Crest and Passions infamy lol) in an interview openly criticized how low brow the MyNet shows were to daytime soaps🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 @te. Thank you for informing me that all the shows are on Tubi. Down the rabbit hole I go. The MyNetwork TV experiment was interesting but turned into a disaster quickly. I think Fox was supposed to air some other programs but they never materialized. After the 07-08 writers strike the network was effectively dead and has been ever since. The only shows I actually mildly enjoyed on there were Fashion House and Wicked Wicked Games. Fashion House started off so rough until MF finally showed up then it became pure camp. @dc11786 I recall there was another show that actually already lined up to replace Saints and Sinners (or was it that very trashy American Heiress?) starring Sean Young as the lead, but ultimately cancelled once they pulled the shows off.