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Thank you for the background info. IT does put things in context, but I think one of the big problems with the Dobsons' return is they had complete disregard for the fans who stuck with the show during their absence. The Dobsons wanted to right every "wrong" they saw with the show, but they ended up giving the finger to longtime SB viewers. It's one thing to want to fix a show, but it's another to do it in such a way that you're alienating the existing audience. Pamela Long did more damage, but it wasn't a show she created. The Dobsons should have protected their creation even if it meant keeping material from previous regimes.

I think Jessica Morris is underrated. I think she should have been Emmy nominated when she found out about her father's death. Wasn't there all kinds of gossip about Browne during his OLTL tenure? I always wondered why he was let go.

The way they treated Heather still makes me angry. They purposely edited her out and cut out context to make her look bad (ex. being upset about losing a nanny when it was about her son who had special needs). Some viewers fell for it, and it drives me nuts when viewers fall for the editing. Despite the way the editing went, Heather was responsible for the big stories that year.

Because Erika was seen as the hot new thing, and Kathryn repeated what Erika said on camera, and the fans were momentarily upset. By the end of the season, Kathryn was better liked than Erika, but Bravo was still going by the initial reaction. I also think they thought Kathryn would be more confrontational with Faye. I thought Kathryn really fit in while Erika did her normal sucking on a lemon face. Andy and Bravo were constantly pushing Erika.

And it wasn't even really hers. She was more of a supporting character in the only storyline she had. That says everything about her contributions to the show. Does anyone really care about her ridiculous glam squad and her dressing like a first episode castoff from Drag Race? I still say Kathryn should have been the one to get a second season and not Erika.

Erika has always been boring. Teddi at least is partially responsible for some drama, and we got the Teddy boring scene. What does Erika bring? They need to break up the RHOBH coven if they want the show to thrive. Enough is enough.

That was a HUGE blunder. Garland could have taken over for Walker, and the show could have rebounded because audiences adored her. The Dobsons and Rauch took everything the viewers liked and got rid of it, and added people and stories no one cared about. Conboy made such bizarre blunders (Julia's rape was never needed; the weird story with Ric and the Harlan stuff; the director story with Sophia that didn't really go anywhere) but he brought on the Quinn/Flame stuff which everyone liked. I also was a fan of the Laura/Annie/Bunny stuff which got more wacky during his time. I think he could have righted the ship if his worst excesses had been curbed. I know Mulcahey loathes him, but I think Conboy was the last time the show worked for the most part.

@Capridge I agree with you for the most part, but I do think Flame/Michael worked quite well. I think it was the only relationship that worked during their stint because the characters were not dumbed down to make the plot work. The Dobsons seemed to like writing for Flame so it's a shame the backstage stuff got in the way. I wonder sometimes if the Cruz/Suzanne stuff was the Dobsons getting back at A. MArtinez for supporting Phelps. It plays that way to me.

Is the Julie Poll book the only history of the show? I ordered the Lemay book, but I wondered if there were other books written about the show's history.

I don't know what happened during the Dobsons' return, but I wish they hadn't mucked it up so much. I liked what they did with Flame and Michael, but that didn't last long because of the Born/Rauch fight. I wonder what would have happened if there were a different producer.

Wasn't the restaurant scene where she misidentified a black man for a staff member? I thought it was extremely offensive at the time if I'm remembering correctly. Alex was not treated well by Bravo. She was the right brand of kooky without the viciousness that Sonja has for instance. She was not a middle ground, and in watching season three, I really liked her friendship with Bethenny. @Chris B is right. Dorinda was horrible in her first season. She went after Heather for no reason. It was really bizarre how hateful Dorinda became over nothing.

I'm no fan of Jill's, but I would take her over Dorinda and Sonja. Dorinda is just the most hateful person. Jill self-sabotaged during the third season, but Dorinda is so much worse. IT would have been nice to have Jill back and I'd like to see Alex as well. I think getting rid of Alex was a huge mistake now that I've gone back and watched seasons 3-4. You need a liaison between the nutters and the relatively sane ones.

