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  1. Everyone cackles at a good bitch fight, but I've also always enjoyed the portrayal of close female friendships on the soaps.  Reading the GH summaries from the 1980's I was struck by the scenes between Celia and Holly.  At a time when intergenerational stories were unpopular, writers used a character's peers as talk-to's, rather than patrician mothers or tongue clucking aunts.  Celia could confess anything to Holly without judgement, and together they fought their way out of being held hostage at various times by the DVX, Grant Putnam, and Lorena Sharpe's spa hooligans.


    In the late 1990's we got a new generation of female friendships on soaps.  Inspired by girl-power and Sex & the City, we began to see cadres of young women supporting each other through the cruel world of romance, international spies, and suddenly appearing siblings.  Certainly the Fusion gals at AMC come to mind, as well as GL's bookclub moms. 


    Some of my favorite girlfriends of all time include:

    Lois and Brenda on GH

    Erica and Opal on AMC

    Nina and Cricket on Y&R

    Marcy and Franny on ATWT

    and a special mention to the short term, but fun, friendship of Tori and Julia on SB


    I was hoping to gather a list of women who never betrayed each other for love or money in soaps.

  2. 6 hours ago, FrenchBug82 said:

    Brooke was her equal in intellect and accomplishments. And fan affection, if not fame.


    4 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

    And other than a few men..she always took Erica's leftovers.


    Upon reflection, the Brooke/Erica rivalry almost arose out of thin air.  Early on when Brooke was involved with Dan, Benny, and then Tom, I don't remember any significant interactions between the two women.  Erica never pined for Tom, and given Phoebe's disdain for Mona, she and Brooke rarely socialized. 


    It wasn't until Brooke hooked up with Adam that Erica began the narrative about how Brooke took all of Erica's leftovers.  Then, Brooke's relationship with Jack cemented their animosity.  It feels like various writers used Brooke to remind Erica that either Adam or Jack were the loves of her life.  Erica was usually willing to toss any guy aside, until she knew someone else wanted them.  Certainly Brooke never did anything to Erica to deserve her scorn.  They just happened to have the same taste in men. 

  3. I'm reading summaries of 1983-1984 on Soaps of Yesterday's Tumblr, but I was wondering if anyone has a link to more information, or just a good memory, regarding the Tale of Two Grants.  I know Grant came to PC with Celia (a distant Quartermaine cousin).  During the Prometheus Disk plot it was revealed that he was actually an undercover Russian agent. 


    Then, the real Grant Putnam comes to PC, and they start calling the other one Grant Andrews.  Putnam is secretly a psychotic maniac.  He kidnapped Celia.  Scorpio and Grant Andrews save her, Putnam is arrested.  He goes off to a mental hospital for a few years, then escapes, kills Philomena, and kidnaps Anna with his huge dog.


    Here's my questions:


    Did Celia first meet Putnam or Andrews?

    How long before the move to PC did Andrews take over Putnam's identity?

    Given that Putnam was responsible for his brother's death as a teen, did Andrews know that Putnam was a maniac when he assumed his identity?

    Why was Andrews allowed to stay in PC after everyone found out he was a spy?

    Didn't Andrews have another name besides Grant? (Was it an 80's thing that everyone decided his real name was too hard to say or spell?)

    Was it plastic surgery or did they just happen to look alike?

    How was Celia related to Alexandra Quatermaine? (and why did all of the Q cousins come to Port Charles rather than the family's home in Long Island where Edward and his brother were raised?)


    It seems clear that Putnam was an afterthought used to keep the popular actor on the canvas, but it created a lot of plotholes to fill.


  4. 1 hour ago, Pine Charles said:

    Do you feel Maria was a worthy adversary??

    I think of Maria as more of a good girl yin to Erica's bad girl yang; much like Tara was with Phil.  But, she did inspire the iconic "St. Maria of Wildwood with her push up bra tending to the sick and needy" in Erica's Woman of the Year Speech.


