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I agree with you there, but that storyline seems in keeping with daytime's obsession with turning rapists into anti-hero love interests. Although, the Dash storyline went overboard even for that. The Dash stuff was so unnecessary because Gibbs and Grahn had real chemistry. Why ruin it? It was so odd to me. I will never understand SB's obsession with rape storylines. While I'm glad Marcy Walker got her emmy, I could have done without the rape storyline. The identity of the rapist made it even more icky (being vague for those who may be watching the story on yt). Was there one female character on SB who was not raped?

I think keeping Todd on the show really harmed OLTL. I could never get fully interested in the show because they kept on the serial rapist who had participated in such a vicious attack. It cheapened the whole story and then Carlivati cheapened it even more with the reraping of Marty.

I heard a recent-ish interview with Sharon Gabet where she complained about the same thing--Brittany's personality and motives changed episode to episode. She never knew who she was meant to be playing.

Such a shame that Shout Factory appear to not be releasing any more parts of the show. IS the show available anywhere else--on one of the classic t.v. channels?

That is insane--all that money spent for nothing. They should have just had Kim Rhodes play Victoria and Cindy. Rhodes would have been great as Vicky.

Very true. Thanks for the laugh. I never got her appeal on AW.

Ellen Wheeler was a terrible producer, but she was phenomenal as MArley/Victoria. When she returned towards the end of AW, she blew JEnsen Buchanan off the screen.

I never liked Justin Deas on GL. PErhaps, I blame his salary for Ellen Parker's firing, but it's really because I thought the character was not needed. He came on with a ridiculous accent and took over the show. I never cared about him, and I would have fired him right away if I had been a EP. Didn't care for Buzz/Jenna (thought she could have done much better) or any pairing he had.

Has Bravo or Andy Cohen made a good casting decision recently? It's as if they are purposely trying to kill the shows the way soap execs killed the soaps.

I've been rewatching some the Eden/Cruz/Robert Barr storyline, and I was startled by how Robert manhandles Eden and then I remember the cave scene with Cruz and Eden. Why didn't someone rewrite this considering Eden's rape? I know SB was known for its rape storylines, but wow, it's shocking how they didn't think it was bad idea to put Eden through this stuff.

Are there any videos of Rhonda as Vicky on Youtube?

Someone has uploaded Garcelle Beauvais's appearances on Star Search from 34 years ago. Here's the first one (it's her second appearance as she won in the last episode of the previous season): Beauvais and Star Search Beauvais appears at the 9:18 mark.

I guess I'm missing the nastiness. I only watched this season, and I thought Karen was the one who was always initiating problems and being difficult in relation to Gizelle. Even if Gizelle was nasty towards her (and Karen didn't seem particularly bothered by Gizelle at season three reunion), this is a reunion. I don't need Karen piping up every minute or so to say something anti-Gizelle when that's not the subject under discussion. I got it the first time. It got to the point where I was hoping they would cut off her mike. Andy was even trying to call out Karen on some of her hypocrisy. I'm aware that everyone here adores Karen, but I find her exhausting when it comes to Gizelle. As for Monique, I forget she's even there most times. I'm assuming she was more interesting last year when she was labeled a drunk.

RHOP: I know people on here love Karen, but she strikes me as very Kyle-esque. She's constantly going on about how Gizelle is vicious and hits below the belt, but she couldn't shut up about Gizelle during the reunion. Gizelle would be asked a question or be talking something that had nothing to do with Karen and KAren would have to make a snide comment or insult her. She also did that housewife thing where she kept saying Gizelle needed a man to calm down. Karen kept breaking the rhythm of the reunion because she would not stop insulting Gizelle. Karen was getting on my nerves. I like the Karen who goes after Ashley and Michael because it's about something real , but the Karen who plays victim with Gizelle is annoying as hell. It feels very contrived.

RHOBH: I don't think RHOBH ever recovered from the nastiness of season four. It also does not help that Andy is a terrible interviewer and the reunions are useless since nothing ever gets resolved and people like Kyle and Erika never have to take responsibility for what they've done/not done. The shows might be so much better if Andy were not involved in any way in the production end. RHOC: Am I the only one who find Shannon unbearable? I can't figure out which franchise has the most unlikeable people: RHOC or RHOBH.

Paley was already established on the show before Penberthy was fired.

I think a lot of performers and writers don't have the same reaction to JFP that most viewers do. I'm reminded of Erika Slezak raving about JFP's tenure on OLTL which surprised me since the women characters became so dumb and desperate under JFP. These actors and writers don't get (or choose not to get) how much JFP ruined so many soaps for viewers. As a viewer, she ruined AW, GL and OLTL for me.

