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Thank you. Well, I've started season 2 now and I am curious to see what that looks like and how it will differ from season 3.

All I kept thinking was how someone mentioned here that TMG takes some liberties with her dialogue and what if she went a little extra in this scene and the dude in the back wasn't expecting all that.

I have a question for Knots fans. When did the series turn to long form soap opera storytelling or multi-episodic arcs? I just started and finished the first season and the episodes are mostly self contained with the exception of the final two episodes of the season with the second being a continuation of the first. There are elements and bits and pieces that overlap between episodes that create a thread but overall stories are pretty confined to the one episode with a clear beginning, middle, and end. Having watched all of Dallas, I know it too started off with self contained episodes and eventually shifted to more season long storytelling. I know Knots also makes that transition, but having not watched all of the series...I am curious when this happens and how fans view season 1 or earlier seasons of the show.

I really didn't need this Dani and Andre situation to take this direction right now. I could have been spared seeing them go to bed for the 100th time. We hardly get any love scenes, but we have seen Dani and Andre at it multiple times and lord knows how many times we need to flashback to Vanessa and Joey. Also, NuTed is an all around idiot. Did he really drive Leslie home? Like boy, you just keep getting played and buy into the manipulation. Ashley was pushing it with her attitude today, but surprisingly since came across as bratty and intolerable.

I agree. Leslie has been pushing, pushing, pushing relentlessly and Nicole has let it slide. Eventually, you can only take so much.

Is Tehddd-dy /Dana voice out of his damn mind? Why is he going off on Eva for this accreditation stuff? She literally just got the job. Something this important should have been reviewed by him or followed up by Kat. His annoyance is completely misplaced. Even though Kat set Eva up, it still doesn't make sense for Ted to be mad at Eva. If something as serious as accreditation was going to lapse that soon between change of hands in positions than the blame lies solely on Ted and Kat. 1) because Ted should have let Eva know about it if it was now going to be her responsibility especially knowing damn well she had no one to properly train her and 2) this should have been Kat's responsibility to follow through with in the first place or delegate it to someone else knowing she was just going to up and leave that job. It honestly didn't make any sense.

Wow...interesting that you feel that way, because I don't see it at all. As for chemistry on the show, I do feel it with Dani and Bill, Naomi and Jacob to an extent (more so I believe they love and care for one another), and that's about it.

Right, but is that the narrative we are to believe or are we supposed to actually think Andre is right in this situation? If they decide to push the idea that Andre fell back on his f boy ways, because he got scared when he realized that it was serious when Dani is telling people and his Aunt Nicole called him out on his past behavior, then cool. However, it seems like the show really wants us to believe that Andre truly thinks Ashley is this magnificent and incredible woman. He has been infatuated since the birth in the elevator. But there is such a contrast between what he thinks is so amazing and what we as viewers have seen...she is a brat, she is emotionally dysregulated but so is Dani, and she is bland. We don't know what the writers have in store, but are they going to have Andre come to the same realization or are we really to believe Ashley is so great. They need to drop that 5k deposit nonsense. A 5k deposit is not suspicious in 2025, especially from a professional with a decent paying job. DC cops with years in service, the level of experience as Malone, and senior positions bring in way more than 5k a month. Selling old cars or other valuable items could generate that money or passive streams of income. Yes, sure it was in cash, but it isn't something extremely concerning. If it was occurring multiple times then sure. Now, the 500k cash deposit is a red flag. I wish they had at least made the other deposit larger like 50k. Which police officer would risk their livelihood for 5k. That's nothing in the grand scheme of things. One thing if Joey said I can give you 100k now and 509k when you finish the job, but 5k?

