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I promised myself to be more caught up and participate more in the BTG threads in 2026 lol. Have to the moment between Andre and Bill was great with Andre telling Bill off. Meanwhile Tomas eavesdropping on Haley was classic.

I was actually thinking Noone should have played a recast Jane had the show not killed off Mary Francis recklessly so fast. Perhaps Jane had developed great business acumen after running her second and now dead husband’s company who happened to be a wealthy industrialist as well. Jane could easily have come back under the guise to be close to Mary Francis but also look to reconnect with Greg and snag his company for her own. At least we might have gotten a more age appropriate Anne/Greg/Jane triangle out of it. Instead we got the identical cousin (already done with Ciji/Cathy but also clearly influenced by Twin Peaks at the same time lol), complete with this classic moment: Karen: Greg has a sister…???? Mac: Of course, I’m sure I’ve mentioned Claudia numerous times over the years! (Don’t worry Karen we were just as puzzled too! 😂)

Jane Elliot was pretty amazing and that “oh what could have been” rivalry with Abby. After a couple of rewatches since getting KL on streaming I can see why now Strasser had negative feelings about her Knots experience. There’s not much to Dianne Kirkwood at all other than being a diva caricature, and her character just fizzles out only making 2 brief appearances in S12 (and not the 3 most sources claim) with her exit being a throwaway scene of “oh yeah she was still Karen’s boss and is acting unnecessarily cruel”. I would consider the misuse of Strasser a waste of talent.

Ratings from the week of January 4–10 1982. Dallas at #4, FC at #12, Knots tied at #23, Dynasty at a surprisingly low #35 with it competition Quince ME beating it at #29, and Flamingo Road at #45. @Paul Raven That Sunday @7:00/6:00 slot has always been difficult to program. Outside of stuff like 60 Minutes, Dateline, and AFV the only shows I can think of that had some success in that slot were Life Goes On and I guess some of the animated shows on Fox.

Made worse by casting Stuart Pankin as the Benny character. Lord someone at Lorimar must have been a fan because he played a similar bumbling annoying character a multiple episode arc as well on FC during its final season. Like why? Good to see others have their first experiences with Knots the later seasons of Knots as well. By the time Season 10 premiered my family had moved from WV to Colorado, so Knots was coming on at 9 instead (and I old enough to stay up later lol) and from that point I watched as much as I could between watching LA Law alongside it until Linda’s brutal murder left me in the cold the show wasn’t fun to watch anymore.

I know Tony and Megan had their fans and I recall Jones and Bontatibus had chemistry but Jay B, may he RIP was also probably too old be playing Tony. Scotti probably was too but ya know gay men never look their age 😂 Regardless I feel like Tony still would’ve been killed off even if Scotti was in the role. Or at the very least Tony and Megan written off into the sunset in early 2000. Despite the buildup Tony and Megan’s forbidden young love arc was quickly eclipsed by the start of Billy and Mac. Also characters like Cole, Grace, and Callie were all written out around the same time period making room for the even younger Glo by Jabot teen set

Scotti was hot for sure!! Regarding his exit, this quote comes from the entertainment gossip section of the San Francisco Chronicle dated 12/21/98: Nick Scotti, the heartthrob of "The Young and the Restless," will soon leave the show, much to his fans' dismay. Scotti, who starred in the feature movie "Kiss Me, Guido," tells Soap Opera Weekly, "I would like to have stayed on, but I have pressuring agents; they want me to do films" Unfortunately he never had a film career take off and just disappeared in the late 00’s.

@kalbir Oh wow thanks I didn’t even notice the 1/4/96 episode there at #39, I had mainly saved these ratings because I was curious how how the show fared when it was returned to its stomping grounds for the 1/7/96 episode. What’s also insane to me is after looking through some of the 95-96 weekly ratings is that for multiple weeks on end MSW still performed higher in the crappy Thurs night slot that it’s Sunday night replacements Cybill and Almost Perfect. Meanwhile none of Cybill’s Monday night replacements worked at all. Moonves really blew up a schedule for nothing it’s too bad he wasn’t fired right then and there. And now I have the image in my head of Jessica Fletcher standing at the pearly gates of heaven being the one to deny Moonves entrance as she reads off his many sins 🤣

@kalbir 30 years ago this week in 1996 CBS let MSW air and episode in its old Sunday night timeslot and I’m guessing that its ratings probably caused Les Moonves head to spin:

Thanks @Paul Raven for the explanation. I wonder Our House would have done a much better job is a more visible timeslot. Perhaps 9PM on Wednesdays to have it pared with the family friendly Highway to Heaven? NBC sitcoms in that hour struggled.

Oh maybe it was the soccer coach I was thinking about. And my bad the character Nina dated for a few months was Brett Nelson not Greg the actor or the AMC character lol. I do remember the soap press made it know that Greg Lauren was related to Ralph Lauren. Also the only other thing I had to point out was Michael Damian was long gone by this point but still in the opening credits. (His final scenes complete with Christine’s final rejection and disgust of him in July was very hilarious to me at the time.)

After doing some digging I think that TV Guide mention of Our House at #14 for the first half of the 86-87 season was either a fluke, misprint, or maybe someone at TVG was a big Deidre Hall fan Lol? Because this doesn’t mention Our House at all:

@YRfan23 Was rewatching that 1998 episode…Nina’s internet date Kyle…wasn’t he supposed to have been the one to have molest Little Phillip/Chance or was that the Greg Nelson character? Or another character I’m thinking of? Definitely not my Dean & Troy that’s for Looking back now I kind of hated Nina just fizzled her last couple years as a regular on the show. Odd Alden struggled to write for Nina. I feel like if Bell had been still writing and in good mind, Nina having an a successful internet date with a new character could’ve opened further story development.

💀💀💀 Knots actually did try one more time for a conspiracy thriller with the Okmin Industries story in Season 11 but that story doesn’t ever make any sense whatsoever even when I tried to follow it closely other than I realize now they did recast the evil shadowy James Bond villain who was running Okmin and barking orders to Tom Ryan. But then it turned into as @DRW50 would say Mac screaming “DIRTY COP!” every scene and the deus ex machina of Greg realizing Okmin was some secret subsidiary of the Sumner Group had the whole thing end of a whimper. Which was even more silly than the pointless conclusion of the Ted Melcher arc.

I believe I first became aware of the fact that FC’s future was kind of up in the air at the end of S7 due the budget expensiveness and blowout along with the declining ratings from an article I read on filming the finale, I believe I may have shared here several pages back (may need to go dig it up again). The S7 finale certainly has series finale written all over it with enough ambiguity that we know life at FC will continue i.e. Angela’s evil laugh at Melissa “I’ll be back” along with the possibility of Chase being alive. Had the show ended in 1988, a reunion movie a year or two later could’ve easily tied up any loose ends (Angela and Melissa settling their feud, Maggie finding both Richard and Chase alive) I wish they had hired Ladd back for the series finale—it would have been funnier had Emma just barged with a fussy baby Angela in tow. I definitely agree with the Jeff Wainwright story was awful and disturbing. The whole rape retcon was terrible. Actually it’s downright disgusting how the material is treated made even worse by the Melissa kidnapping plot later on and none of it holds up well. In fact it’s downright embarrassing to watch. They could’ve easily had Wainwright arrested and jailed for good and maybe make a brief appearance later when Wainwright is revealed to be Carlton Travis’ son.