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Aww, that's good to hear. Really a shame she quit acting (though she came back for guest spots so like you said perhaps she'd be up for it but she's probably moved on)

She's made some guest appearances, but that was more under Ron (I know Ron can be a shitshow writer but he knows what we know: those characters should have been on the show and not killed, just like at DAYS, though then he turns around and offs people like it's nothing so ... see, shitshow writer). I have no idea what she is up to in her life now. Does she act? She was such a natural and it pisses me off royally they didn't care and dumped her. Sigh. But, when I think back, a lot of talented actresses have been driven off soaps for BS reasons. Sigh again. Phelps almost seemed to get off on firing/talking down to capable and likeable actresses (as she shoved actors she was hot for down our throat as well as bland women, hence how Natalia Livingston lasted so long when DAYS say how bad she really was and canned her - an Emmy means squat these days, sorry LOL). There's a history ...

I agree about killing off the younger characters. Agreed on Natalia Livingston. LOL. I guess I long for the idea of a better Emily other than her but I do agree she's missed less. Just like how DAYS killed of Will with Guy Wilson in the role. It's easier to swallow when the recast isn't really accepted but it's still a mistake. I forgot about Ryan LOL only because they shifted his focus to Ava from Felicia but yeah you could have. He did kidnap her as a baby (right?). I think the time has passed for it to make sense with him being behind it (should they ever so choose, but I doubt it's anywhere near a thought to them LOL) but I'd still go for it. LOL. I accept whatever DAYS throws at me to fix a mistake so ... lol, but I would like it to make sense and fit.

I could see DAYS easily going online. It's popular on streaming. But who knows where we will be by 2025 LOL

Phelps and Guza/Pratt really tore the heart out of GH. It was like watching a nightmare for over a decade. Sure a lot of it was flashy, even at times dramatic, entertaining and produced well, but the show stopped plotting long-term (like all the soaps, really; Y&R is at that point and you can see them struggling). If they cared about the show at all so many characters wouldn't have been offed in a sweeps/ratings stunt. I mean, even Sussman and Alden recognized the massive error in Y&R killing John Abbott when they did and wished they could have resurrected him (though like I say below, I do think there's a 'time limit' so to speak) Georgie, Emily and Alan's deaths remain massive mistakes. I wish they could have fixed them; I think the time has passed, maybe (well; it has on Alan I believe; but I would have accepted Tony Jones instead) They COULD get away with Georgie and Emily. Emily would work better if they brought back Helena and had it revealed Rebecca was a brainwashed Emily. Boom there you go. Done. I'm guessing Ron never got the time because it's something he would have done LOL. With AJ back from the dead they should have just said to hell with it and had all the Q's alive with him. I'd have to think about Georgie. But I don't want to distract with too much fan fiction LOL I also wouldn't have thrown Logan under the crazy bus and killed him off (Josh Duhon was the hot new thing and then Brandon Barash was the hot new thing). What a waste. I'll even toss out Karen's death on PC. I threw it out before but Megan Ward could have made an interesting Karen. Shame. Oh, and Willow should have been Lucy's daughter Christina. Lured into a cult by her mother Julie who now goes by Harmony. It writes itself. But nope. Since I lied and AM doing fan fiction, LOL ... I'll dig deeper and say they should have moved Eve to GH and had her be Alan's daughter, not Skye (and Skye would have been on AMC or OLTL). I don't know why but I've always thought that. Anywho ... sorry all LOL

Pretty much my feelings on it. lol. I will give it a watch at some point. I never really saw much of the original. It's not like it was rerun much, if ever.

Makes my heart hurt. The show has really fallen. I mean ... Phil and Kat? How desperate can you be? LOL Sounds like the show has reached the point most of the US soaps reached years and years ago. Sigh Though I'd say the UK soaps had been on that trend since around 2001 when shock plots became popular (more-so Corrie, but EE has been on a decline since the mid 2000s I'd argue) and it's finally caught up to them (along with the poor creative decisions). It's left them a hollow show. They also seemed to be on a never-ending recycling the producer/writer trend as well.

The show feels so ... desperate. It's sad.

Paramount+ is really like "pleassssseeeee subscribe" lol.

What a fascinating discussion being had. Love it. You're right, they never talk about the creative decisions and poor writing but then they'd have to own up to recycling hacks and owning poor decisions ... so they blame external factors. Exactly: "how networks responded did" The soaps all seemed to shift in 1996 to young and pretty. AMC dumped a bunch of vets. ATWT had models everywhere. Like the early 80s, we were back in a "we need young pretty people and get rid of the ew old people". B&B/Y&R didn't suffer much because it still had Bill. Though I'd argue 1996/1997 weren't the strongest Bill years for Y&R but I'd take anything over the non-soap Y&R has become. We lost clever, smart writing (yes we still had clunkers) and got ... cliched writing that continues today. I know people say 'they were copying Reilly' which is certainly true to an extent, but he could at least structure a story. Sure everyone was dumb as bricks ...

Is there a new vault link? Do I need permission? I'm so confused after catching up on the thread

Welcome Jenny! I still have issues with the vault LOL. It works, then it doesn't. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong.

Oh there's still PLENTY of issues. LOL. For one, do we see Laura get the same kind of writing Sonny does? Literally every tear and every moment? Nope. Where's the one on one's Laura should be having with Lesley and Kevin? The writing is still very uneven. But I do feel a shift and it's watchable for me. Not a high bar by any means ...

lol I loved it. Nina read them for filth and it was great. Carly is better without Sonny. And can we keep Lenny and Phyllis? Today would have made a great Friday cliffhanger (it was supposed to air last Friday) lol.

Bingo, nailed it

lol!!!! They must be on some GOOD STUFF for them to think we'd buy that. Please. It was clearly Willow when Stafford was playing Nina. It switched to Nelle when Watros became Nina. Nelle makes a lot more sense, to be fair, so I'm cool with it, but LMAO at that. No way in hell was that always the plan.

Blah blah blah. Maybe he's grown up or his wifey is pushing it ... but I've never ever cared for him.

It was all done for shock value.

For me, LOL, there'd be no point without her. It makes no sense to reboot the show in primetime and NOT have Susan Lucci starring. She was the face of ABC Daytime for 40 years. She BETTER be involved. LOL I understand they likely want to focus on younger ... but to not have Susan, Debbi and Eva starring as their characters would be a massive mistake. I wouldn't watch it. I'd give it a shot but I wouldn't be interested. And most wouldn't either, IMHO. If they want it to succeed they have to adopt the daytime drama for primetime. Otherwise it won't make it, mark my words. You HAVE to get Susan. And why WOULDN'T she participate?

Ohhh, right. Good catch.

Thank you, this was it!

Looks like Vanessa Williams is still around and possibly Theo is back. I'm curious what story hiring Jackee gives all of them and Abe/Lani/Eli.

😂

I stumbled upon some of that on YouTube (not sure now, as things have been taken down, sadly) and God, that was AWFUL trash. So bad.

Pretty much sums it up.