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Rhoc I love the balance between the old format and the drama/confrontation style. I was hesitant about having seven women as housewives...but if it means that Vicki or Kelly aren't featured so much during certain episodes..i might change my mind. Peggy is intriguing so far...and seeing that she is dealing with breast cancer and a double mastectomy..reminds me of the struggles my late mom had with breast cancer. Regarding Lydia vs. Shannon...both are in the wrong. I think Lydia was a little pot stirrer...but Shannon reacted too over the top. Had some flashbacks to season 9 when Lydia kept saying Shannon was yelling...but the footage the editors shown didn't really support Shannon yelling. In this case, it's all perception over what one defines as yelling. After the harshness of RHONY, the toxic elements of Potomac and Atlanta(I think season 3 could stand for some timeouts where none of the women film together and do separate narrarices)...RHOC is my fav

Isn't it true when Bethenny returnes...a lot of heathers stuff wasn't shown and kristen didn't have a whole lot focused on her till the end of the season? I admit when season 7 of NY came..i was interested to see Ramona post divorce, and how heather/kristen/Carole would mesh eith Bethenny. Sadly...the show became all Bethenny...and we hardly got to see Ramona in her day to day life...and come on...Ramona on dates would have been comic/reality gold. So I get why Ramona is pissed at Bethenny.

Luann and Ramona have always worked as friendlies. Once the two made up in season 5...they were fun to watch. Is it bad that I have grown to love season 5?

Blake had to be adjusted...just seeing Liz's first days as Blake and how she delivered her lines...they had to adjust the character. SS had a very dry and sarcastic way she delivered her lines...made Blake cool and calm...with a biting wit. Liz's reading of those lines was more like a spoiled rich girl hence the adjustment to the character.

This is why I'm not feeling NY....because bethenny is calling the shots and all focus is on her. Heather, kristen, and Jules were cut cause they happened to let Bethenny know that she ain't all that....though I think Bethenny actually respected Heather. That's why I dread Nene coming bacj to Atlanta...cause she almost had that same power before she left. Teresa is the same on NJ. That's why I kind of still like OC cause none of the women hold that power..not even Vicki. Headther dubrow found out she didn't have that power quickly. OC is the show that gets little love from Andy....heck Wendy Williams hardly talks about the OC anymore on her show....yet the OG keeps going.

Maybe Tamra is serious about finding Jesus...she does seem calmer...and she was at Sydney's graduation per Instagram. I think Shannon moved to start over fresh...but as I learned from watching the tv show Sisters. You can move houses, but you also bring your problems with you along with the furniture. I hope for some fun scenes of Shannon with her three girls. Her oldest Sophie has grown up! Lydia...i just love Vicki...she needs to stop mentioning brooks...or im praying to God that she gets demoted come season 13. And I'm glad Eddie asked T amra not to meet Vicki. I'm sick of the contrived gatherings...and people being angry having to be in the same room. The thing that made all the old fights and drama pop..wad that it was organic and not so contrived. Vicki and take a don't film much together this season...so I hope the show uses the anticipation of a face off between Vicki and tamra...as must see tv. And I think the group vacation should be one of the only times all the housewives should be required to be together. That's why I'm not into RHONY this season...they are always together and very little is shown of their lives. At least Jules had stuff to show last season with her kids and marriage.

Emma had two more love interests in the late 80s and early to mid 90s. Cal Stricklyn and Ned Simon.

Well with RHOC, you're goinna have to be patient if you want drama since all of them don't film together much till the last quarter of filming. A lot more cliques and less group gatherings...and more focus on their family lives. I think that might work...get out appetites and anticipation for when certain foes face off.

I figured Eileen wouldmy habe time with her doing both days and young. I'm surprised Doritt is back...shr was such a dud. If she continued being a dud in her second season them she should get the ax

Mctavish created Fletcher and holly..if I recall due to her thinking it was dysfunctional for holly to remain with a rapist....odd considering a lot of her MAC and OLTL was pretty dark.

I loved willa Ford...and she did dancing with the stars...i think.

