EricMontreal22

Ah I loved how cheap Ringer looked. LOL

Because this is the way Perry writes women. Witness Tyler Perry's Temptation.

I believe you;'re right--that was all around the time I started watching--but maybe he exited with Galen?

This hasn't aired on Canadian OWN for some reason, so I can't comment, and it sounds like several people here who don't usually like Perry's stuff are enjoying this so far--though I can't help but think the moralizing will come soon just like it does with all of his melodramas--but is Perry credited as director and writer on every episode as Wiki says? Does he really write and direct so much of his work and not just have a factory of writers hiding under his name the way, say, the "authors" of The Hardy Boys or Sweet Valley High had?

With a very oddly coiffed patch of pubes judging by that bottom pic (that is NOT a treasure trail...) This is kinda old, but I caught a tiny bit of a late night rerun of the shortlived Canadian show Being Erica (I think SoapNet carried it for some reason for a bit) and Andrew Jackson, who was Dr Stephen Hammill on AMC was on it--he's aged pretty well. (Dr Stephen was with Gloria for a while--but never had major story that I remember.) I guess it makes sense, since he's a Canuck actor and apparently moved back here.

AH I only watched This Life a year or two back (loved it--hated the reunion movie) but knew I recognized him. I dunno, they all, including Dario who had a weird way of never being able not to sorthalf smile while talking, kinda creeped me out. In an attractive way, I guess.

Definitely two of my favorites--actor and character wise. I feel foolish for not recognizing her, off the bat (then again, I didn't recognize the red-head from Downton Abbey either.)

OMG. I knew Gendry was from Skins of course (the actor I mean,) but somehow couldn't place where Gilly was from.

You're right the Blackwater episode was very strong. I'm confused--sophomore is an AMerican term but wouldn't it mean the second season? (ie Clash?) I can't speak for the Newsroom writers--all I could hear from that show was Sorkin's voice, and I admit I'm simply not a fan, but I do see your point.

The showrunners script an awful lot of the episodes themselves. I wonder if that's a mistake. By no means would I drop them--from all I've read and mostly what I've seen they managed to make this viable in a way nobody else could figure out, but I wouldn't mind having a more varried staff. But that does not excuse Martin's own obligatory e one episode a season which always seem to have great highs and awful lows (dialogue wise, anyway) even though eh apparently starts writing them--or did the past two seasons--a year in advance.

Thanks! I couldn't remember if she had lines--it's fair then that someone who had no idea who she was wouldn't remember. Meh lots of Martin "fans" have lost respect with him for more ridiculous reasons. I didn't mean to sound so harsh with you--although I will say a lot of hardcore fans (more hardcore than myself) have accepted and even prefered a couple of the changes. In your post, you didn't give ANY reason for why the changes were "garbage" except that they weren't in the book. That's it. That's the worst kind of argument when arguing an adaptation, IMHO. Lazy, and makes someone come off as being simply unable to let go of the book (and dare I say, trying to feel special for being fan before they went "mainstream"--although when I started reading them about fiftee years back they really were about as big a hit in mainstream culture as thick histocial fantasy ever could be.) I am no placing you int hat category, but I did find it easy to dismiss your argument as simply bitter fan reaction simply because you gave no reason as to WHY it didn't work for you. Yes, showing us only the post reaction for that scenes was a poor choice. The torture scene was as gratuitous as anything I've seen in the show (the scene in this episode--not in the previous.) Oh and had awful dialogue from Martin. I agree the dialogue has been subpar all season, I think the overall storytelling for a very complex part of the series has been strong enough to overcome that, but I agree.

No, it was Little Finger--Sansa realized (or thought anyway) she missed one of her only chances of escape. Loras is still around I assume, both from the books and the fact that in the TV show his role seems to be amalgamated with those of his, in the show so far, unseen (or mentioned?) brothers so is needed. I had a complaint with some of the writing of this episode. I thought the Loras and Sansa scene talking about the wedding (I think it was this episode--I watched four all together, I was so behind, so they're a bit of a blur--was poorly written or directed. Loras not even being able to really fake much interest except when talking about pretty dresses seemed out of character for someone who I've always seen as pretty clever in his own way, and a bit too obvious some sort of gay stereotype or joke (I mean I'm pretty gay, but in a situation like that I could damn try harder.) Of course the show so far has been far more explicit when it comes to gay stuff than the books (even if there hasn't been much)--from the fact that Renly and Loras relationship was much more suggested in the books, onwards (some of this is due, no doubt, to the fact that in the books neither character is given a role as narrator, so it makes sense that those characters who do narrate wouldn't know the details.) Of course they also changed the way people discovered about Loras and Sansa's engagement by using that gay prostitute in the TV series (I sthink in the books it was a spy who befriended Sansa and she told.)