Andre is so ugh! He is also wrong in this situation. I couldn't stand Andre from the start, which is an unpopular opinion, but he just does nothing for me. He is supposed to be some playboy, which was brought up by Ashley and Dani again both yesterday and today, but he moves like Eeyore in Playboy drag. For starters (on yetserday's episode), it was cringy when he asked Ashley what he can keep doing, because she hadn't looked over at Derek and Shanice for a while. Smooth as sandpaper for someone who is supposed to be a Smooth Operator /Sade. So whack! Also, what is he even talking about with Dani? Saying she's not clear with her intentions when we have seen her be very open and honest with him. She also told her sister and daughter about their relationship, which he practically forced the idea on her...and for what? When Nicole questioned him what he wanted with Dani, he, himself, said that he wasn't sure and that they were figuring that out. So, why the pressure? Also, both are too damn grown to be telling family they are with someone to not even be in a committed relationship. Unless, you have defined whatever the hell you are doing, your families do not need to know all that business. Dani just got out of a messy and chaotic divorce and he hasn't had a real relationship probably ever, so again...why all the pressure on his end? If he really cares that much for Dani why not give her the time? Why not keep things under wraps and allow each other to date around? But to force her to tell people, just to go try and mess around with other women is not cute. Then the worst offense is his infatuation with Ashley. I was so glad Dani said what we were all thinking. Ma'am is basic. I am like please tell me these writers aren't trying to have us believe that Ashley isn't anything but. Either make Andre an f boy and have him own it or don't have him move this way. He really thought he was in the right. Dani should have said some of that energy she had for Danielle to eat Andre up too.

I haven't watched yet, but personally I like the version "makes warm milk look spicy," but LOL either way 😆

I'm joking, but the way Ashley reacts to minor things, I can see girl spiraling if anything major ever came her way.

Derek needs to propose to Shanice and Andre drops Ashley for Dani (gets her pregnant) leading Ashley to spiral and do some unhinged stuff at the hospital to get back at Shanice and Dani like stealing a baby for Hayley and finding ways to make Shanice look bad on the job. Ultimately Ashley loses her job for whatever stunt she pulls on Shanice (but the baby stealing isn't uncovered) pushing her to escort at her daddy Joey's other business. Ashley gets taken by some shady character who gets really rough and she is found dead.

That was my thought too. Especially, when he texted Martin to meet him at Orphey's apparently. Someone clearly wants you dead and you're just out at the park playing chess and now you're at a very popular establishment. Sure being around others might keep you alive for a minute, but where you going to next once everyone knows your whereabouts.

Now, what in the stranger danger...what 16 year old is inviting a 30-something stranger into their home like that? Also, if Kenny is so dangerous why wouldn't Martin just tell his son about it. I think as a parent, your child's safety supersedes keeping some vague secret you barely even know about. Also, he is old enough to understand and it's not like Martin knows enough details to get Tyrell entangled in any of it. Ashley has some nerve. Girl is out here on a date with the man she told Derek he had nothing to worry about when it was clear she had these feelings for him, yet she wants to get touchy that Derek is on a date as well. Sorry, not sorry. Shanice actually made Derek tolerable. Meanwhile, Ashley is still 😴 and ewww at Andre blowing smoke up his own ass...there's many surprises or whatever he had to say after Ashley patted him on the back for donating the money from his paintings in honor of his parents who are funding his carefree lifestyle. No wonder he loves Ashley...they are both in the running for Sainthood. The cringe factor is high with this one. "Sometimes you just got to splurge...budget be damned. Am I right?" Martin strutting across Orphey Gene's....yaaassssss. This man loves to strut and chase after his Kenny!!! First at the country club and now at Orphey's. A few more of these, and I'm going to need someone to create a gif stringing all of these together...with the caption "Gay Men Lesuirely Walking Anywhere." I hope Dani really lets Andre have it. He deserves it. How's he going to beg for Dani to be open about their relationship to take Ambien out on a date. Neither one is young enough to believe that if you are telling people about your relationship, especially family, that you are still open.

I haven't watched today's episode yet, but I never understood it to be that Andre lost his parents at a young age. My take away was that he was older, but Nicole and Ted were there for him and almost took on that parental role in some capacity, but not in raising him because he was already grown.

Yesterday's return was fine. I feel that the week-long wait built some anticipation, but the episode didn't meet that expectation or deliver anything too exciting. Not that it wasn't a decent episode, but it might have felt different had we not waited so long. Waiting to see what plays out today.

I will have to respectfully disagree and say that IMO those are the things that are definitely not working on this soap. Nonetheless, I agree that BTG is it's own soap and should be able to create its own identity. Making the majority of the cast family was also a misstep. Unfortunately, her role has been to pout to her man about the women Duprees and how she isn't welcome in the community or love scenes with Bill. That might change with the baby situation.

