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They're not recasting Jason again, and they're def not recasting him with anyone you mentioned.

I knew about the Kirk Douglas rumor years ago. I still love a lot of his work, but it's never been far from my mind when watching him. I believe it's probably true. That being said, I know Natalie's daughter, Natasha Gregson Wagner, has been vocal in criticizing Lana Wood for what she felt was exploiting her mother's past with falsehoods, including in the recent HBO doc. (She may be biased, given that I believe she was raised as Robert Wagner's child.)

At least one other actor allegedly did attempt this, but relented recently and took the vax.

And pathetic and disgraceful. But as you say, that's been the nature of the industry for years.

A lot of the tweets pertaining to the sites being required or choosing to keep mum were already posted upthread, but again, I didn't get my confirmation from Twitter or any of those people. That being said, most of those sites and/or the daytime press are being silent until it breaks because they don't want to bite the hand that feeds. Given that in this business there are almost no hands left. As Chris said just above me, this is extremely common in the daytime industry with a rapidly shrinking and often compliant soap press which has happily buried stories or sat on them to keep good relations with the networks or shows for decades now. You have watched soaps and been a part of soap fandom long enough to know about plenty of those situations as well as I do, so please don't act brand new now. Exactly. Where is this supposed deep credulousness re: the Morina scandal? Or RKK? Or Tom Eplin? Or maybe other things that went underreported.

Please don't say 'with all due respect' when you're not showing any. And please stop pretending you were born yesterday and have no idea how these kind of situations often work re: PR, both in daytime and outside of it. This rumor is making traction, but as the network has done many times before, they're ignoring it for as long as they can because it's only buzzing among fans online, because all the soap blogs - which do have the information already - have openly said they are unable to report on it at present or speak about it due to their own symbiotic relationships with the networks. They are under a gag order. This is verifiable if you look, which you won't do because your personal ego is now invested in a one-sided debate you have invented unto yourself re: the moral imperative of actors being fired due to vaccine noncompliance and how fans should talk about them. Anyway: Your credulousness and discomfort with this discussion is not any of our shared responsibility or problem. If you're unhappy with the way this rumor is being discussed, the solution is to use your browser to click out of the tab or go back to the main forum. Best of luck.

It's also Friday, which may mean a Friday news dump in the afternoon (for those of you who simply believe everything you read, a Friday news dump is what politicians or companies often do when faced with bad news - dump it at 5 PM over the weekend). Or they may be trying to salvage the situation and convince Burton to get vaxxed before having to go to the press and face the music. Who knows.

Which they haven't done yet but could at any moment, and I didn't get my info from Twitter or from 'social media poseurs'. You will note there has been no denial, only silence. And frankly, Deadline is often the last to know re: soap news. Daytime is considered beneath them and so they are easily rolled by soap execs bc their interest in digging deeper is negligible. Whereas the actual soap press are simply bought into silence on scandals due to their symbiotic relationship with the daytime end of the networks, as they have been since the '60s. But you're right, I'm sure none of us can think of a reason why GH would try to keep a lid on a major firing of the biggest star of their show for 20 years until such time as they can't avoid it any longer.

That was a favorite of mine too. He was such an ass.

Not very!

Steve and Bradford Anderson also abruptly cancelled an IG live(? I think that's what it was) yesterday.

LMAO, what? The Iyanla Vanzant reunion near the end. Very juicy and scandalous, sure, and they're both 100% operators and self-important windbags to a certain point obviously trying to get out of ahead of the other as being in the right during that fateful conversation. But it also felt earnest and right. I'll semi-shamefully admit I love Iyanla's silly show on OWN, so I'm glad they patched it up. I never bought into Iyanla, but I missed her when she was gone.

It was one of few wholly great things JFP did. It gave Zaslow some final dignity as a performer. On a side note: They never revisited David Renaldi's past or mined his spy background for story in future years though with the Cramer characters still on canvas, and I felt that was a mistake. There was plenty to work with, particularly if you brought back Brynn Thayer for a visit. (IIRC, Thayer knew they had intended to kill Jenny off to simplify the focus of the ALS storyline and had consented to it, with the caveat either explicit or implicit from the show that they could easily resurrect her in future.)

