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Wow. This is going to continue to go poorly for the Times - this is their latest response to getting ratioed over yesterday's story.- The Politics Thread
Many of them are deeply entrenched in old Beltway thinking, which leans towards worship of Reagan and center-right bipartisanship (Dean Baquet, etc). For the later generations there's also deep self-consciousness about being seen as 'elites' and not feeling masculine/genuine enough - hence, they hew towards conservative framing of the center-right being more 'true American' and Democrats being 'wimps.' They don't want to be wimps or be seen as not genuine, so they first unconsciously and then increasingly consciously adopt GOP framing of issues and disdain Democrats and liberals and their ideas. That's why everybody asks Democrats 'how you gonna pay for it??' and never the GOP - because in a lot of media's minds, the right is the 'fiscally responsible' party and Dems are just dreamy wusses. Many of them don't fully realize they're doing it. The biggest issue behind what the NYT is doing though is that it's at war with itself and deeply cognitively dissonant. It wants laurels and applause for reporting on Trump and being the proud journalistic 'resistance' - and they do have good writers doing good stories - while simultaneously desperately still trying to curry favor with conservative readers and prove they are 'bipartisan' and 'not elite' with cooked op-eds and headlines favoring right wing framing, and also still having deeply enmeshed, co-dependent, sympathetic access relationships with much of the Trump White House to do stories. This goes triple for people like Maggie Haberman, who has been covering Trump since her days with Page Six in NYC years ago and has had a symbiotic relationship with him when she was just a society journalist. They're too close for comfort. They want it both ways - they want to be seen as the elite in journalism, want praise for courage from the left, acceptance from the right, and to never have to acknowledge any liberal complaints - but don't want to admit it. Speaking of tawdry gossip:- The Politics Thread
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The media isn't going against it atm, though. And the Times has been humiliated - no one other than Fox is going to want to follow that lead right now. We can be vigilant with media without assuming the narrative is always against us when it isn't presently. Meanwhile:- The Politics Thread
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They got ratioed to hell and back over that.- The Politics Thread
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The fundamental issue at NYTimes is that its editorial staff is largely privileged older men who see everything as part of the game - and still lean center-right. Dean Baquet has repeatedly dismissed Trump as "just another Edwin Edwards figure" like he used to cover on his old beat. They see this all as just the normal political world, and they desperately curry favor with conservatives so as to not seem liberal. In doing so, they enable them. Case in point: the Sabrina Tavernise mess this morning, as well as Ken Vogel, who unwittingly kicked all this off while looking to carry water for Trump and Rudy. From last week, before all this: And now:- The Media/Journalism Thread
The NYT is being hammered by everyone for doing that story - "#CancelNYT" is trending. The fundamental issue at NYTimes is that its editorial staff is largely privileged older men who see everything as part of the game - and still lean center-right. Dean Baquet has repeatedly dismissed Trump as "just another Edwin Edwards figure" like he used to cover on his old beat. They see this all as just the normal political world, and they desperately curry favor with conservatives so as to not seem liberal. In doing so, they enable them. Case in point: the Sabrina Tavernise mess this morning, as well as Ken Vogel, who unwittingly kicked all this off while looking to carry water for Trump and Rudy. From last week, before all this: And now:- The Politics Thread
The NYT is being hammered by everyone for doing that story - "#CancelNYT" is trending. Meanwhile:- The Politics Thread
It likely won't come to that, but if so Pence makes Ford look like JFK in terms of charisma and electability.- The Politics Thread
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I think this Tavernise repeat 'Trump voters/swing voters' thing may actually blow up just like Jonathan Martin(?) or some of their recent bad headlines did. To which I say, good.- The Media/Journalism Thread
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In fact, the "swing voters hate impeachment/Democrats and love Trump" thing is apparently the reporter's beat:- The Politics Thread
To paraphrase the immortal words of ABC Daytime, miss an hour, miss a lot! The whistleblower complaint is out AND Acting DNI Maguire is now testifying live: From what I can see, Maguire has a low-grade version of the same myopia as Comey: A fixation on appearing even-handed and fair to 'both sides', but always defaulting to Republican loyalty first despite his better instincts. I don't think he's a bad man, and he's got courage coming out here today. But he knew it was wrong to give Barr the complaint first when Barr is implicated. Also: The media may always handicap Democrats, but outside of Fox it is definitely not supporting Trump right now. The only 'voters hate impeachment' articles, meanwhile, come from known conservative hacks. Stop being spooked by false narratives.- The Politics Thread
It's literally something only you do that no one gets but you! Stop doing it!! And now, back to the PT.- The Politics Thread
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