Which brings me to this. I think the one episode a season George R R Martin chooses to write himself usually are a mixed bag. And this one was no different. Some lovely juxtaposition and even changes from his own book, but his dialogue as spoken runs the gamut from embarrassing clichés (some of Jon's stuff made me sorry for the actor who managed to sorta pull it off), to some beautiful lines that would read gorgeously but are awkward when spoken, to some note perfect dialogue. I watched with a friend who hadn't read the books and, for the record, he was slightly confused about the whole Jaime thing--why he could go back, why Brienne was stuck there, etc. I think he's fairly bright so I'm not sure if he just missed some lines or it wasn't clear, but--he still got the gist. OK but the huge weakness was with the Theon scenes. I admit, I don't even remember the details from the book clearly as I read it what feels like ages back, so I can't compare the scenes, but considering Martin wrote the script, I'm gonna blame him here (but maybe the director and others are just to blame, who knows.) First off... We get it. The audience has gotten the point of the Theon stuff and really they could have just cut it down to several minutes and it would have had the same, if not more impact, IMHO. Granted, I hate torture porn, but in this case the violence WAS gratuitous. And so was the sex (granted not a first for the TV adaptation, though they've gotten better at it.) As my friend knew, as soon as Theon is woken by the two girls, it's obviously more of the torture (granted Theon himself felt this, but it wasn't cleverly done to make anyone think otherwise.) It went on WAY too long, when they could have devoted the time to other things, and it lost the shock value even of the end of the scene simply because of that, IMHO. A seriously misguided moment. Put more simplistically--we got the main material from the torture in the previous episode. This episode they could have really cut it by 3/4s (it seemed endless to me) as the nly real important part was the castration.

Exactly. One of the showrunners discussed before this season premiered how they tried to get more time but HBO simply couldn't afford it--the best they could do was they allowed most episodes to be 5+ more minutes than they had been int he past (which he claimed, with ten episodes, added up to basically one whole extra episode time wise which I think is overstating things, but...) As a big fan of adaptation done right--I think fans of the original source material always have to keep in mind the context of the adaptation. Well since most of this book will take place over 2 seasons, it is 20 episodes (but we've already been told other plot threads from later books will be weaved in--a wise mood because book four in particular suffers from being entirely focused on mainly less interestingcharacters.)

Sorry, I had to laugh. We really disagree. Books work differently than movies or TV--and can be denser and more complex. There is simply no way the books could continue to be adapted faithfully the way you want--due to budget, but also due to simply they would be too confusing. The show already is found to be confusing by many viewers--and I wouldn't criticize them for being "lowest common denominator"--it does take a lot more concentration for many to keep up with all the odd names, stories, etc. As a big fan of the books (well, at least book 3--I have some later issues) I think the job they are doing is still simply as much as I could ask for, and I find some of the changes in story have been brilliant. Besides, Martin approves. He seems to realize that changes have to be made. I think simply disliking the changes because they are different is short-sighted.

Finally caught up with the last few episodes--so I'll prob reply to a few posts. Selyse was in season 2--I think she even had some lines, but played by a different actress and barely mentioned.

His studio slogan is "Where even dreams believe" What a bunch of nonsensical crap. And he makes his cast and crew pray??

WOah! WHat was that story? And what's with the technicolor Gone with the Wind backdrop? I assume this was during Maralyn Thoma's brief HW stint.

I by no means worship Oprah, but I think she ultimately means well and has some smarts. Sometimes when she supports these things, and seems to see them as actually having moral weight, it just makes me wonder what goes on in her head...

Who was Norma? She doesn't seem like the usual type that Gwyn would hang with...

I love the two episode descriptions--which show that Candace (Tika's character?) is an evil, deceitful mistress who disobeys the married man cheating with her--oh and some person comes back from rehab but, of course, it didn't stick. Title Original air date[7] U.S. viewers (million) 1 "The Big Surprise"[8] May 28, 2013 (2013-05-28) TBA The Cryer family has prepared a surprise 50th birthday celebration for Jim but as he arrives, he is disheveled when he sees that his mistress, Candace, has become friendly with his daughter Amanda and is partaking in the festivities. Upon Wyatt's homecoming from rehab, the family is disheartened to see that he hasn't changed at all. 2 "Playing In The Deep End"[8] May 28, 2013 (2013-05-28) TBA Jim has repeatedly requested that Candace leaves the family's home, but she continues to disobey him by staying with Amanda. Hanna, the housekeeper, is startled when she stumbles upon Candace shuffling through Katheryn’s bedroom. Jim has a candid conversation with his best friend David about Candace's deceiving ways.

So umm, this is the show that was meant to be similar to Downton Abbey and Upstairs Downstairs? Man... Anyone know how many episodes it's scripted for? I agree that in an awful way it could maybe be campy fun like some of those awful telenovela experiments they tried (was it on MeTV?) but I just know there's gonna be a whole lot of preaching and moralizing thrown in that we didn't see in those clips. After Temptation, I wouldn't be shocked if he throws in another "AIDS punishes lustful women" side story. With all these projects how much control does Perry even have on story--or does he just hire people who can mimic his "voice?"

I had no idea (or had forgotten) that she did briefly return to the role...

He consulted at ABC Daytime in the late 90s--maybe around 97? I know he had harsh statements about The City (ones I disagree with) and for osme reason I wanna say otherwise he focused more on OLTL--though it doesn't sound like his ideas were really paid attention.

What were the circumstances of Larry coming on AMC?