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Lol! That picture looks like a cover of a VC Andrews novel.

Yes. It was the girlfriend/fiancée he had from back home. Not Fergie lol. I don't want the thread to get shut down because of gossip, but the story was Ingo was drunk or both Ingo/Josh were and Ingo started making passes at Josh's girlfriend and they ended getting into a fistfight at the daytime emmy's after party. I can't find the WWHL but it was a blind item in SOD and then just something on the internet. I couldn't even remember the people involved but I can remember the story somewhat🤣

I need to track down that WWHL episode. I remember hearing about it years ago on Datalounge or something and I never knew if it was actually true and could never remember which one of them it was. Signs that Ingo was problematic in the 90's lol, but I guess we knew that since he dated RH and then her sister lol.

Thanks for posting @will81. I guess that spin off was just lingering around for several years lol. I have to go into the proposed soaps thread and find out more about the Bell spin off. It makes you wonder if NBC should have just cut their losses with AW and tried one of the two soaps. You have to wonder how Corday went from let's move Marlena to Manhattan to let's possess her by the devil lol.

I actually like him more because of the hustle. Good for him. He seems like a nice enough guy. He's completely unnecessary on GH, but that's not his fault. Was he the one who got into a fistfight with Ingo at the emmy's like 20 years ago? Or was that Josh Duhamel? Ingo was hitting on one of the two guys girlfriends (allegedly) but I can never remember which one.

I remember hearing NBC or Corday? thought Deidre looked too old for Drake and that's why they hired Eileen. So it's seems weird they would give her a spin off if they already had concerns about her age. I do think depending on the haircut/styling DHer did look older than Drake at times back then, but definitely not anymore. But the show did go full force with Kristen/John for awhile. I think JER genuinely loved writing for John/Marlena, but I do think there was some appeasement going on to keep them both happy and front burner. Crystal Chappell, their star, was out after 1 contract cycle as was Lawrence Almain, who was the big bad at the time. I think once the Affair story took off it was easy to center on Jarlena and I think the show owed Drake one for being a fairly reliable leading man for years and basically getting his character taken away. The show was really wonky in 1991-1992. The 80's goodness was ending (MBE, SN, CS, PP, KA all out) and I think show just needed some tried and true veteran leads to anchor the show. I think if some of those actors stayed things would have been different, but by 1993, I agree you really needed Marlena on Days. Obviously, the show could have used Marlena's peers like Maggie, Julie or Laura to anchor, but JER never seemed interested in them.

I assume most of it was to placate Deidre to get her to return, but they did let her shoot a movie about her life, so someone had faith in her ability to bring in ratings lol. I think part of it was also the rumors Deidre was not happy it was the Crystal Chappell/Carly show back then. You are right that Marlena had very, very little to do post tale of 2 Romans and pre being thrown in that pit. I always assumed it was because SG left suddenly and they had to play out Isabella dying and had to give it some time after her death for the Jarlena affair. If you look at the timeline and info that's available the spin off was looking to replace AW in 1994 not Santa Barbara, so it probably wasn't dead until then. But by 94 Marlena's character was definitely already on an upswing. I think if you solidified casting Carrie, Marlena, and Anna and found some male daytime leads for their love interests it would have been good. I would probably keep Wayne as well and just go with Roman/Marlena over John/Marlena. It would have still had to borrow heavily from Days because of Drake and Ali being on that show, but it has a better established premise with Deidre Hall as Marlena then say Sunset Beach. They always could have cast Eric and other parts of Marlena's family because Days always said they existed but you rarely saw her side of the family. I would love to find more info about it. You have to wonder if Days would have had such a great boost in the mid 90's without Marlena/John/Kristen. There probably would have been a lot more effort put into keeping CC and maybe MBE if there's no Marlena.

I think part of the issue was Staci Greason leaving. The affair was planned much earlier, but I think that was always the plan and arc. I am pretty sure that's why Wayne got stuck playing Ms. Doubtfire. The affair was supposed to be cheating on both sides. I feel like this was always a DH vanity project, but it's not the worst idea. I just don't know why a show would spin off their most popular heroine. I know Carly was a major thing back then, but it still doesn't add up to me. And JER was not wrong focusing on Marlena. It's just a why do we need a spinoff when we can just refocus on a character?

I don't think so. They were talking about Wayne still having time on his contract. He got fired in 1994 well after AS was cast. It would have been awkward to have Sami/Eric around without Marlena/Roman, but John could have probably taken over parental duties? Marlena/Roman would look like bad parents, but it could have been viable. I could get Marlena's shame over the affair would drive her out of town for sure. It would just be weird for her to have a new love interest when she had 2 good ones already on the show. It would have been so bizarre to ship Marlena off the show when she had so much to come. In 1992 I could see it. She was doing nothing, but by 93/94 she had a lot of story. Unless they were considering Drake for the spinoff but I have never heard anything about that. I think a Deidre/Drake/Eileen spinoff would have been gold.