I think they had five cast members when they put Aviva on probation so it was Heather, Sonja, Ramona, Kristin, and Carole.

I always liked Justin Klosky on GL. I'm easy to please. You put an attractive dark-haired man on my screen and I'm happy. I know Conboy's tenure gets a lot of flack (deservedly so--Maryann and the destruction of Alex come to mind) but I found it watchable which is more than I can say about EW's tenure.

I'm confused. Didn't TS go on and on about how she never wanted to be associated with RPDR and she didn't want fans even mentioning the show to her? What is her obsession with Raven? It's all so disturbing. I'm sure Vixen and Kennedy Davenport can talk about the racism in the drag race fandom.

You're probably right, but a plot is much more enjoyable to think about. I do think they have to do something about the Brandi situation or else they look like total posers which they are, but they could at least pretend to be otherwise.

I hope Nene does leave. The woman has shown herself to be absolutely vile while black Americans are being murdered left and right. I think they should hire two wives. One wife who can't stand Porsha (or vice versa) and one from Cynthia's past. Not surprising that Porsha is in favor of a Nene return since she has no story besides her BLM protests and I doubt HW viewers will want to relive the beginning of the Atlanta BLM protests when the show comes back especially as it could be a depressing reminder that things only got worse or it could be a reminder that change did happen. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the fans want the personal drama rather than real talk about racism. Am I being too hard on the HW fans? We all know Dennis is a cheater, so Porsha will try to hide that on the show. She's already fought with her sister and Shamea. She's accused Kandi of rape and drugs.She fought Cynthia. She fought with Kenya. I suppose she could turn on Tanya but that doesn't seem likely. Dorinda did say on Cynthia Bailey's IG live that they had not been able to edit the pickup interviews on RHONY. I'm with Taoboi. I think the RHOBH shutdown is more about Denise coming across so well while Kyle, Erika and Lisa R. look absolutely vile. The network protects those three for some reason. They also have Brandi coming on, and if they are serious about getting rid of bigoted people, they will cut her out as much as possible.

ISn't that why a lot of the viewers watch them? I don't think most viewers look to the HW shows for examples of sanity and compassion. I think this whole situation is extremely complicated. I think there are so many factors involved. The viewers for instance. Max and Brett's racist tweets were pretty much a nonstory for most of the season. A majority of the viewers still watched the show. I usually just watch the reunions so didn't watch this season but my sense is that the biggest problem for viewers is that B/M came across as a-holes without the tweets added in. Also, when is someone forgiven/excused for past bigoted behavior? Their tweets were a decade ago. I don't care about Brett and Max, but if people have shown growth (assuming this in a general sense), why are we going back ten years? The world would be a depressing place if we didn't allow people the chance to change their ways. It's not the same thing at all, but the whole nonsense about criticising Tyra Banks for talking about someone's looks on a modelling show. There was all this outrage about something that happened a decade or so ago. It also feels that the very people who would go after someone for 10 year old tweets are the very people staying silent about Nene's tweets and Porsha'a anti-gay past. If we're going to be fair about biogtry, why wasn't Porsha immediately fired? She preached hate and she used anti-gay rhetoric to get back at her ex.The same with Nene. Nene's BLM tweets are a week old. This isn't something ten years ago. Kristin and Stassi's behavior was recent and Stassi in particular gloated about what she did. While I don't find Faith credible at all (she even backpedaled on her LVP claims and deleted pro-T**mp tweets to make herself look better), they deserved to be fired. Are the people who are going after VPR going to go after Brandi's racist behavior towards Asians? Marlo calling someone a F*ggot? Brandi G's racist remarks to and about Joyce? Luann's blackface? I feel as if a lot of the fans participate in this. This is the same fan base that calls for Phaedra to come back after accusing someone of wanting to rape and drug someone. This is the same fan base that think it's ok for Nene to physically attack a cameraman. The same ones who made excuses for Vicki's cancer scams. The fans can be very toxic.