I can't imagine what CBS would want from a new soap. Did it believe BTG would be closer to BB and YR's numbers out the gate? I highly doubt they were that delusional. BTG has remained pretty stable since week 3. It would be silly to assume that numbers wouldn't drop off a bit from a big premiere, but it has been hovering at that 1.5 mil range. Obviously, the scary thing with soaps is when they begin to seep....drop and drop steadily over time. I just want BTG to show some growth. I also wish we knew what CBS was thinking.

So how would a week of repeats remedy this situation?

I'm more pissed that a proper explanation wasn't given. It was such a sloppy move all around. From not warning viewers, airing the premiere week which was a bad move IMO, to keeping mute on the reason. Even if it was a BTS issue give a fake excuse and say we are airing the first week for those who missed it. To my point of reairing premiere week, it is already the most watched week, why air it again. It received the most promotion out of any other week with months of aniticipation. Anyone that REALLY wanted to tune in did or has made the effort to at least stream somewhere. If they aren't watching or still watching it's for other reasons. Doesn't help that the first episode was pretty slow for a premiere and the first week was filled with production flaws. Honestly, they should have aired key episodes to help those not fully invested get hooked and understand the main plot points so they could continue on next week knowing what was going on. Also, if this has to do with a BTS issue than great. I'm all for not airing all the dirty laundry and causing uproar where there need not be, but don't blindside the viewer and not acknowledge or inform them ahead of time. This was just so poorly done and it only harms the show.

I've watched every day since BTG premiered. I am invested and I want this soap to succeed if not simply for my love of this genre. This is the first time in close to 20 years that I have watched a soap this consistently. Maybe the sets don't bother me much, because it's already an improvement over what I was seeing in the final years of GL. Overall, I agree that the pacing of the stories, the decision to rotate stories in and out, the lack of more classic soap elements like music cues and cuts to commercial have been a challenge. Like you I don't necessarily dislike this rotation of stories, but it can feel strange when it seems like something has been dropped. The big one for me right now is does or doesn't Dani have a drinking problem? Has this been dropped or is it a case of a story that will come up again soon. I don't mind the complaining, probably because I am critical myself and it seems like yours comes from a genuine place.

I think the urgency and stakes for stories are my biggest issue as well right now. Personally, it doesn't bother me that they're always at Orphey Gene's or Uptown and while it would be nice to have more sets I know that this isn't always possible with budget constraints, but it isn't distracting to me either...at least not yet.

Since y'all brought generations up, I watched the premiere yesterday because of a conversation on this forum about how well soaps that premiered post-B&B have faired and failed. Now, I didn't know what to expect but I was stunned when that lady came rolling down the stairs like that. It looked so dumb, but I was invested and then the gag was that it was a soap within a soap. 😃 I bust out laughing. As for BTG's longevity, who's to really say at this point. It is extremely early to tell, but it sure was a dumb move to air repeats this week. It's not only the airing of repeats, but the blatant disrespect for viewers that tune in regularly and not to even run promos letting fans know. Compound that with the fact the other two soaps on the network are still airing new episodes.

I'm not being completely serious. I was just shocked when I saw the bag. It felt very dated and out of character for two young stylish entrepreneurs. I work with teen girls and I couldn't imagine them thinking that bag was it. Trends come and go and they come back around, but that just doesn't feel now nor does it feel like a bag I would want to design a whole company around. I keep calling it an 80s prom clutch or purse, because it just feels old and not in a classic way and deifnitely not an innovative way. Like the chain strap with the sequins and the bow didn't feel fresh. If they changed the strap or even the shape, but I was shocked to see it when the fashion show came around. Maybe I was just expecting something less formal and more atheleisure and they came out in dresses and that underwhelming bag. But I mean here's a 1987 prom catalog with a sequin bag and metallic strap.

Look, I wasn't impressed at the time. I'm not going to lie. However, with the right budget and some proper creative tooling, it can be a great way to have an outdoor space. Okay, I'm just gonna take it back. The gala I let slide, but that fashion show took me completely out of the fantasy. There wasn't enough extras, the show was literally two seconds long and showcased well a bag...or a prototype. I was shocked honey, I was in tears almost...not a single 80s prom purse.