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I was looking at some lovely tumblr gifsets that compare Rick's speech in this episode to what Hershel told him in the season premiere, after he was worried he was like that Irish woman who killed herself in front of him. I had almost forgotten about those scenes until now, because the Governor and virus stories had taken over, but it all syncs beautifully. Someone said they saw a walker version of that woman in the crowd in last night's episode. Did any of you see her?

Last night's episode... The performances were certainly top notch. I hated to see Hershel go, but I could respect his death, dying for what he believed in, knowing Rick was trying to live by what Hershel had taught him, and also sparing Michonne, who was dead meat if the Governor had gotten his way. The toughest part was the reaction of the people in his life - Maggie and Beth were the hardest for me, then Rick. They showed just how monumental this loss will be. I had a hard time believing Lilly would have left her daughter alone to play in the mud. I know this was supposed to be symbolic, the Governor losing another daughter, his humanity (and killing her so casually showed his humanity had already gone), but it just didn't work for me. I also had a hard time believing Lizzie was a crack shot. Who taught her? Carol wouldn't have had time. They've been too busy since her departure. Was it Shane's ghost? I felt like the episode had too much packed into too short of a time. I wish they'd had the Governor capture Michonne and Hershel last week. The action scenes were generally tense and exciting, which is all you can ask for. Those two little girls holding guns sent a chill down my spine, because they have no one to help them learn right and wrong, the way Lori, Rick, and Shane tried with Carl. I assume the scene was supposed to frighten us, not make us cheer. The scene with Tara's girlfriend was a little ambiguous, as she was just standing there, but she'd been shooting a few seconds before, so I can see why Lizzie killed her. I was a little sorry to see her go - there was something I liked about the actress. I just wish we'd gotten a few more scenes after the big battle, maybe showing everyone in their own areas post-prison. As it was something felt unfinished about the episode, and then the whole thing with Judith felt a little anticlimactic. I hope this means she isn't actually dead. My favorite part of the episode was seeing the group split four or five ways. I hope this will last for a while into the next half of the season. I want to see different interactions and perspectives, especially for Glenn. Everyone being split up like that reminded me of the RPGs I used to play years ago. Another short scene I appreciated was Sasha thanking Bob, even as he didn't want to hear it. The scene said so much about both characters. I know some people wanted Daryl to decapitate Rick in Carol's name, but I took Daryl's reaction as confused and upset, not just accepting. They had other things to worry about. Carol is one of my favorite characters, but if her fans keep bashing Rick and Maggie all the time, that's going to become increasingly difficult for me to get past. Talking Dead was hard to watch. They were more somber than usual, and poor Lauren Cohan could barely get through the episode. Then poor Emily Kinney (Beth) couldn't even finish her little video interview. I'm glad to see how much Scott Wilson was loved by the cast.

I think he said that about the comic death. I think the show death was supposed to be somewhat satisfying, since Michonne was the one who got the kill (yes, Lilly shot him, but he was already dying), although I was mostly just glad he was gone. I heard people saying how dare Rick say people can change, after he didn't support Carol. And then this about Rick being an idiot for expecting the Governor to change. I agree with what you said - he knew it wasn't likely. He was pleading both to stall for time and for the ghost of a chance. He also seemed to have some hope that he might be able to convince the Governor's group to change their mind, which was on the verge of happening when the Governor killed Hershel. Andrew Lincoln was wonderful in those scenes. His voice was breaking, he just seemed completely lost. It was like swimming in quicksand. I felt like there was too much melodrama in this episode, it should have been spread out, so I wasn't as moved by the reaction to Judith as I should have been, but this scene, and then his reaction to Hershel's death, really did get to me.

If you ever find any 1982, or any writers strike 1988 (the person who put up a lot of 83-89 skipped that time frame), let me know.

Well we had two full episodes of some of them, so if they're just around long enough to kill a few at the prison and then get offed, I'm going to see it as a waste. I still think it was a waste to dispose of everyone in Tyreese and Sasha's group so quickly.

I'm mostly dreading it in case one of the prison people I like is killed off. I just can't really invest in or believe in any of the Governor's group, which sucks, because if I just see them as bad guys or as easily fooled redshirts, it kills a lot of the human element for me. I did like a few of them, mainly Lilly and her sister and her sister's girlfriend, but not if they're going to be his dupes.

12/15/93 B&B closing credits. I didn't realize Susan Flannery was directing this early. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuxKoTDKC2g

What interested me with Theresa was the implication she'd been with Katherine for a long time (based on how comfortable and mother hen she was around Katherine when Katherine got back). How long did she last on the show?

That was Pat Carroll wasn't it? I'd wondered why she seemed familiar. As for realism, I think soaps used to be able to capture that in a way nothing else could. In today's TV world, I think Walking Dead captures it, in terms of a day-to-day grind, a slow path to nowhere. That's what soaps once managed to tell. You never believe you're just seeing pretty people playing out fake problems, even though Brenda, James, and Julianna were all attractive. It would also be very easy to look at Katherine and think she's a stuck up, silly, out of touch rich bitch, but Jeanne puts so much heartbreak into her, you can't bring yourself to do that.