Robyn has every right to respond to Katie and I think her post was tame in comparison to Katie's comments. I'm a new viewer to Potomac, but as far as I've been watching, Robyn has always talked about her finances and trying to get them in order. She's not Dorit-ing or Jayne-ing her way through the show. Plus, doesn't production pay for all of this? Katie comes across as a nut job. Would Katie be saying any of this if she had been invited to the reunion? I highly doubt it.

What have Erika's contributions to the show actually been? Pantygate? Sniper from the snide? I don't care about glam squads and autotuning so I never liked her. It was perfectly obvious she came on to do Yolanda's dirty work, and their "friendship" was manufactured. Yolanda knew nothing about Erika and vice versa. Erika always has such a nasty attitude. There's no point to her being there. I remember her first season the tides turned and viewers wanted Kathryn and were less interested in Erika, but Andy was so far up Erika's ass that he kept her. She should have been a one season HW because she has done nothing. Teddi was universally slammed. The viewers loathed her so why is she still on the show? I really think it's time for Bravo to fire Andy Cohen. He's a terrible interviewer (The Southern Charm reunion was an absolute mess) and he makes mistake after mistake. RHOP: Gizelle just amuses me. I enjoy her. I'm not bothered by her. Ashley I find "toxic" (the buzzword) because she's fake and manufactured. She did that whole father thing for sympathy. The man blocked her on facebook, and she thinks going down with cameras is going to make him open up? Please. She did to shift focus. We all know that. It makes her all the more disgusting when she's going after someone who has been raped. Ick.

I understand what Carlton is saying. Kyle came across as fake and guarded. She has that plastic way of greeting and responding to people. I loved Carlton's dislike of Kyle; it made me like her even more. I think Carlton's real problem was that she was aligned too much with Brandi and too much of the edit was about sex which turned viewers off. This also goes to show what a hypocrite Kyle is. She blasted LVP for not wanting to film with everyone, but she refused to film with Carlton. LVP v. Brandi: Brandi's sit down with Schaena made Brandi. I think that's what Brandi could never get over. She would have to be grateful to LVP. I never got why Brandi was upset with Schaena. Schaena didn't marry you and promise to be faithful to you. Your husband did. Yolanda had one good season and then her true colours came out.

I can't stand Bethenny 2.0 but I can see why Jill's scenes would be cut to please her. Jill was an absolute nightmare in season three, and she did her best to try to sabotage Bethenny and her spinoff. I wouldn't want her on the show either. However, it does show what a stranglehold Bethenny had on the show and like you, I'm glad she's gone. I don't want to see Jill return though.

The judge in the case said they are still married: https://pagesix.com/2019/08/23/bethenny-frankel-and-jason-hoppy-are-still-legally-married/

I'm confused. How can Bethenny get married if she's still married to Jason?

Most people seem to think Bethenny leaving is bad for RHONY, but weren't the ratings low? I remember someone posted them here and RHOBH was much higher. If I recall, Southern Charm was even beating RHONY. Am I wrong about that?

RHONY:I'm glad Bethenny is leaving. I may watch full time now. I couldn't stomach Bethenny 2.0 and it'll be nice to see the show without Andy Cohen feeling the need to prop up Bethenny at every opportunity. BTW, I thought seasons five and six were wonderful (although five took a few episodes). I'm glad I saw season three recently because now I understand why people like Bethenny. I like that version but not the Bethenny we have now. I watched OC last night and I don't know why as I don't care about any of these women. I know I should feel something for Gina, but Gina's revelations means she's another OC hypocrite since she went after Shannon at the reunion for holding stuff back and not being honest. IT also felt like a power move in her custody hearing to bring this out now. She was mean to Emily about her problems when she said something like "Your problems are going to sound so stupid." Who does that? Bronwyn is talking about her daughter, and it's something incredibly sad so of course victim Shannon has to make it all about her. I know people like Shannon but I can't get behind her. On an off topic note, Shannon and Vicki need to take a grammar class. It drives me nuts when they say things like "I seen." The whole "train" discussion was so contrived and ridiculous. It felt like Vicki conspired with Shannon and Tamra to get back at Kelly. At this point, it's just vicious since they know it will harm Kelly's daughter. Perhaps, that's why I can't get behind the show. Vicki has done truly horrific things and the show wants us to just forget this. I think because she never got her comeuppance (although I suppose the demotion could be seen that way) there is always this elephant or pig in the scene.