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We've had 13 hour episodes and... how much story? I mean even the 30 min PP soaps which must be on a similar budget had a TON more story by episode 26.

Did GH ever do those "Beauty Shots" endings? (I think I got the term wrong--something like that...) I know by the Monty era they just had a still for the closing credits, and I'm not sure about Ryan's Hope, but AMC kept them basically until 1989 or so, as did Loving, while OLTL kept them until Rauch came in.

Welcome to Tyler Perry-land! (I kinda hate saying that because sexual abuse has been a personal issue within my own family and an important subject but the way Perry deals with it is just so camp.) BTW here are the brief write ups for the final three episodes of this half season: Absolutely! Is "the Kids" an affectionate gay term I simply have never heard before--maybe around black American culture or.... umm something? I believe she ud that term a while back as well. I can see Tyler at his laptop so proud for knowing to use that term

Yeah, honestly I'm actually on the fence if that was just a clumsy re-write (or they forgot the original story) or if it was meant to be part of Wyatt's clever test. LOL The way this show is, it could be either... Why was Wyatt's girlfriend SOO nice to Jeffrey when he came over? Another truly stupid character? He's been a huge jerk to her and implied they were barely ever friends, yet she runs up to him and gives him a hug? All of this time I've doubted that Tyler Perry truly scripts all of these shows himself (I mean how busy is the man--quality of his work not withstanding) and had a team he just doesn't credit. But the dialogue for every character is so similar, maybe I was wrong. It's all written in the same "So how are you?" "How am I?" "Yes, how are you." "Oh, I thought that was what you said well how do you think I am?" "How should I know how you are?" style with a clever or funny (or half the time a tries too hard to be clever or funny but fails) quip or insult or metaphor thrown in every so often--honestly Wyatt's odd thing dialogue to Jeff about how he's using his words like pennies to fill a piggy bank or whatever was just "Huh?" to me. (I mean I get it but it was a clumsy metaphor at best.)

Just caught up with the last two episodes. Or Lordie. OK We've been told how incredibly smart Wyatt is and he has squandered that with the drugs... I don't know what made them think he was smart. He has no idea what a friendship bracelet is. *pause* "What's that?" He still needs "evidence" that Jeffrey is in love with him? (Oh and I thought Wyatt gave him that bracelet from before, but now we're told that Jeffrey fetched it out of the garbage...) But Jeffrey has the emotional intelligence of an 8 year old with a crush on her best friend's older brother, so... How he got a therapy degree is amazing--maybe he was raped by his prof too. Wyatt and how he delivers every line passive aggressively exactly the same--even the "nice" ones is hysterical. As is that detective who apparently now kinda has a heart.... OWN must be making a big profit on this--each episode looks cheaper than a PP online soap.

Agreed. Allmc--I love the videos, however did you not tap the end credits? I would just like to see who was credited on the writing staff. Fun article about a true AMC legend http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-09-22/the-daily-disney/os-disney-all-my-children-chef-20110922_1_disney-world-culinary-olympics-cbs-soap

Just got up to date, and... words fail me... Why does it seem like so many scenes are done in different locations with green screen--like in the hospital--one close up reaction and then another.

I suspect my interest in the show right now is partly due to only working part time this Summer--and not being really invested in any of the soaps except the online ones at the moment--which obviously I go through quickly (I'm holding out this week--or trying to.) I do admit I have little interest in Kat and Alfie and I think it's largely due to Kat's acting (and the writing.) They seem to be throwing in several new characters who have been pointless so far.

OK, I admit after my last post a while back, I've become hooked again on Eastenders. We're a few years behind, as I mentioned--today was Ronnie's final appearance (until this year?) where she finally is sentenced to 3 years--which from what I can tell is July 2011. (I looked that date up online, but what's funny is since I follow the UK pop charts so closely--or at least did until this year--I often have some idea of when the show must have aired by the pop songs playing in the background.) One question--I always find UK soap schedules very confusing, even when I spent a year there and only casually watched, I found it hard to keep up. EE airs five times a week here--is it currently at four or five episodes (for the most part) in the UK?

Ha read the comments--I don't think anyone thinks it's great. I can't stop watching, but personally think it's pretty awful in ever respect. I will say that if you wanna watch for the gay storyline you're gonna be bored with a majority of the show (it hasn't even come up in more than 3-4 episodes so far.)

