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It fizzled out quickly. The third episode really wasn't all that necessary. They could have edited the good parts and fit it all in 2.

I wish there was a "like" option. Thank you. You're right I did see Abe in one of the preview posts around and I did catch Lani on a day I caught a bit of an episode. When I first started watching soaps what I noticed about Y&R was that they actually has a black family that was prominent. I knew who all these characters were and they actually seemed to serve a purpose and have things going on. I'm surprised Lily and Devon are still on because I would have recognized them right away, unless they're being played by new actors. Just probably weren't on much these past few weeks before repeats. I have not seen a single non-white face the weeks I watched BB. I remember a few years ago when I started following more regularly again there was the Avant family which was just being introduced. I also remember Rome Flynn was on but can't remember his character's name which I swear I read somewhere that his character was going to come out as gay but I don't remember that ever happening on the show unless that rumor completely made up. As for GH, I usually tune in and out right away or don't bother as there's an hour gap between the end of BB and GH and I start doing other things. So I was probably not paying attention.

Do any of the 4 remaining soaps even have a black or other minority family on the canvas currently? I'm trying to think of what I've seen the past few weeks and I can't think of any.

When I first started watching BB, I remember there being a Latino family. The Ramirez family was soon phased out and then I remember thinking for a few years after they were out that there wasn't any non-white characters (at least regular characters) until Maya was introduced. Did the BB have a fully integrated black family before the Avants?

I was going to mention the same, but I'm no expert. It seems to me that for a genre that was known for so many firsts in its early years, soaps stopped taking risks as far as representation, diversity and storytelling in the late 90s/2000s if not earlier. While primetime had started to show intimacy in gay characters and pushing the boundaries in the 90s, it took daytime until the 2000s to really push forward. I mean the first gay male kiss was in 2007 on a P&G soap nonetheless. By 2007 Will & Grace had ended it's original run, there were more gay characters on TV than before. If there was an audience that could handle a gay kiss it was the daytime audience IMO. They handled crazier stuff before without flinching. Diversity in soaps has been an issue for sure, especially lately. I think one problem with diverse characters in daytime and how they are represented comes down to a lack of diverse writers and storytellers in daytime. The same writers are recycled to repurpose and regurgitate and unfortunately you need diverse writers to tell stories that are authentic.

It's unfortunate that a show that has provided visibility for the LGBTQ+ community has also been plagued with so much racism. Although, maybe it was necessary so that there can be dialogue about race issues that are also found in the community. I didn't see any racist comments personally, but I did see some Jaida fans calling other fans out and saying that Gigi's fans for that behavior. I also saw a lot of comments saying Gigi should have won.

Was she the favorite to win? I didn't really watch this season, but I did see some crazy stuff on twitter.

I'll be honest. When I first saw Jaida's I was taken aback especially after watching Gigi's and Crystal's (not that Crystal's was very good IMO), because it's the one that looked like she just recorded it at home. The other girls had backgrounds or other elements that distracted from the fact they had to do these at home. Jaida pulled up in her living room and started dancing with all her furniture on display. However, after watching a second time, she did deliver with moves and a good lip sync, it was just so distracting because it looked like a Tik Tok video.

Thank you, frenchfan! These are amazing.

I was flipping through a magazine and it had an ad for the show Greenleaf on the OWN network and on the ad it had two huge letters "GL". I have never seen it promoted this way or abbreviated as such, but the show from my understanding does have a central family connected with a megachurch. Considering Springfield is rural Midewst, I can definitely see a Guiding Light reboot with the addition of a faith based family. While I don't believe I reboot would work, I would love to see some of the characters again, even for a 85th anniversary movie or miniseries to play out a new story or updates on what's been happening in Springfield.

I believe these ran at the start of the episodes. Many of the episodes I watched during this blackout storyline from 1992 included them and they were always at the very beginning. Also, the episodes that had commercials had the promos with the commercials and they didn't look like these character summaries. There was one for Gilly, Lujack, Mindy and a few other characters. I tried searching to find out if other CBS soaps were doing the same or why GL was airing these (possibly as an attempt to lure viewers and give them a bit of background).