    Barbara and Brooke felt like rivals on an equal playing field.  They were accomplished ladies who posed a real threat to Erica's happiness.  Whereas Krystal was the kind of gal men would settle for when they could no longer handle Erica's needs.   After all, Barbara was present for another of Erica's most iconic fights when they spewed the word bitch to each other more times than have ever been heard in daytime tv. 


    BTW in Pine Valley or Llandview if someone offers you the Woman of Year trophy, you should definitely decline the honor because it was always the worst night of that woman's year.



  5. 3 hours ago, robbwolff said:

    Did they actually say Kincaid was too old to play Tom? If so, that's absurd.

    The world of soap headlines can be cruel (perhaps this was part of Ms. Fulton's infamous, but fictional, grandmother clause?)


    Also, can we give a hand to the ultimate “settle a bet” question  of the week - no, TL from Baldwin Park, Brian Patrick Clarke is not married to lesbian comedian Lily Tomlin, and Susan Lucci's mother is not Phyllis DIller.


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  6. There are two things I enjoy about this Tumblr; the headlines and the gossip


    The headlines this time were mostly puns about the cancellation of Edge of Night

    None of them were very inspired, nor were the stories, P&G wanted to keep producing the show but ABC affiliates wanted the time back to expand local news programming.   It was the lowest rated soap of the time, meaning that only 3 million people watched and it got less than a 10% share of the audience, which needless to say any soap would kill for in 2021.


    On the gossip front; they dated

    and they dated

    and Robin Leach (who was dated Jackie Zeeman) really got around


    Meanwhile the juiciest gossip was once again about actors being fired.  Bryan Cranston and John O'Hearly were fired from Loving.  Jason Kinkaid was too old to play Tom Hughes on ATWT, Dane Witherspoon was too stoic to play Joe on SB, and Joanne Pflug was too Christian to play Taylor on Rituals.  But, the jaw dropping story was that Patty Davis (first daughter of Ronald Reagan) was only on Rituals for two episodes!

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  7. 3 hours ago, KMan101 said:

    I about died seeing how blunt they were about Don Stewart leaving. It's spot on. They were clearly on the quest for "hot and young" and I'm assuming they thought they could kill two birds with one stone by snagging Richard Van Vleet as Ed (making Ed more of a mix of Mike and Ed).

    There's been two comments about the language in the Don Stewart firing article. But, how about that awful headline? "bower loses a leaf"  - now that's an editor that should have been fired.  Is correct grammar and a basic knowledge of the subject being edited too much to ask for?

  8. 26 minutes ago, robbwolff said:

    One of the guys at the sanitarium, Benedict, protected Dr. Prentice by burying Maria and then drugging Laurie Karr so that Laurie wouldn't reveal that Dr. Prentice had killed Maria.

    Ahh, so that must have tied into why Laurie was released from the sanitarium at the end of series.  It is starting to make sense.  It may also explain why the bust was amusingly bad, because it may have been why Liz didn't recognize her sooner, as well as its slight resemblance to Lionel Richie in the "Hello" video.


    It's funny how the details get lost in my memory.  I recalled that Chris Egan had a son, but I forgot about Walter Ganz and his relationship to the whole cast.  It is great to have this resource to be able to remember everything.

  9. 29 minutes ago, robbwolff said:

    A lot of people forget that Edge ended with a second Olympics cliffhanger: the arrival of Marcia Cross as Liz Correll, who showed up in Derek Mallory's office with human bones. I thought it was a brilliant way to introduce a new intriguing character and mystery.

    I'm reading the 1984 recaps on Tumblr.  Who did the bust/bones turn out to be and why did people try to destroy the bust?



  10. 1 hour ago, victoria foxton said:

    Michael had another brother Eugene Garrison besides John.

    Yes, I had no memory of this detail but one week's recaps during the period when Caitlin was investigating who/where was Marley's father he interviewed Michael's grandmother who thought he was dead and a women identified as his ex-sister-in-law (unclear if she was an ex because she divorced Eugene, or an ex because everyone thought Michael was dead), but she believed Michael was alive.


