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It is Lexi Ainsworth. I always really liked her, but I kept waiting for her to "grow up" and she never looked a day over 18 and she is 31 years old now. Very youthful looking woman. I still think she was very talented and wasted by GH, but I could see how it was uncomfortable to watch especially when she dated the much older Parker-which was a bit icky. Esme and Nikolas were gross, but we were supposed to think that so I guess I am okay with it. I don't know why the show gave her the world's largest baby to carry around though lol. I have never really noticed anything about Trina's scenes.

The only one I even slightly allow is Eddie Maine. Not because I think WK is amazing, but at least there is a historical background on Ned/Eddie that I like. Everything else is silly especially Violet because it seemed like GH was just trying to get an episode to an appropriate length by inserting a cute little girl singing. Her OWN SONG she wrote. At least give her a well known Christmas Carol or something. Violet must be some sort of savant or genius. She writes songs, rehearses said songs with her uncle to put on performances, plans dates, makes necklaces, butts into adults personal lives, and probably rescues abandoned kittens and puppies in her spare time lol. No 8? year old does this. ***everything Hat Daddy is unnecessary so I completely ignore his scenes entirely.

GH and their music...UGH. I just lived through Violet's singing. Sonny also likes to lurk around the Metro Court as well. I'll be honest I think I like Mansi better as Kristina than I did as Abigail. She was by far the best Abigail, but I just think Kristina is a more interesting character in general.

I don't think I would like it with any character on the show to be honest. I could see if Stephanie had enormous wealth or something and 1 of the guys was after that, but all these men seem to just be obsessed with her because she's her. It's weird. I mean, it seems like Chad does like her housekeeping/childcare skills too though. Again, anytime we can sort of see SBu do non-Jason things it's a plus.

I like the idea about WN turning up as Roman and if JT needs a job he could play Chris K. You are solving multiple problems pretty easily. I am not a fan of 1991 Marlena being "faux" Marlena. It erases so much good 90's stuff IMO.

And from spoilers This girl must have something I am not seeing. I didn't think Abigail was all that special either so I might just have poor taste lol.

Really I think most of us would be happy if the show got rid of Leo alone. The Jada and Stephanie scenes were nice. Harris was an odd choice to add to the mix, but it didn't bother me too much. What is the deal with this show and Blake Berris's looks? Even back when he was Nick the show would go out of there way to say he isn't conventionally attractive. And Jada he looks nothing like Jason Biggs! BB isn't really my cup of tea, but he is handsome enough. EOB continues to disappoint as Theresa. What an odd set of scenes between Brady, Theresa, and Tate. How terrible of them to fight like that in front of their son. And Theresa just brushes it off to go have sex with Alex lol. I don't really care too much about this Ava/Stefan stuff. The two work well together I just don't find this story interesting.

That would have been fabulous. Wayne shows up not too long after anyhow as Alex North so I assume he was available. Why have I never thought of this idea before?

True. Stephanie's entire story is juggling these men. She doesn't have friends, she doesn't have interesting conflicts with her family or anyone else. She's basically just 3 men's prize to win. Stephanie needs more an edge or something. Or one or two of these men need to drop out.

When Marlena as the SSK "kills" him.

When he died?🤣

I don't dislike Stephanie or anything, but I just don't find her compelling enough to have three men chasing her. She's nice and pretty, but I don't find her to have any distinct personality traits. Someone like Jada is much more interesting and gets half the screen time.

I think the Lombard story is really well crafted. It takes a little long to get there, but it's worth it. Roman and Marlena's fight right before she gets thrown in that pit is amazing and perfectly sums up where the characters and their relationship is at. If you decide not to watch the entire story I would recommend those scenes alone. The John/Marlena stuff when they think they are going to die is great too and sets up the affair and how their feelings never died and were just buried. Man, I have almost convinced myself to re-watch it now 🤣

I find most of 1992 to be pretty boring outside of Izzy's death. I think you know I am not a Carly fan, so that has a lot to do with. As far as the Pit/Affair story-it isn't bad writing. I love it. One of my favorite stories ever that has long lasting consequences throughout the canvas. You just start to see where Roman gets slightly thrown under the bus and becomes the heavy. It's still a well crafted story that begins in 1991 and John's closeness with the entire family keeps weaving it's way through until he finally re-connects with Marlena. It's 3 good people trying to deal with love and feelings in an insane situation. It's just clear John/Marlena are the 'root' for couple here and that's always been SA and JER's writing and Roman gets pushed aside.

I personally don't think Roman gets to be peak jerk until 1992-94. There are several scenes where Roman is a jerk to John though and very pushy with Marlena during this 1991 period. It's all kind of understandable in this story though. We know RoJohn isn't a bad guy, but Roman just knows this man stole his life for 7 years. I actually think RoJohn/John treats Marlena pretty badly during this (leaving her in a motel when she first arrives, sleeping with Isabella in Mexico) and you can tell she is hurt by these things. Roman starts to change for me when he gets really controlling and judge-y with Carrie, extremely jealous of John's relationships with anyone close to Roman, starts butting in with his opinions on Marlena's career, and basically always thinks he's right about everything. Meanwhile, he goes on undercover cases and does whatever he wants for his job. There is a clear shift in writing by that point (and it might be BTS stuff) and John is the understanding, helpful one and Roman is the stubborn, out of touch one.