Deidre's spinoff was Manhattan Lives. Pacific Lives was an earlier proposal dealing with Tom Horton Jr, Sandy Horton and others. From SOD Feb 1992 New Days are Dawning - Marlena gets a Spin-Off After months of whispering and 'no comments',it's finally official: Days star Deidre Hall(Marlena) is getting her own spin-off. Set in New York City and centering around Hall's character, the still unnamed daytime series will probably debut in late spring. "The show will totally throw you back in your chair," says Hall, who also serves as the show's co-executive producer,with Day's head honcho Ken Corday. "Ken is excited about it,I'm excited about it,and we have a great team." Former Days head writer Gene Palumbo will take up that post on the spin-off, together with longtime Days scribe Sheri Anderson. According to Palumbo. Marlena will not be the only familiar face on the show. "You will see a lot of terribly popular and well loved Days characters turning up and familiar couples who won't necessarily be in each other's arms." Palumbo says Hall has taken an active part in story meetings. "Deidre is definitely part of the whole process and she has some great ideas',he notes. According to the actress, she was first supposed to do a spin-off eight years ago. "At the time, we negotiated, we got ready and it never happened", hall says. "Then when I signed with Days six months ago, I had in my contract a development deal. i didn't know what in the world to do about it, but then i remembered the spin-off. I said. "What's happening with that?" And Days producers said."Would you consider it?" and I said,"Of course!" From SOD April 14th 1992 "Bible" Thumping: Marlena's DAYS Spin-Off Gets Named And Plotted After months of speculation, Deidre Hall';s DOOL spin-off finally has a name. According to Gene Palumbo, who shares head writer duties with Sheri Anderson, the show will be called Body and Soul. Palumbo says he and Anderson 'came up with a whole list of names and showed them to people around the office. Body and Soul was thought to be the most provocative name, especially with the ladies. Of course, it's really only a working title. We haven't even gotten the go-ahead on the show yet.' Palumbo says the NBC brass has already been presented with Body and Soul's 'bible'-a detailed description of the series and its characters, drawn up by the writing and production team. "We ought to know within the next few months whether the neywork will pick it up,' he relates. While Palumbo couldn't give specifics about the bible, sources close to the production say it includes a slew of new characters as well as six months of story. According to these sources, the show will focus on two New York neighborhoods-one upper crust, one working class. Marlena won't come into a lot of money suddenly, but will interact with the show's wealthy family. the Waterfields, whom the sources describe as similar to the Trumps. One of the show's preliminary storylines is rumored to be a love triangle featuring single mom Marlena and a Waterfield father and son. What will become of Roman(Wayne Northrop)? Since Northrup's contract ends this summer, his character's fate is anyone's guess. Whatever the outcome, sources say Roman is not mentioned in the Body and Soul bible. One character who is mentioned is Marlena's stepdaughter carrie (Tracy Middendorf). An issue oriented teen love story is supposedly in the works in which Carrie learns about safe sex. In addition to her stepdaughters company. Marlena will have a new best friend-PT Barnum. As her circusy name suggests, PT's an outgoing actress type based on Bette Midler's role in the movie Beaches, As mentioned in previous SOD, several ex Days stars are on the Body and Soul list, including Thaao Penghlis (Tony) and Leann Hunley (Anna). while some of the wish list actors have already been approached, real negotiations will begin if and when Body and Soul is approved for production. So I wasn't totally off on this. Thanks @Paul Raven for confirming facts. That name sucks btw. I would love to see that bible.

She hated Marlena at the time, so she could have stayed with Shawn and Caroline. If Austin/Carrie would have spun off it would have changed so much, but I imagine they would have beefed up the teen scene. They had Lucas and Jamie and they would have had to cast Eric but there were 80's babies they could have brought on like Sarah, Noelle, Stefanie, Jeannie, Andrew, Jeremy Horton etc. They probably even could have gotten away with Shawn D and Justin and Adrienne's kids. It sounds weird now since they were all SORASed in weird order but Sami/Eric were born in 83, so it's conceivable to have any baby born within those 5 or 6 years to be their peers. Bo/Hope would have probably been the only parents to look too young and I would imagine Days might have extended offers to MBE or Patsy Pease to bring on more heroines. I would even consider bring Gloria Loring back for either of those shows. I'd buy she's an actress/singer in New York or she could come back to Salem to raise Noelle.

It's weird to think of Marlena on a spin off period or without John. I wonder if they would have re-hired Wayne for that show. I again want to say Carrie, Belle, and Marlena would have shared an apartment and that would make sense. Not really sure how Jen would fit in but I guess all of them were friends. I think a brassy actress friend would work well for Marlena. She was great with Calliope/Eugene. I think it would have made more sense to bring Anna/Leanne Hunley on to be Marlena's wacky buddy and Carrie's mom. I honestly am not sure if this 'show' had any real traction. I think it would have taken too much away from Days. It doesn't make sense. PC only took Lucy/Kevin/Scott and they were supporting on GH for sure. It makes no sense to take your main heroine away. Plus, you would have to deal with John, Sami, Eric etc making cameos on the new show. I tend to think it was just a vanity clause in Dee's contract and no one would have given it the greenlight unless AW was cancelled.