    Then, there's no mention of them again, and when Michael comes back to Bay City, he makes no attempt to contact his local family.  To be fair, Britney thought he was at the Love Mansion to apply as a stable boy, so he was pretty busy mucking the stables and running an international conglomerate at the same time.

    2 hours ago, Xanthe said:

    Mother and Donna were supposed to both be abroad together during Donna's pregnancy, but Donna was actually in the cellar room. Since Peter and Nicole were not with Mother they could have believed that she was pregnant. I don't believe there is any terminus post or ante quem in the story that requires Mother to be dead before Marley could have been born, however. She was still alive when Reginald was fooling around with Mary, wasn't she? And Mary didn't get mixed up with him until after Cheryl was born which had to be later than Marley was born.

    fair point


    2 hours ago, Xanthe said:

    The secret room in the basement was also a huge feature of 1984. At one point Donna hid a wounded and delirious Catlin in the room (presumably after hypnotized Sally shot him).

    Cass, Kathleen, and Felicia were also caught in the secret room at some point


    Secret rooms were big during that period because there was also the "treasure cave" where the stolen poisonous Egyptian artifacts were stored, and the secret room at the La Soleil spa where Felicia underwent a "visualization procedure."

  11. 2 hours ago, AbcNbc247 said:


    All of this does kind of prove that you really do need a continuity person when there's so much turnaround behind the scenes. Feel free to add any plot points that I might've missed.


    Bravo!!! and thank you, that was the timeline I wanted, needed, and desired!


    I hadn't even considered Ben and the fact that he was the same age as the twins.  Reg and Mary's original affair must have been quite brief, but memorable (pardon the pun), given that she was still having kids with Vince throughout her employment at the mansion.


    Now, do Carl, his marriages, love affairs, and children please.



  12. 54 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

    When Donna came on..was there any mention of Marley..or was she created later on 1984 (retcon)?

    So Donna comes along in January 1983, mostly as an antagonist for Sally, and later Cecile, in stories involving Peter and Caitlin.


    Then, Marley comes home from school in May 1984, a week after the 20th anniversary when Alice came back to Bay City and David Thatcher (Sally's secret baby daddy) was shot.  Donna was involved with Carl, they hooked up again after their divorce a few years earlier in Europe.  Donna was housing Carl and his son Perry in the Love Mansion (which leads to the eternal question of whether Perry was older than Ryan, Carl's other son).  


    Donna was a suspect in the David Thatcher's murder because she wore a ring that Carl gave her which Sally remembered as being on the finger of the woman who shot David.  Given that (spoiler alert) David and Royal Dunning were involving in an illegal adoption ring, the ground was laid early that she was actually Marley's mother.  Donna also gasped whenever Marley kissed her boyfriend Ben and was overprotective in a different way than she had been with Peter or Nicole (her med school student/coke addicted model/reporter/lounge singer/murdering everchanging sister).


    Vicky was first revealed the next year in April 1985 in an amazing cliffhanger. Jake came back to the boarding house, and opened the door to find a girl who looked like Marley, but styled as a Madonna wanna-be in a seductive black leather jacket, smoking, and with a sultry lower vocal tone.


    The LaSalles (aka Reginald Love, Mary McKinnon, and Scott) came in August 1986, and Donna #1 left after seeing the fake photo of the triplets in November 1986 (which probably coincided with the expiration of Anna Stuart's original three year contract).

  13. I was reading the 1984-1987 weekly summaries on the Another World Homepage and once again I am struck by how the ages of the Love and McKinnon children don't make sense.  I know there was a change in writers and actors, yadda yadda yadda, but wasn't someone responsible for maintaining logic?


