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What confuses me is why they included Zack's character, which isn't needed, if they had no plans to even contact the actor involved. I've heard some say who does MPG think he is, and so on, but if I were him I'd have the same reaction.

Sanders gets so many passes for this type of stuff. I think because a lot of people seem to see themselves as him and make him what they want to be. It's very Trump-ish.

@slick jones not sure if you already know about this but there's a full cast list on the Loving credits around 2 minutes.

I notice many on the left see Nancy Pelosi as an equal to Trump and believe that if only she were as badass as they believe they are, everything would be wonderful. They endlessly speculate that she is beholden to him, or they are working together, or she's just a coward. They feasted on some article yesterday claiming that he feels like he can do what he wants and she won't respond. Never mind that he is going to feel that way no matter what because he's a narcissist and completely unhinged mentally.

Me too. Beverly Penberthy was very adept at playing Pat's pain and sorrow, but she could have done so much more. Nobody wants to hear discourse about how stupid it was to let her go, so I won't bother...

Yes - and the guy who wooed her and dumped her (Philip, I think his name was) was in love with Pat, which led her to spend episode after episode after episode spewing bile about "poor Pat." Lots of laughs, really.

I think Susan wanted to leave. I'm not sure. I felt like Cecile was already very conniving, although I haven't watched much of 1981. In 1980 she was running rings around people. Susan Keith seemed to be carrying wide swathes of the show at the time, along with Laura Malone and Vicky and Douglass.

Probably the only tough thing they did against Ford was, in their last episode before the election, playing the video of him pardoning Nixon. https://onesnladay.com/2018/08/06/october-30-1976-buck-henry-the-band-s2-e6/ If you or anyone else is ever bored, this site reviews every SNL episode, day by day. They're up to 94-95 now.

Bauers. I remember reading in a 1986 or 1987 SOD that were plans to bring Hope back. Too bad they didn't.

True. You'd probably have to have somehow managed to catch Spitting Image episodes...by flying to the UK I guess.

I sometimes wonder if fans would have accepted them if more effort had been made, or if it was just a bridge too far.

I think that's the sketch that Hillary complained about (rightly so). Just insane. That whole period of watching is insane. The Real Stories of the Arkansas Highway Patrol/COPS double bill with Bill and Hillary is probably the most vicious political piece I've ever seen on the show. It's just nobody cared as that was typical of the time. Now if you say boo, you have Trumpers boycotting. I tend to see Ebersol's era as nonpolitical, but you have a point. Outside of the very dark Michael O'Donoghue material in Ebersol's first season, this is probably the closest his run came to political punches. Mostly down to Harry Shearer, who always did whatever he wanted anyway: https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/the-chosen-pray/n9267

SNL has been a center-right show for the last 30 years, aside from the early '90s, when they loathed the Clintons to such a degree that they made fever dream pieces about Whitewater, comparing Hillary to the Joker, Vince Foster's death, Hillary beating Bill, and Madonna making a pass at Chelsea. The problem is Lorne is too old and out of touch to have any real idea that there is no longer any center-right. There's a reason why his ghoulish old pal Guiliani no longer appears on the show, and the younger, more liberal writers instead make fun of him in sketches. There's a reason why other right wing pals like McCain, very hard right wing as it was, still ended up being spit on by their party in their last years. One of the writers at Vulture said SNL doesn't vet new hires very closely. I can believe it more now, because I don't think they would have hired this slug if they'd known just how extreme he was.

Speaking of Eileen, I think she and her husband were on that Hallmark talk show a day or two ago - not sure if they have any regular gig on there.

She acts so much like Ashley there.

I thought this story sucked, but I can't deny this sequence is impeccably filmed.

I think we would care here, but I went to some hard left sites, like Splinter, to see what they said, and all they talked about was how worthless Democrats are and how none of this mattered because Democrats are so weak. I genuinely believe a lot of people on the left are hoping Trump gets reelected.

They would, but no one would care. No one cares about anything Trump or his people do. Society is just too numbed to feel anything now, beyond the media outrage of the day.

I'm sorry for her loved ones.

I don't think they're victims either, but if anyone wanted to try to make him look like one, this wasn't a bad way to go about it.

What I mostly mean was I don't know why this was not checked before the article was published. You have a story based on details and memories of all these other people, not her, and then the content involving her is added after the fact, in a way that discredits or at least smudges the original story. Everything about how this story has been handled feels like deliberate sabotage to me. And it just made any real move against Kavanaugh even more difficult.

This story seems to be falling apart already. Somebody botched it. https://thehill.com/homenews/media/461530-new-york-times-issues-correction-on-kavanaugh-story

I had to go to the channel and put in Renee 1987.

A few other clips with Phyllis.