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I've seen 6 or so eps of the show--it was reaired a few years back on Hallmark Channel orsomething and I *loved* what I saw--it definetly had potential compared to some other shows that tried for Dallas' success. And the old movie is a classic (although less soapy than I expected all things considered)

Well Addie did play up the college setting (something I liked) which is true for these eps--as you say. It was only a month after the new and final openign came in--which was Fran's doing wasn't it?

Thanks! The episode I found on video had no end credits--but was from March. The other two stories left me just as baffled and with no memories of them--Trucker and Stacey investigating some secret place of Caboott's with a crazy lady threatening to shoot them--and AVa Rescott withher husband in a wheelchair talking to her mom worried about Carly being in Chicago--then flash to Carly wandering the streets of CHicago, drinking from a bottle and flashbacking to running over some guy. I started watching Loving briefly around the time I was started AMC--Fall 1991 when Ceare and Jeremy first crossed over (before Jeremy stayed) but then musta stopped till the following Summer or Fall when the week long Carter Jones/AMC cross over happened and that's when I became a regular viewer

I just found an episode from late march, 1992 and was wondering if anyone remember what was going on? it's the wedding at Pins between Dinah Lee and "trucker". But "Trucker" is really Clay Alden--and it's all being staged for Hannah's benefit--with Gwenyth helping and threating Clay to make Dinah Lee leave or she'll tell Hannah. I don't remember this story at all and was wondering if any fans on here remembered why they were hiding Clay's identity from Hannah?

I wish I could get SoapNet--as idiotic as the station's become I would definetly record and watch all of RH

Wsa that the year JER consulted? ;) You're right SUBE did but for whatever reason I NEVER found it as slow moving and repeititive as Passions. EVen when they did do repeated scenes it felt playful to me--like they were campily aware of it. I know on Passions they musta been too but you wouldn't know it

Wasn't NEtwork quite a bit before Marriage? I know a LOT of people (especially famous critic Pauline Kael--hardly a typical feminist of the time) found NEtwork overated and extremely mysoynistic (I'm undecided myself--part of the movie is brilliant, part feels patronizing and obvious in its satire and the role of women I think is poorly handled). As for Marriage--I'd LOVE to see an episode, but I don't think any exist. It just seems like NOBODY (Except maybe ROsemary Prinz who returned to soaps for it) liked the show even a bit. Every book, from the time to now, calls it a bold attept at a show that just seemed to be forcing these issues down people's throats with no sense of story or character to make them interesting.

Well he shoulda stuck to consulting--though I actually didn't like his consulting era the best. My prob with Passions compared to Sube was Sube moved at a fun pace and had GREAT witty, campy dialogue. Passions moves at a snail's pace, repeats the same scene over and over so that they no longer are fun, and for nearly tis whole run had awful dialogue with one or two fun lines thrown in.

They changed the opening soon after cuz they thought it felt too primtime soap with the darker music etc--I loved it. It's funny I've never been a huge Spelling fan but I really enjoyed SB (especially when Margaret DePriest was writer)--to me it was the campy, silly, FUN soap that Passions shoulda been but never was.

I should prob post it in an AMC thread but yeah--itneresting to see. I recently found a SOD article from AMC's 20th annviersary where Julia Barr and the woman who played Natalie seem to agree that 1988-89 was a rough patch for them

I know this is an odd place fro it, but since we discussed DePriest's era at AMC here, Snarksweighsin just put some AMC with her listed as HW (Lorrained Broderick AND Megan McT are also writers) from 1989. I believe (I have't watched it all yet) it may have some of the infamous Erica's father is a clown story. "> " type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344">

Snark Weighs In put a 1989 episode up just this week on youtube. Episode one : "> " type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"> Anyone remember the stories? What's going on with Jack and Stacey? It took me a while to realize she didn't jsut have amnesia or something but now it seems like Jack and her had rules about not going too fast again. and I don't think I even remembered that Trisha had a bastard brother called Rick--is he played by an actor who played Matt's closeted soap star boyfriend on Melrose Place? I recognize him from somehwere I know most of the Alex pretending to be Clay story though from descriptions I've read I could never completely untangle it--but I never remember seeing this Clay (they recast the role quite a bit like all Aldens it seems--I think Lorkin M was in the role when i started). --Gotta love Alex's hair! Lisa Peluso is a bit of a different Ava than I remember her in the 90s--which reminds me, what happened to Ava at the end? Was she killed off in the murders? I can't remember... I had never seen this opening so clearly--I like the song though I find the vocals pretty cheesy for 1989--but never realized there were drawn images of many of the couples in the credits--kinda Y&Rish. Sadly no writing credits