The problem I'm finding with this season is that it's the same ole same ole. Tinsley is ok, but doesn't have an interesting life to explore and doesn't bring a spark that the show needs. I'm also noticing there is way too much group interaction and a lack of an indiVicsual narrative. I miss the days when the women did their own thing and didn't need another housewife in the scene with them. I think at least 2 or 3 should be cut..and hire 1 or 2 newbies...married with kids and lives outside the group that we can see and gasp in awe. RHOC sounds like it will be less group...and I think that works better...it where our appetite for a showdown if we are made to wait for it.

Megan's tagline is made of win!!! I love that the families are still in the intro. Seeing vicki's new man in the intro makes me wonder...hmmm.

Actually Seth and Betsy were involved...right before she left town. I think Lindsay frost brought a fierce and fiesty element to Betsy that Meg Ryan didnt provide...probably why her betsy and steve didnt work. So Marland probably didn't know how to write/position her on the canvas. She couldn't be the dumb ingenure, nor was she the villianess either...and anti heroine was filled nicely by Emily....so supportive character was probably the best Marland could do.

Agree that Ed was missing from that story...given the close bond he and Blake always had...plus you know it would habe caused strife with Roger and Holly given the complicated history of those three...plus even organically caused Fletcher to realize that Holly would always be tied to Roger and Ed.

I know Agnes Nixon used part of her A MC bible to create Rachel and ada....as well as marry Rachel off to a med student. The difference was Alice w asnt like Tara...and that's what made the rachel/steve/Alice story work at first...Alice was no shrinking violet..

That's why I liked the Tory story...because Ross was the one who cheated...and he did lead Torry on. I liked the twist where Blake was the one to save the day..and that the obsession was for Blake..not Ross.

Which of the two actresses did you guys prefer as Mindy...Krista T or Kimberly Simms (not even going to include Ann Hamilton nor Barbara Frampton as choices). To me..it seemed like Mindy and Mallet were being tested as a couple...but then the gears shifted. Was this once Pam Long left the show?

Acrually...an alcoholic is one when they drink...they can't stop and they become vicious and black out. If anything she's a functional alcoholic And after naked wasted...Bravo should have stopped with the alcohol.

Dorinda seems to be an alcoholic...cant stop drinking...blacks out... and gets almost verbally violent. I think the alcphol needs to stop neing peovided. She's interesting enough when sober. Tinsley is a dud. They need an older and married woman with kids. Jules was a better addition then Tinsley was...and she was too bohemian for the show (carole...jules was a real.bohemian )

Ironically...Luann is actually married...you know...a 'housewife. So that could play a bit into it. I'm hoping for next season for NY to have less group..and more one on one..or individual scenes. Id rather see more scenes of Luann as a newlywed. And I think the season 4 purge for MY was too much. I would have fired Cindy and Kelly....but kept Jill and Alex...and added just Heather in season 5. That way..the show could have taken time to introduce Heather...i would have loved to have seen how Jill and Alex would have interacted with Heather. RHOC season 12....i can't wait. I shouldn't be excited but I am.

The late 80s when Roger/Holly came back....diane vs alexandra...diane vs blake...and it would have been interesting to see Diane' s reaction to Vanessa being married to billy...

Last season on RHOC...shannon's vow renewal only had heather, meghan and Tamra there...and it was a fun event..with all of Shannons friends there. No one fought and it proved an event can commence in housewife land without a fight. Also, Vicky's birthday didnt have shannon nor heather there...and it was kinda fun (loved Brianna trying to figure out who merv Griffin was lol). And RHONY didnt have all the women together as much.

Would you say Diane was a Dobson creation that Marland wrote well? I know he had trouble with a lot of the Dobson characters. And do you think Diane could have worked well beyond summer 1981? If so, in what way?

Murder mysteries require a different skill set imho. You have to have a build up to the murder, you need strong suspects, great red herrings, and the killer needs to be someone surprising yet plausible. Perhaps Lemay figured he couldn't do one and just acted superior to mask an insecurity. Also, it sounds like he was more concerned with twisting characters to fit his purposes/whims...then writing how they were established (i.e. Alice). Diane Ballard murder mystery was awesome..it was built up for weeks, lots of suspects, and a good reveal of the killer...someone left field yet made sense. Only downside was losing a fun villianess to accomplish this though.