    First, in 1985, we have the stupefying scene of Donna telling Peter that she is Marley's mother.  Again, I get the dramatic purpose that Donna needed to admit her secret out loud so the audience knew her dilemma.   However, Peter was three years younger that Donna, wouldn't he have suspected that Marley needed to come from somewhere other than his mother who had already died when Marley was born?  I know Reg kept Donna in the cellar, (which was introduced much earlier in the plot than I remembered, I thought it was first mentioned around the time when Reg was trying to drive Donna crazy with the baby picture, but it was actually originally referenced during the Royal Dunning/David Thatcher murder mystery), but wouldn't Peter have been suspicious about the sudden appearance of a baby in the house when he was a teenager?


    Then, we have Cheryl and Scott LaSalle's ages, Cheryl turns 18 in the summer of 1986.  Scott was older and he was either adopted by the LaSalles or, as originally intended, he was supposed to be the triplet brother to Marley and Victoria who were 20 in 1986.  Therefore, wouldn't Reg and Mary/Marissa already escaped Bay City to adopt Scott in South America before Cheryl was born?


    Later, when the triplet photo was retconned, we find out that although Reg forced Michael to leave town before the twins were born, he allowed his brother John to be present for their birth, and now the birth happened in a secret room at Bay City Memorial Hospital rather than in the secret basement room by Royal Dunning in the Love Mansion.  When Donna was introduced she was the CEO/charitable board member/owner of the hospital because her budget cutbacks affected Marley's recovery when she needed her bone marrow transplant which lead to the reveal of Victoria.  So, she ran the hospital but had no idea that there was a secret room where she gave birth?


    Don't even get me started on how Vince McKinnon afforded boarding school for Cheryl.  The unsolved mystery of what was happening at the Le Soliel spa and rejuvenation center ( a contrived plot involving Felicia, Kathleen, some guy from Felicia's past who got plastic surgery, an architect who fell in love with Kathleen and Sally, and Cass being charged with murder in a case that dropped because the DA, with no apparent motive, withheld evidence).  Or the sudden appearance of multiple nephews related to Mac that had never been referenced before.


    Finally, an actual question that people can answer - when did they stop calling her Victoria and began referring to her as Vicky?  Throughout 1984-1986 she is always referenced as Victoria, even by Jake and Bridget, so who started calling her Vicky?

  14. 15 hours ago, will81 said:

    He was credited right up to late May 1986 and Nancy M. Reichardt took over the next week.

    I also read that he mentored Marlena De Lacroix a.k.a. Connie Passalacqua Hayman.   As much as I joke about his bitchy tone, it is remarkable the impact that he had on the genre of soap journalism.  Film journalism, pop music fandom, and primetime TV reporting often speak of their respective subjects with reverence, but soap journalism strikes an intriguing balance between sarcasm and promotion.  Both Lynda and JMR write with a sense of investment in the ongoing evolution of daytime that seem unique to writing about soaps in particular, and it is easy to find their influence in discussions likes the ones we read on these boards.

  15. Wow, I had no idea JMR died so young.  It's one year after what we're reading now, so those must have been his final columns



    Jon-Michael Reed who wrote a column about television soap operas for The Times and 200 other newspapers in the United States and Canada, is dead of the complications of hepatitis.

    He was 38 and died at a New York City Hospital Friday, a spokesman for United Feature Syndicate, distributor of the column, said Wednesday.

    Reed was believed the first to regularly chronicle the daily dramas that appeared on American TV screens and each week offered a plot summary of the leading soaps which The Times had published on weekends for the past several years.

  16. Here's news I never knew

    Reportedly, he was unhappy at AMC, and Hugo Napier was just fired at ATWT, so he substituted in for the role (also the press spells Nick's last name in multiple different ways)



    More news I never knew

    Apparently cultural appropriation was not an issue in 1984, so if Tony Geary wanted to look like Bo Derek, he was free to do so, but ultimately Luke showed up with his iconic perm.


    I'm a bit shocked that a newspaper was willing to print this gossip about the firing to Leslie Graves from Capitol


    More news about the recasting of Tina

    However, rude her detractors may have been, they weren't wrong...