I have been watching the 1992 blackout episodes and while searching for the first episode of the blackout, I noticed that GL had intros at the beginning of many episode with character summaries. Does anyone know if this was GL specific or if the other CBS soaps were doing something similar as well at the time. Here's an example:

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I haven't watched this season of NY partly due to Bethanny being gone. I feel that Bethanny brought a balance to the show that balanced the craziness of the other women. I'm not saying that Bethanny is some beacon of stability but her crazy was different from the likes of Ramona, Sonja, Tinsley and Luann. The women that usually provided more of a balance in seasons past are gone now and I think it's just too much with the current cast. I honestly didn't even watch because I assumed it would just be too much, but I may be wrong. RHOBH: I don't understand why it's so hard for these women to understand that Denise didn't want these grown ass women to talk about sex while her children and other people's children were present. Then the whole not having kids at an adult party. Honey, you should up at Denise's house as soon as you saw kids there and they had a table, it's not an adult party. Yes, she may have mentioned her husband's penis but she whispered it and she told the women to lower their voices but of course they were extra. Also, the hypocrisy is too much. Kyle didn't want it mentioned that Mauricio smoked pot a few seasons ago because of her kids and Rinna sure loves to stir the pot so the attention isn't on her and her husband. She sure flipped out when Kim tried to say something about her husband, but wants to ask Denise whether her kids know about Charlie's hookers.

Those are amazing demos for AMC. BB really took off.

You're absolutely right. I just checked and the HH point decreased from 1990/91 season to the 1991/2 season. The fact that no year was listed and I knew off the top of my head that a HH point in 91/92 was equal to 921,000, I thought this was for 93 and looked up the value and it matched. It's unusual that the value goes down, but I should have confirmed. 1990/91 a HH point equals 931,000 1991/92 a HH point equals 921,000 1992/1993 a HH point equals 931,000

I believe those ratings are for 1993. A HH point for the September '92 to Aug./Sept. 93 season was equal to 931,000. The Sept. '91 - '92 season was 921,000. Edit: This is in fact 1991. My apologizes. A HH point for September 1990 - August 1991 and September 1992 - August 1993 were equal to 931,000 as you see at the bottom of that page. The HH point from September 1991 - August 1992 was equal to 921,000.

That's true that the ratings weren't great, but considering there's been little success with new soaps since the 70s with the exception of LOV, AMC, Y&R and BB - none have lasted more than a decade (SB months shy of making it) and Loving wasn't exactly a ratings success. NBC's issues started in the 80s (actually a bit sooner in the late 70s) when its once strong lineup completely collapsed. Another World, The Doctors, Days of Our Lives all performing solidly for most of the 70s start seeing decreases in the late 70s and then big dips in the early 80s. NBC trying to stay competitive for the next two decades tried new soaps none with much success and unfortunately usually at the hindrance of its established soaps. NBC would have done better doing more to save its failing lineup than with the new soaps. SuBe was an expensive failure that I'm surprised didn't scare off NBC from ever trying a new soap again. While Passions performed well in the younger demos (it wasn't exactly doing as amazingly as some claim), it was far from a ratings success and never did surpass AW in season averages in total viewers even AWs lowest rating last season. Either way, by the mid 90s it may have been too late to save AW anyway. Even the success of Days' possession storyline did little to help AW. I guess all this to say, if NBC spent more time trying to fix its lineup as it did trying to replace it to be competitive with the other two networks, it may have faired better in the end.

Agree! I see some great questions pop up on the chat and I hope that he would ask some of them.

I can get Alan's frustration as he's hoping these work out smoothly for his sake and the audience, and I know the tech issues have been annoying in the past but I was thoroughly entertained with Kristi's antics today, talking over people, her reaction and logging on and off again. She seems sweet however. I didn't mind it. Besides, Alan could have prevented all of this so it's not entirely her fault. Also, sometimes Alan doesn't know how to follow up or continue the dialogue and there's awkward moments in conversation because of that and I'm like oh no...someone say something. Yes, I watched that one as well and they were definitely ready to spill. I mean that's the reason I watch these anyway, I want to know what was happening behind the scenes, how actors got along good and bad, funny moments, etc.

It's such a hot mess. Was it just me or did Michael seems annoyed at one point too. I just think Kristi is also a bit tech challenged and doesn't know wtf is going on...I'm laughing at all this.

I mean probably very unlikely, but it would be awesome to get an 85th anniversary movie to just see all the characters back in action. I miss them. Probably, very unlikely but considering most of the long running soaps ended in the last 20 years, and 85 is a big one would be nice even a more fitting reunion would be okay. Considering nothing was done for AW's 50th...not that I'm aware, this probably is a long shot.

I know...lol. She's all over the place and I kind feel bad. They should do some sort of test run.