What was the music? Today the Fosters would be panned as "boring," by the sneering types online and at DC and so on, but they'd probably connect with the audience. I hadn't noticed about Lee Crawford, but you're right. I wonder if that's one of the reasons the story with Pierre didn't last longer. Considine does look more of the manor. The little I've seen of Rhodes, he seems a little weak and whiny.

I thought she had terrific chemistry with Matt Smith, and there were a few moments with Amy and Rory (the scene where Rory asks her to help them save Amy, and she says she can't, and talks to him about her birthday - it's one of my favorite scenes on the show, it's so tragic), but River was often such a plot point, and some sort of confusing, all-encompassing Moffat idea of womanhood. Her being Rory and Amy's child was something that could have worked only with great writing - instead we got "he's my son-in-law" jokes, and the whole thing with Mels somehow being a consolation prize for Rory and Amy, which was ridiculous. Everything was much better before she was their daughter, when she was just this cool woman who popped in sometimes and got to know them. I did love Alex Kingston, and she/Matt/Karen/Arthur all had a ton of chemistry together. They were the main reason I stuck with the show in seasons 5 and 6. It's not the same without them for me, although I think Vastra/Jenny/Strax almost fill the gap. Clara - she doesn't seem like a person, if you know what I mean. I wish they'd write less of the quips and more of the old soul part of her personality. We saw that with John Hurt.

YRfan already said most of it, but I have to add my own thank you. It's sad to think an episode from nearly forty years ago is more relevant to today's world than anything on Y&R now. I'm just fascinated by Jill here. She's young and innocent, as we see with her fumbling attempts to get Katherine to keep her mother employed at the factory, but she's also got a spine of steel, as she refuses to stay at the hair salon and schemes to get out of there. And Katherine...fluttering, broken, tragic, beautiful. With that hair she reminds me of a fembot at this time. Or of Linda Evans. I can't get past that huge wall of hair. You can see why viewers were transfixed with her. She's just this dissipating, dazzling entity. Julianna McCarthy has so much heart. One of the most relateable matriarchs ever. Who was the guy at the end of the title sequence? Was that supposed to be James Houghton? The Fosters really do click as a family. And look, it's when Katherine didn't even bother to give a [!@#$%^&*] about business. Thanks so much for this. I never thought I'd get to see this. It is such a building block to what was to come - you can see history unfolding.

The special managed to not delve too much into past history. I'm glad you enjoyed it. What do you think of River Song?

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That we never got to see the real fallout between Barbara and Frannie is such a waste.

Someone has uploaded three ATWT episodes surrounding Lily and Holden's 1991 wedding. Two of them have already been uploaded (one of them has the full version on GenoaCityGuy's channel), but this one is, as far as I know, completely new to Youtube. Oh, the complex world of early 90s ATWT. Those spangly, country music singer gone wrong outfits on Iva and Barbara (although I kind of like Iva's - she rarely wore bright colors). Barbara wouldn't wear an outfit like that. It's a futuristic jogging suit. I think this was one of those times CZ wasn't thrilled with the writing (she didn't believe that Barbara would be so gullible about Gavin). This is the most I've seen of Marcy #1. I like her here. The second Marcy was much more fun but this one is the one I could see fooling Hannah. There's also a good scene in here where Grace, from the diner in Wyoming, talks to Lucinda about supporting Lily and Holden, and instead of tearing into her, Lucinda politely thanks her, and seems to be affected by her words. Good work from Liz Hubbard. There's a quick little scene with Kirk and Ellie too, about kids. The show really knew how to move stories forward at this time, and use an ensemble.

http://boards.soapoperanetwork.com/topic/37693-as-the-world-turns-discussion-thread/?view=findpost&p=1023450 http://boards.soapoperanetwork.com/topic/37693-as-the-world-turns-discussion-thread/?view=findpost&p=1116333

I don't mean to spam the thread, but I'm trying to go back and link to some of the old articles I posted years ago that fit the clips now being uploaded. Here's one. For some reason I didn't think Schultz came in as Dee until Dan's funeral. http://boards.soapoperanetwork.com/topic/37693-as-the-world-turns-discussion-thread/page-2#entry894478

Sounds like he was passing the buck in his comments about diversity. I'm trying to remember any soap situations like what happened with Valentine and the lawsuit. They're rare. It's a first for an Australian soap isn't it?

He looks a little like Charles Durning.

Lucky guy. All Whedon shows seems the same to me, but he has a good eye for actors (or he did - I don't see it on SHIELD, minus Ming Na). They should have done more to keep him on TWD, although I guess the character was a little too pure and innocent.

Andy was still just a kid for their run and up to early Marland. Marland seemed to deemphasize the close bond between Betsy and Kim in his second run.