    Also, on the rude front, this odd note about the recasting of Ava on Loving




    Finally, speaking of rude, someone has taken Queen Lynda to task

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    It was Linda Borgeson (aka AW's Alice #5), but don't be so rude next time RG.  I can't believe Lynda printed it, it must have been her nasty, soap illiterate, editor.



  17. I really liked Elaine Welteroth's response to Sharon.  Because she noted that the issue not about supporting or defending a friend, it is about the need for public figures to use social media to call out racism.  If you like Piers Morgan, call him on the phone, but don't use your status to promote his behaviors.


    I think Sharon Osbourne and Whoopi Goldberg suffer from the same generational instinct.  If they've met someone, and had a pleasant working relationship, then they feel the need to defend or explain their character.  However, what they miss is the idea that men like Piers Morgan are cowards and would never offend someone to their face.  Thus, as an audience member, I don't care if Sharon or Whoopi like some old fool, I just want to know that they understand the boundaries of social interactions in modern media. 

  18. Reading the 1984 recaps got me thinking about how members of this board would react to iconic moments from the period.


    DAYS - Bo rescuing Hope from her wedding to Larry Welch on his motorcycle to the pop song "Holding Out for a Hero" was so much fun, but 2021 soap fans would commiserate about the fact Doug and Julie couldn't attend the party because they left due a contract dispute.


    GL - Josh Lewis being motivated to recover from paralysis by Bert Bauer after her amputation was inspirational, but 2021 soap fans would quibble that both of the long term actors who played her sons Mike and Ed were missing from Springfield when Bert returned.


    ATWT - Betsy and Steve's wedding was a ratings bonanza for the show, but 2021 fans would find fault in how long it took for them to get together, only to be torn apart weeks later when Meg Ryan left the show.


    It is not that 2021 fans are more opinionated per se, it just made me nostalgic for a time when fans had no more information than what was on screen, and could still be genuinely surprised, moved, or excited by the scenes of the day.



  19. 4 hours ago, John said:

    KV filled in as Tina in 1981 so Im shocked she didnt get it either

    at 1: 30

    Neither Kelli, nor the character of Tina, are very convincing as "business school" graduates.  It is no wonder that Tina's MBA was never referenced in later iterations.


    I hope we'll read about it on the Tumblr, because the casting was announced in November 1984, so it looks like Kelli only lasted a few weeks.  Also in November 1984 Marsha Clarke was fired from GL, so the timing makes it seem like there is some shenanigans going on at OLTL...


    Either way, Bo's prediction about Tina becoming Asa's second hand to replace Chuck was as likely as Didi O'Neil becoming the endgame for Bo Buchanan.  Although it is notable that she was the only O'Neil not to get recast.

  20. 2 hours ago, Franko said:

    Tonia going from (good) Grant to Frisco to Tony, who was also nearly paired with Ginny.

    I thought it was humorous in the summaries when Frisco randomly decides to set Tania free, just as Felicia was introduced.


    From the on screen writing to the off screen publicity they really tried to make Brad Maule into hunk.  From his intro (was he screwing his mother's inattentive nurse, or was Frisco doing the deed?) to those stories about romancing his fiance in Europe, there was a constant PR campaign to make us want to like him. Unfortunately, the actor just never gave off a hunky vibe.


    Although no PR campaign was a forceful as this ad for the new Teen Disco in town.  They have free hot dogs and soft drinks!

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  21. 25 minutes ago, Chris 2 said:

    the Aztec Treasure, which dragged on for nearly a year

    Reading the plot highlights of 1984 -  Lorena Sharpe (Monica's insta-cousin), her spa, the murder of Jimmy Lee's mother, the whiny little orphan Mike and his constantly crying mother Ginny, not to mention the two Grants who were differentiated only by the amount of mousse in their hair, - all make the Aztec Treasure seem worthy of a Pulitzer Prize.

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