I haven't watched yet, but I wouldn't call that hevay-handed in Tyler Perry-land...

Oh wow! VERY excited by that--and good casting even if it's not a huge role. How I wish Ryan Murphy wasn't involved in this... At least he can't change the script, I guess (Larry Kramer would have his head...)

I saw Blue Jasmine, Woody Allen's new movie (I'm not a huge fan of Allen, but it was extremely good and Cate is sure to get an Oscar nod.) Anyway, one of my faves, Brynn Thayer, has a somewhat prominent, albeit un-named, role...

Mr Robin Strasser! Did they meet when they were both on soaps? It always amazes me that the soaps didn't seem concerned about hiring actors who had played gay in Boys in the Band--I wouldhave thought back then there would have been more controversy about it (of course Edge of Night hired a bisexual porn star, so... maybe it was more of a big deal in the 80s post AIDS.)

No, you're prob right. I somehow missed the tidbit that that's why Wyatt remains in live-in rehab so long... Still, I guess I got the impression he was meant to be an insaney chronic, every possible substance abuser, and it had been a problem for a while, so I expected some more sign of that even if you're right, he is meant to be in recovering.

Yes, and before that, when he saw Candace and his dad, he was sneaking a huge ass swig of scotch or whiskey or something out of one of those crystal decanters which I found for whatever reason, hysterical. (I dunno--if you're trying to sneak booze around your family, it's probably not the best idea to take big chugs in the living room out of the decanter they keep there. But maybe this is how Perry imagines rich addicts act. Sneaking booze in coffee mugs and pop bottles I only for the have nots...)

No for apparently such a severely troubled addict, he has an awfully fit body, no sign of sweat, etc, etc. I know this is a soap, but... We did see him take a swig of liquor (the family doesn't lock that up?)

There was a UK Who's The Boss and the Mona role was played by !@#$%^&*] Galore?? My mind is blown.

Exactly, this is Perry. If that gets mentioned then that's what it is--there's no subtle secret or twist here. I suppose it at least gives Wyatt a valid excuse for all his addictions (though he seems the least addicted character to me on TV--aside from moaning on and on about hiring an escort.)

I seriously think Tyler Perry spends most of his energy coming up with little lines like this and storing them up to pull out.

I agree with everything said about Charles Dance's performance. I'm a little embarrassed--I only just realized he was one of the stars of the epic 80s miniseries Jewel in the Crown (to be fair, while I loved the series, I watched it back as a teen in the 90s.) Interesting COmic-Con panel, though nothing major. Completely superficially, David Benioff has got to be one of the most attractive TV writers around (and DB Weiss isn;'t half bad, either...) Simply just that headwriters don't tend to be particularly dreamy

This! So true.

I was just going to quote that.... Though you need to take 3 beats between each line--and the creepy reaction shots, into mind while reading it. Agnes Nixon, eat your heart out! The dialogue is SOOO drawn out. You do not have to write a conversation like: "Hello" "Hello there." "I see you are sitting there in the dark." "Yes I am sitting here in the dark." "I see." "Do you?" "I do." ad nauseam. The last scene with Hannah and Candace would be great--except that I felt we were still meant to completely sympathize with Hannah--who admitted she made horrible mistakes and seemed to not accept that her daughter's were even slightly her fault.

Just got caught up with the last episode. I think it helps to watch while I'm still drunk from being out... The dialogue is still, SOOOO drawn out.... "You know I didn't do this." "Yeah, I know." "You do?" "Yeah." It's almost like every line is a part of that improv game where you have to answer with questions (I know those aren't questions, but...) Why did they focus on the rape in the "previously on..." segment and then not show it? But this show seems to drop stories for episodes at a time. Jim is truly stupid. I admit parts of the show--aside from how WTF it is--are compelling--I like Hannah and Sally Spectra under better writing would be great. And so would be a priest molestation story but JESUS CHRIST--the way they're going with this? This could be a great story--and I know Tyler suffered from sexual abuse. I take these storylines personally, so I'm pretty worried where it will go...

Wow! I know Lowry from her "art" bisexual porn film Metzger's Score (a really fun film--seriously.) Randomly found the above article in a May 6 1975 New Yorker Talk of the Town section.