That's what I was talking about John completely steps away from Roman/Marlena and ostensibly the kids and gets lost in the Danielle/Romulus story then the Alamain stuff, and, of course, Isabella's illness/death. So while theoretically John still could have seen the twins-it just wasn't showed. Marlena/Roman were also slightly backburnered back then, so it's possible all these things happened off screen. Agreed re: Anna/Carrie. I don't think we ever had enough information about Anna/Roman to really gauge. When Roman told Marlena about their relationship it seemed like there were legitimate feelings there, but Anna was telling several lies at the time so it's hard to tell what was the truth on her end.

Yeah, even as one of the biggest supporters on John/Marlena on this entire board this conversation is not making a lot of sense. I am just going to tip toe out of it and agree to disagree.

After the Roman reveal. Not before. We saw RoJohn with Carrie and the twins in the 80's. But John really stepped back from Roman/Marlena and the twins and Carrie wasn't in town while he was with Isabella. John wasn't really back into that part of the canvas until the affair started to ramp up. It all comes back to the SORAS'ing. If they were in town did John have a relationship with them offscreen? Early Sami and Carrie seemed to have a fondness to him so I assume so-we just didn't see a lot of it in the 1991-1993 time period. Hope that makes more sense. @EdibleFlowers I know when John raised those children on screen, but Sami was born in 84. In 1993 she's 15. There are some years unaccounted for. Sami and Eric did not grow up in real time. @j swiftRoman absolutely has/had a savior complex. I don't think I know enough about Anna/Roman to really judge. I don't know if there was any real love there on Anna's part. I think Roman was probably sincere.

I think Wayne's Roman was supposed to be more blue collar and simple for lack of a better word. Marlena was supposed to be more sophisticated. I don't think he was a cad or disrespectful in creation-just more old fashioned and rough around the edges? By the book, family oriented, a little chauvinistic and out of his league with Marlena. There are also several very touching and lovely scenes throughout Marlena/Roman's initial courtship. They also had quite a bit of humor. Something I don't think John/Marlena and their constant angst quite achieved. I never doubted Roman loved Marlena even if a lot of his words and actions don't age great. It was a product of the time. In the 90's I will say Roman was a jerk though.

Yeah. I don't know if the twins grew while in Colorado or we are supposed to think the Roman/Marlena/Sami/Eric family was reunited and they grew most of that time with them. John was pretty much hands off after the initial reveal of him not being Roman. So are we to think John was just a fun uncle for all those years or that he had a more meaningful relationship with them? It's all very confusing and sometimes I think for audience clarity sake they go with biological ties. Carrie and Brady don't call Marlena mom and Sami/Eric/Carrie don't call John dad. We know they have parental/strong ties, but it's just the simplest way to explain it through the years.

Thanks! That's not....the best. Right? Lol. So stupid. The 80's were a wild time. I remember Patch manhandled Kayla quite a bit early on too.

I think it's also really hard to place how much time John spent with the twins. Not because we didn't see him fully raise the kids, but because Sami/Eric were shipped off to Colorado and aged. Once Sami returned it was really difficult for me to discern how much time RealRoman actually spent with them. Did he and Marlena raise them while they SORAS'ed? Are we supposed to consider the time they aged four or five years as Marlena/Roman parenting them as a family? That's how Sami made it seem. That's on unclear writing and the pitfalls of SORAS'ing. Brady doesn't call Marlena mom and she raised him. At least Eric/Brady refer to themselves as siblings.

I know exactly what scene @EdibleFlowers is talking about in the office and it is a pretty crappy thing to do. Before the sleeping bag stuff. It might actually be their first scene together. The slap I really can't place or recall. I think I might remember Roman handling Marlena a bit roughly because she was in denial and slightly delusional after Sam's death? It's been so long. I think Roman was a little joke-y about Marlena being a lady dr/shrink. When he says it in the beginning I can see it being obnoxious. I think it's very different than the way Drake/RoJohn/John calls her that because it comes from a place of more respect, but I don't think Wayne's Roman's intentions were bad.

I think if you search you tube you can find Wayne/Deidre's first scenes. I believe he scares her in her office to prove how unsafe and careless she is being. Unless @EdibleFlowers is referring to the sleeping bag scenes were he moves into her house on the floor and I think those are available as well. I think it would be December 1981 or early 1982. Wayne debuted in December 81 but I can't recall if his first scenes were with Deidre. I have never seen the slap scenes after Samantha's death. Or if I did I don't recall. I would assume it would be in the same month or week that Sam died though.

I think it's pretty clear EJ, Nicole, Eric, and Sloan are carrying the show right now. Even with Leo/Dmitri I am enjoying the story. The Lucas stuff was random. Just release him already. I don't know who Lucas would interact with besides his mother at this point, but his random pop ups don't do anything to move story.