I honestly think Dee stayed on Days too long her first run for primetime success. She was about 40 the first time she left and, unfortunately, that's a little old. We did not know she wouldn't age for the next 20 years in 1987 lol. I want to say Christie Clark and Patrick Muldoon were going to be a part of Manhattan Lives? You can't find a lot of info on it anymore but DH was going to be a producer and I swear the premise was Marlena taking Belle to New York to start over and Carrie would become a model. It was supposed to start in 1994 if AW wasn't renewed and that sort of lines up with what was going on with the show at the time. I think I heard something about Missy doing it as well, but that seems to be taking a lot of heroines away from the mother show. Jen gets a syndication deal or a big shot for her show, so that all makes vague sense as far as what was going on in 93/94. I never heard anything about writers or other producers but I assume it would have been a Corday production. JER probably would have left to write that since he loved Marlena.

Chris always seemed like someone who was always mentioned in recaps, but never did a whole lot. Like no standout pairing or storyline, but was featured. I have gone on record of my hatred for JT's Roman, but I think it's more my hatred for Roman as a character being completely marginalized. I mean, props to him for still working at his age with limited talent. I believe Dee actually was in negotiations. I think Drake did a fan event and even said she was coming back, but something fell through or she booked something else. I loved her on Wiseguy!! Dee in the late 80's seemed like a real go-getter trying to make all the money, so I believe she was interested in doing Days and other things at the same time. She did try to make it work with "Our House" for awhile there and even then I believe it was more of a Corday/NBC thing to write her off because she was in a coma for like a year lol. I feel like her deal in 1991 was really good for her, so I think she just played hardball because she could back then. Now she probably works for minimum wage lol. In a Genie Francis interview she talked about how hard it was to be accepted on Days and that RoJohn/Marlena fans would write her hate mail lol. But I thought Diana/Roman were fairly well received.

Oh I forgot about that Marlena story in 1988. I guess negotiations with Deidre just fell through lol. And then SOD had that cover story with RoJohn/Diana getting married, but they just didn't. Or did it for show, but not legally. Something silly. Too bad Genie Francis had good chemistry with Drake. It's been forever since I have seen the jungle story, but I don't think it was an island. Wiki is telling me it is, but I don't recall that. It was where Peter Blake got the awesome "jungle madness" disease lol.

Same. I hope Lucas is at least concerned about Sami disappearing. Maybe Roman and Marlena can be too? Now I am actually wondering if Belle/Ej might become a thing.

Is that the story where WN's Roman dies? They also were on an island when Marlena returned where they found OG Roman lol. Ugh, we re visted John's past a thousand times, but does Marlena just not care what happened to her for five years beside birthing Rex and Cassie?

Agreed. Sami being Sami is just a Days staple to me.

It actually seems like a mismanaged announcement. Ali had other obligations, but Days went out of it's way to say it's a year. I am sure she will end up doing a year's worth of work, but everything is mistimed now. Why would she ask Gabi to stay in the Dimera mansion? Can't she just go back to her mom and John's house?

I thought it was a year and they got her late because of Hallmark stuff. I am glad Ali gets work, but this felt mismanaged. She barely interacted with Allie. EJ was brought back for this? Johnnie hasn't even aired? Is she in the Beyond Salem stuff? I saw Christie posting a pic with her so I assumed she was.

It feels like Ali was barely here. She's coming back right? Sami has never been my favorite (TEAM CARRIE) but AS has always been integral to Days. Her presence to me is much more important than her siblings or Ciara's.

Seeing all that popular music being played makes me kinda sad. They can't afford any of it now. Days had a fetish for islands and plane crashes. I feel like there were a lot of plane crashes in that era with John/Bo ending up having to fly the plane.

I think Brenda coming to town for something completely unrelated to Sonny would be the best. I do like the idea of Sonny and Brenda falling in love all over again. I don't even hate the Carson pairing, I just don't think it does either character justice. They lack any sort of romantic chemistry and are just boring.

Or he could have no memories and just fall in love with her all over again. But it just doesn't seem very Brenda to totally keep him from his family so I am hit or miss on that. I do think there is a story to tell there and not with Nina. I am a Sonny/Brenda stan so I would like a story that has the least collateral damage for them. I think I would rather him get his memories back and realize Brenda is his true love and just break it off with Carly.

It was very much a bar band with their songs and talent, but the story was fine. I just never believed they were super famous or a big money maker. But I also cringed when Miguel sang and I was clearly wrong about that. Turns out Ricky Martin is very talented. I don't think you could tell that from his famous GH hit "Don't Stop Now".