Bravo has always had a white cast problem. They've always allowed racism and homophobia to go unchecked. If we're going to fire everyone for being a racist, saying something racist, being a homophobe, saying something homophobic, who does that leave us with on the bravo reality shows? Ariana from VPR Kandi, and Cynthia Bailey???? Don't most viewers watch these shows for the lunatic women and men? Most sane and evenhanded people are not going to want to go on these reality shows especially as the fans call them boring. These shows have a fanbase where a woman can falsely accuse another women of wanting to rape and drug another woman, and fans continue to call for her to be brought back to the show because she's "funny" and "gives good reads." We all know why they've never had any housewives of color on RHOC or RHONY (save for Jules). Instead of firing everyone, I think they should stop editing these people as kooky or funny. Let them reveal themselves the way they did with Leeann. They need to stop protecting the racist and homophobes--let's not forget that Bravo was behind the Stassi and Beau positive edit.

The tweet was the hashtag #blacklivesmatter and then she put her booking email underneath it. The outrage was immediate. I've never seen anything like it. In a video interview, she compared being confronted at the reunion to how George Floyd was killed. This was after she was called out on instagram for her tweets about the protests on instagram.

And a lot of her fans forget that the Nene-less seasons were strong and that the show has not been great since she returned. She had the "where is your scooter moment?" and that's it. She was horrible last reunion, and this reunion she played victim and ran off. She is simply not worth the hassle or the money. She certainly was not worth what they paid for her this season as snakegate was a snore and her apology tour was so fake Nene's BLM tweets were called out by prominent African-American writers and producers. They were outraged, and as I said, Nene never apologized. She never offered an excuse. She simply deleted the tweet as if nothing happened. Now, she and her manager say she was not fired, but conversations are still ongoing. I'm truly sick of her and I hope Bravo cuts ties. Bravo never makes the casting decisions I like on any of the HW shows so I'm hoping this is the exception.

Major backlash. The BLM tweet with her booking email really set people off. I think she a lost of support that day. Although, some of the RHOA recappers and bloggers stayed silent on her nonsense especially the ones she gives information to. It was amusing to see them twist themselves into a verbal pretzel to explain away her beahvior. She never apologized for the booking email tweet. Just deleted it after the massive outcry. I'm shocked by the news if true, but Bravo gives her a free pass (attacking a cameraman) when other housewives would have been axed.

Kenya still follows Andy on Twitter. I think it's just a bunch of bloggers fighting to see who can get the best "She's fired!" story. Every year, it's the same thing. I don't know which websites are accurate. Is B Scott someone to trust? I'm hoping his story is accurate because Nene needs to go. Bravo would be fools to keep her if they're going to have the BLM as part of the upcoming season. Nene comparing herself to George Floyd while Porsha, Cynthia, and Kandi are having real discussions about BLM and police violence?

I so hope they get rid of Nene not just because of all her offensive nonsense recently, but the show needs her gone. She's such dead weight on that show. if Nene is asked back, they are never getting rid of her because she pulled so much b.s. this year that a normal hw would have been fired. They didn't bring any women of color onto Dallas or any of the other shows because Bravo execs knew the existing housewives would say and do racist things. Can you imagine an AA woman or an Asian woman on OC especially when Vicki and Kelly were on the show together?

Nene is such a hypocrite. She doesn't care about any of this. She's just using it to stay relevant and to keep her peach. It's actually quite disgusting. Suddenly, she cares so much about racist behavior when she's been trying to get Kim back on the show? I also wonder if Porsha's feet will be held to the fire over her anti-gay preaching and remarks. I know she "apologized," but if we're getting rid of people because of offensive behaviour, Porsha should be axed as well. I wouldn't mind Andy going. I remember how he found Brandi's behavior towards Joyce amusing, and he was so condescending and dismissive of Joyce during the reunion. Yolanda was the same way. Andy doesn't care about the racism, but if any of these women had said something anti-gay, all hell would have broken loose.