So are they finally playing the Robert/Olivia beat? They've been teasing that since the early 2010s, and Lisa and Tristan Rogers have always had serious chemistry. I know they had her doing caper stuff with him, but I don't know how far it's gone.

Timing and upper management's incompetence, but yes. I thought the productions were excellent, but above the actual shows themselves the two big fly by night VCs behind Prospect Park allegedly paid next to no one for their work. And it was clear they were doing scammy, shady [!@#$%^&*] even when the shows were ongoing. While ABC and GH behaved arrogantly all along about their 'rights' to the shows, PP was not above issuing amateur hour, pre-Trumpian press releases and behaving just plain weirdly in public. Either way, the shows themselves were great and I agree they'd be hits today. I have my doubts about any primetime soap not burning itself out quickly in today's network climate, but I hope PV turns out well if it goes forward and I'm still keeping my eyes peeled for a pilot script. I do think SMG is guaranteed to return if it goes ahead. Does Peyton Place technically qualify? I guess it was a film first, then daytime last?

Citation needed lol

Why did they rewind the clock back to 2013 and bring back a host of other played out characters (Chloe, Kevin, Chelsea, etc)?

I 100% think CBS will jump at the chance to rehire Burton again if he vaxxes. They still haven't given up on being a bad ABC soap.

Yes, this is what I mean. I have not seen the pilot script, though I have my ways and have been looking for it. It may well be great. But Susan simply saying 'if it happens, I'm in' is a big if with no confirmed commitment from the network yet - it's just the wishes of an actor. It doesn't tell us much that's new about the status of the project.

Big if.

Again, nice to see Lark out among the folks. Mario Lopez still has comic timing ("I see that") and chemistry with Elizabeth Berkeley and I don't apologize for loving it! Also loving the Showgirls dance move callback Elizabeth does here - I've watched that movie at least 50 times, God help me.

These 1980-81/83 eps are really exceptional so far. You can see how well they wove the classic canvas and the new one, despite a few meh recasts like Vinnie #3. The Marco/Edwina stuff is just fantastic, and the working class/outcast crew of Karen, Kat, Ina Hopkins and Ed just chilling with some beers unpacking it all is very naturalistic for most soaps of the period (or now). Were OLTL around now it would be fun to see Klenck make a brief appearance as Edwina, still a journalist barracuda. She probably wouldn't do it given her current career but who knows; she was happy to talk to Jeff Giles a few years ago. Maybe Edwina had Marco's kid on the sly. It is very surreal to see Julie Montgomery's dewy Samantha in her early appearance in that '77 episode at Karen and Larry's wedding, a teen maybe flirting with Josh Hall, and then going to '80 and seeing her paired with old Asa. Dorian and Karen crackled - I think I've seen Karen talk about her before, but I've never seen them interact (or her or Carla with Clint!). I had a feeling Judith Light would be the one to take it to Robin fully on her level and I was right; she was a match.

That's not what happened here. If you want me to not delight in the alleged dismissal of an actor who's dominated the show for the century thus far and whose boorish BTS behavior has been an issue more than once, including pushing a pyramid scheme onscreen and to fans which should've gotten him fired, you better call a traffic cop.

No, it doesn't. This is a public health issue. I'd push for the removal of anyone who did this, and I was fairly certain until the last 24 hours that Burton was vaccinated despite my distaste for his character onscreen.

Cameron has done well so far, better than I anticipated though I've never disliked him. As a SEAL it is also easy to slot Drew into a law-abiding Jason-style role like the more white hat action heroes GH has often had, from Scorpio and Anna to Frisco and old school Luke, or even Dante and Lucky (neither of whom had their potential fully realized). The issue with the reign of the mob is all of those classic GH archetypes were simply rolled into Jason.