Yes AMC was far more successful rating wise in the early 90s--from 90 or 91 to about 95 it was almost always the number 2 show. I loved it. I also loved OLTL under Malone--some years it was prob the better show, but one thing peopel seem to forget, Malone and Griffith and Gottlieb got OLTL talked about and respected and awarded, but not hugely watched--it was consistantly the seventh or sixth highest rated show under that team according to Soap Opera Encyclopedia. I actually think Loving and AMC had a similar feel for some of this era. I became a Loving fan as a young teen because of the Carter Jones crossover month really with characters going between each show (I believe Summerish 1992 though Jeremy and Ceara had already made a brief crossover the fall before, and Jeremy would stay after Carter Jones). I also didn't find Loving purely escapist--even before Casey they delt with youth drug use, sexual abuse (though the Cooper storyline was botched I still found it powerful at the time) etc. Granted things like AVa and Jeremy later on running from GH's Faison through Universal Studios weren't very realistic but AMC and OLTL had moments like that back then. (I still think Loving, to get ratings, shoulda been aired between AMC and OLTL as intended originally). As for ANgie--I thought they messed that up by not having her come back to AMC briefly FIRST and then go to Loving. If you didn't watch Loving or see the ads and were an Angie fan, you'd have no idea she was on a new show. Still I loved her on it, even liked Jacob even if I agree with you about Charles, and I know Agnes Nixon had always been trying to get some colour on Loving (She offered to bring Carla, Ellen Holly's role over from One Life to Live when Rauch fired her but I think Ellen saw goign to a lower rated show as an insult). Jeremy's cross over, though they never really seemed to know what to do with him on Loving and his twin was pretty awful I thought, made sense too--he was a popualr character who literally had run out of stories and mates on AMC. Thanks for such good memories of the Brown/Esensen Loving era. I have a lot of 90s Loving muddled up in my mind. OK I'll agree with you it was a step backwards--but I'd argue, besdies some major cast departurs, probably from near the beginning B/E knew they were there essentially to clean house and move everyone to The City. Characters like Tony and Danny always felt introduced to me largely just so they could go on to The City. ANyway I actually at the time really liked all the dark Casey stuff, though I get your point. I didn't even remember Charles and Lorraine--all my Lorraine memories are her troubled pairing with Nick (Roscoe Borns) on City which I liked a lot. I do agree that Brown/Esensten seem best as brakdown writers--I hope they get a job in that capacity. That said I found the whole show during the serial killer storyline thrilling (I meant that that seemed to be the main purpose of their writing the show, even when they first came on it seemed to be building up to that), and while the first 6 months of The City were a mess (I heard ABC pressured them to spike the ratings by doing the Masquerader serial killer storyline but having a serial killer story on a new soap, some 5 months after you'd just had a great one on your old soap really was a poor idea), I thought once Tracey QUartermaine moved to the City it clicked. I saved the last 4 months of the show on video and rewatched it when I was pretty sick a couple of years back and still hold that opinion.

Jeremy also stopped thru Llanview on his way to COrinth from Pine Valley where he saved some of Dorian's paintings from a fire. I think COrinth?pine Valley just had more crossovers because Agnes Nixon was still more connected to them

But the serial killer plot was most of it. I remember it being quite good--but yeah that's basically all I can remember of if lol. Were they chosen solely cuz of their work on... Dynasty I trhink? I wonder where Burke came from

I'm pretty sure he said somethign similar in All Her Children--they also talk about their son playing a role

Wasn't Wisner a producer at AMC first? THey interview and talk to him a lot in the 1976 book All Her Children and I think he basically says he was there from the start. I think Wikipedia is kinda wrong with their AMC writing credits but it's hard to know. Certainly Agnes was VERY involved thru the early 90s--but there were periods where she went and wrote full time at Loving etc. Furthermore, despite what listings on here and Wikipedia say, in the actual TV credits Lorraine Broderick was HW for at least a few years in the 80s, as were others. Of course when the show would be nominated for an Emmy, Agnes would still lead the nomniation credit as head of the team (somethign I think she did thru the mid 90s even--) So it's hard to know...

And then when did B/E come in?

Ava going to Heaven seemed like a miniscule version fo Vicki on OLT's trip. LOL Still year, I was watching live then and Agnes fairly brief period was largely *great*--i think for a while it was my fave soap.

Well I did read in the 87 Schemering encyclopedia that the Jonathan Maitland character started off as apparantly very interesting and then suddenly went the campy devil route, so... Ellis prob did write the ep--it was just that Ava seemed SOO early Erica in it that I thought it was AGnes--I heard that it was under her breif return after Marland that she really became an Erica clone. I was always confused as to why Curtis burned down pins--I didn't get to watch everyday back then so... Still I really liked the whole Curtis in a cage bit--it was weird but was played well. I did love Egypt's return (even if she also was very Pine Valley--specifically Lyman's original Opal)

Oh I wanna see that *cry* lol

When was Ellis headwriter? Yeah Marland apparantly lasted just under a year. I 'd love to see some of that Maitland story--surely the first time Agnes dealt with the supernatural.

You're right it was Linden (God I suck at recognizing who played what in Loving lol)... I think I liked him more than th eoriginal Curtis (who I believe came back in 94 when AGnes Nixon wrote the bizarre story of Dante (played by the guy who plays Carlo Hesser) and his "pet" who was Curtis in a cage. Loved it

Apparantly Meg Mundy played it first for the pilot (and maybe some episodes) then Augusta Dabney from 83-91 and she returned 94-95, with inbetween Celeste playing from 91-92 and Pat Barry from 93-94 It's a treat to see ANY Loving episodes from the 80s--I didn't knwo the show or ever find old eps from before 91. I hope some more eps show up online. All I've seen are the pilot film, that 1984 episode, and this one

Was Agnes Nixon writing in Fall 1986? I know Marland was out mid 85... THe show already feels quite diff form that firs tyear episode. I always LOVED the Alden mansion set. Was that when the great Celeste Holm (from Oklahoma on Broadway etc etc) was playing the matriarch, Isabelle? I can't recognize her or not lol) *edit* my bad, that was the equally great AUgust Dabney, who i think returned to the role later on--man for a ten year long soap Loving had a LOT of recasts--I AM pretty sure that the Curtis Alden at the time was playe dby the GREAT Broadway actor Burke Moses -- also known for being in ATWT. Burke is prob best known for being the first stage Gaston in Beauty and the Beast but he's also done a lot of Sondheim musicals the Kiss me Kate revival, etc Roya as Ava certainly was even MORE like an Erica Kane clone than Lisa Peluso--I see why many found it beyond obvious when AGnes created the role.