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I wish it would also lead to another NY soap being launched, but I doubt it'll film there again. The historical footprint of both P&G and NYC in the art form of soap opera (and the footprint of soaps for both actors and NYC) is immeasurable. I'm just so glad they're back in the game. And you're right, this is what's needed most. (Though I do hope PM shakes up the GH team a lot)

I am so tired of these people:

Nobody here is doing that. As you've been told before. I realize this is your new kinder, gentler revamp, but people and your post history have a long memory. So keep workshopping it and in the meantime let people talk about what they want to talk about. You're the one assuming everyone here was watching since the Nixon administration. For example: I'm sure Jean Passanante is a nice person. I have long heard she is an exceptional breakdown writer. Many actors credit her with some of their greatest day to day material on certain soaps. That said, I watched her AMC run as HW. It was terrible. Her dreadful ATWT, GH, Y&R, OLTL etc. HW stints have all borne that impression out for me. Whatever the circumstances and BTS issues, some people are simply not suited for the big chair and bad is bad. And that's okay to say.

I first turned on ATWT in the late '90s. I saw Molly and Carly and their identical Indigo Girls haircuts caterwauling at each other like twins and I turned it off for another 2-5 years. YMMV. I suspect a lot of people here didn't start watching when you think they did. Nonetheless, they're allowed to critique the show they love. Which you've been told before.

Just swap T.J. for actual Tom Hardy Jr. and I'm good. T.J. and Molly need to finally go. As I mentioned I do think the hospital was fairly robust (if full of mediocre or bad characters) until very recently. I guess I forgot Terry too. But they still need more. The advantage of the canvas is there's always teens who can be put to work as candy stripers or volunteers/orderlies. And I keep forgetting Joss is pre-med, which I find very unlike her but never mind. This is where Emily Q should really be alive.

I'm still just wrapping my mind about what this may mean about the genre being revisited and reexamined as viable post-streaming crash, which I suspected might happen but did not know would lead to a new soap. Procter and Gamble. I still can't believe that.

In fairness there's a decent few: Portia, Elizabeth, Willow (ugh), Finn and T.J. I think that's all of them. It's just that the latter three are a total bust or nonentities. Fake Nurse Amy appeared the other day but doesn't count for me; Felix almost never appears and good riddance. The show has also lost Epiphany, Britt, Obrecht and Austin (neither a big loss IMO and I never liked Britt) and for all intents and purposes a regularly-appearing Monica over the last couple years.* It used to be fairly robust. I agree it needs to be replenished. Starting with Lucas. It seems PM wants to dispense with the umpteenth Jason back from the dead reveal as fast as possible and I don't blame him. I'm more into the why and how. (* - I guess Bobbie wouldn't count, as I don't recall if she was still working there at the end and she wasn't seen as much as the rest)

I'm sure some of these polls are legit. I'd never deny a lot of messaging work needs to be done. But we've also seen way too many polls weighted towards the GOP or just idiots from various outfits and then touted as gospel. I liked some of what Katie Porter did in the past but she should've known better than to go up against Adam Schiff, let alone how she's behaved since. Many moderates know and like Schiff. Her best move would be to lay low, rehab her image and not go further into the Nina Turner zone. We'll see if it works out but both of us have seen this story many times.

Don't open this wound further. 😩

Yeah, that's what I was discussing earlier in the thread some pages back. Glad I wasn't crazy for noticing them enduring for people in front of and behind the camera (and the networks) during strikes and the streamer implosion.

Research labs? Not the return of the Cincy Soap Hood! Real ones will know.

I was watching the bibs and bobs of stuff available from Ryan and Felicia's cabin showdown in November '92. They are real lucky nobody was paying attention to the soaps because this creepy "Tubular Bells" ripoff theme they're using for this story is right on the line of copyright infringement lol. But there's a lot of good music throughout, and I think some familiar cues are lifted actually from films but I'm not sure which, and I usually have a good ear for those (Loving reused the sinister score from Jennifer Eight often throughout the '90s). Anyway, it's great stuff, well-performed and very well-directed (esp the shot of the firelit silhouettes as Felicia starts stabbing away at Ryan). I really wish more of the full episodes were available - the full ones I can find stop right as it's getting warmed up and just as Cheryl Stansbury's will has been viewed, which is quite a story to peek at as well. I've seen some of the fallout with the custody battle before but not enough. That whole Cheryl, Robert, Julian Jerome, etc. mess has never made much sense to me, or how they seemed to go from her to Robert with another woman (Katherine Delafield?) in random succession and both got swiftly flushed.

Only on this forum would folks be going down the list of old game shows like Joker's Wild or Tic-Tac-Dough. That's not a diss. God bless.

I take your point, but the problem is I don't think broadcast/network as is has a long-term future track either. I think the best we can hope for (for both the networks and for shows' extended longevity) is a kind of hybrid model for certain shows, where they may be both on network and straight to stream. Meanwhile:

Folks can go around and around about this, but I will say I don't know that one senator taking up Silver's dubious wisdom means it is taking hold with the general public. That's just one more of select rank and file Dems in office who are scared of their own shadow - and those guys frankly often don't have their finger on the pulse of the public. it's possible, but I don't see it.

I'm not blaming you. It's entirely likely she hires him lol. But I really don't care either way about that right now. Looking at people posting about Generations on social media today because of this, it reminds me that it's a shame Kristoff St. John isn't here for this.

Ava is absolutely going to hit that again. And it's all part of her plan IMO. They do still have chemistry, and anything that plays Sonny for a fool and gets Ava back to what she is good at is fine by me.

Let's not make this lovely news a thread about how much people hate Jamey Giddens. I'm not going to fault MVJ for her friendships, I'm just thrilled she may be getting a new diverse soap on air.

Oh, that guy. Who cares. ETA: Sorry to say about a vet! But come on. We don't need half these recurring players including that guy.

I have no idea, but I didn't know there was another CVE.

Terry Randolph, Elizabeth's childhood friend and a doctor at GH. She's trans and is currently co-CoS at GH I believe. She's been around since '18. The actress is uh, raw.

Please, no.

I do think it's possible P&G properties could be revived at some point in the future, especially given the state of the industry. I've always said EON and GL were the most viable of that stable. But I think that's getting way ahead of things. First this show actually has to be greenlit for production and turn up on the network, and then succeed. Still, it's a nice pipe dream if like me you are extrapolating on recent trends.

I'd be shocked if they broke up Y&R and B&B now.

Quite an extended thread where the NYT journos meet another area they really can't control: Reddit.