BTG: May 2025 Discussion Thread

[Soaplovers]

It could still be possible.  Ashley could know who her dad is, but her mother stating that her father was a ruthless man so she opted to listen to her mom and kept her distance.

It also could be a change in storyline direction since we're now approaching the period of episodes being filmed when the show debuted.

The actress playing Ashley posted an IG two weeks ago with her saying she got to work with new characters and old time favorites.  So I do wonder if some new details will emerge between Episode 51 and whatever she was filming at the end of April.

[MissPhoenixGirl92]

Interesting. I definitely think that it's possible that Jan could be a former lover of Joey's from back in the day, maybe back when he was still married. I won't be surprised if it comes out at some point that Jan used to be an escort or something. 

[janea4old]

Vanessa told Joey that her best friend had cheated and has a surprise daughter.  Joey said the same had happened to him.  I wasn't sure if Joey was saying he has an adult out-of-wedlock child?

[Taoboi]

Lord have mercy!!! Not SilkPress vs Eva at Oprhany Gene for everyone to see!!!! Though I loved Vernon shading SilkPress. I continue to love all this fallout.

 

Is THAT Joey's endgame?

[Soaplovers]

This episode was probably the most we've ever seen of Jan.. and it took long enough.

The phone conversation between Jan/Ashley also shed light on their backstory.. and I think it explains why Ashley seems to live in a dreamworld and why she's having difficulties with living with Derek.  Derek could be doing everything right and Ashley would still have a problem because she was an only child, didn't see her mother model positive male/female interactions, and sounds as if she was alone a lot of the time.

Nicole is modeling healthy human behavior and she would be smart not to listen to Dani's advice... well intentioned as it is.

Eva is the character you root for because she's suffering the consequences of her actions.  And if I were Eva, I wouldn't want to be part of the Dupree world.  

I'm hoping the Doug/Joey scenes today is signaling that we're finally moving to the next stage of this story... Doug either asking Vanessa for the money, or letting Joey have dibs on Vanessa's business books, etc.   And Joey finally showing his true colors makes me think we might be approaching that next stage of this story.

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[Taoboi]

I saw this earlier and had to piggyback to it.

 

I mentioned before how they love to give characters shades of grey on this show which I love. And with Dani, they have always shifted her between protagonist and antagonist since Week 1. Having good nice moments...and then her over-the-top moments. I still holler every time I see a gif of her mugshot-turn-photoshoot. It's why she's so divisive in my opinion. Just look at this board. Dani actually been background for a month and a half now and people still feel a way just looking at her. Just wait until she's truly back in an A story.

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In any case, when we do see Dani...she's not doing anything over-the-top or crazy. She really hasn't done anything but sex up Andre which is scandalous while slowly catching feelings...but is quite C plot really. She's trying to start her business. Again...C plot for now. She's being there for family members. Nothing crazy, but a litttle too nice for a livewire such as herself as established in Week 1 and when she broke into Bill and Hayley's house so it's about time for the writers to put her back in that 'annoying' over-the-top way. I don't like it myself, but she is overdue one of her shifts the writers do with her so it is not surprising.

[Melroser]

I also think Joey will end up Ashley's father. Joey made a comment that Nicole's marriage falling apart was similar to him but without the illegitimate child. Or something like that. But I'm wondering if he used the word "illegitimate" to differentiate intentionally or maybe Jan had the baby without telling him just like Leslie claims with Ted and that was why she was acting weird with Leslie. Jan could have still been "honest with Ashley" by telling her what kind of person her father is without telling her specifically who he is. 

This could be another "revelation" down the line MVJ set up to keep story momentum going. We are led to believe Ashley is such a "good girl" and it turns out she's Joey's daughter. Maybe she will turn and not be so "goody-goody". Etc...another story point to go down. 

When Leslie said she still had more surprises and stormed off, my first thought was Eva isn't really hers. This would explain why Leslie is abandoning "her daughter" harshly with all the comments of how can she do that to her own daughter. Eva isn't her daughter she's Nicole's, so she couldn't care less about Eva. They keep going on about the DNA test...for her father...no one has ever checked to see if Leslie's DNA matches. They just assume. Why? Because Leslie said so? Maybe this ties into the theories people have that Leslie stole Eva from the hospital (since she's already proven she can sneak into hospitals as a nurse) and raised Nicole's daughter, keeping her away from the "happy couple" until she used her to destroy their happiness when she pleased. She could have done it because she wanted her own baby with Ted and it was the closest she thought she could get to having his child. Eva and Kat being twins and having that "psychic" connection Martin mentioned about Kat calling out Eva from the get-go.

Just rambling...but I love this show much and how it has me interested in finding out. 

Does anyone care who Alexandre Dumas is at this point? Does anyone care if Liam lives or dies? Just saying... lol

[Taoboi]

You ain't lying though. lol.

 

And those two (Joey is Ashley's dad, Eva ain't SilkPress's) are popular theories around these parts. And MUCH more interesting. 

[MontyB]

I loved your rambling because you had some good thoughts. 

Stopped watching Y&R years ago so can't comment on that, as far as Lame is concerned. No cares in the world. 

[Taoboi]

lol. But...SAME. in Mona's 'Good' voice.

[MontyB]

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[Chris B]

When I see how bad the Ashley/Derek scenes are, I know there must be a larger purpose and Joey being her father is the thing that makes the most sense. 

My take on it is that Ashley knows Joey is her father but doesn't know Joey. Maybe he was there when she was a child or just not around at all but I believe Jan when she says she didn't lie to her daughter about who her father was. Maybe she left him when she discovered his dangerous lifestyle. 

I do think they could really jump start the character of Ashley if they hurry and do this. Jan is a great character and her scenes with Ashley have been helpful. This would further integrate Ashley into the canvas and give her something dramatic to do. With her working at the hospital along with Doug, it could lead to complications if she learns Doug is involved with her father. I just need is sooner rather than later because Derek is tanking her character. I need a distraction.

[Vee]

tbqh I don't care about Jan, I don't care about Ashley and I think Jon Lindstrom as Joey is an acquired taste.

Jon is a great actor but certain things are in his zone and then some are not. Some days I find Joey credible and compelling, but the stuff with him hanging around the Golden Corral, grumbling about Doug and bitching at Randy is not amazing. If he had material on par with what MVJ wrote for Ryan/Kevin on GH back in the day it'd be a different story. I do think he has real chemistry with Vanessa, which is in large part due to MVJ clearly molding that character (and hiring an appropriate actor) in the Lucy Coe vein when she reinvented Lucy in the '90s as well. But I am not here to spend 6+ months watching Jon glower a lot (which is what he's doing half the time to carry weak story) and make more vague dire pronouncements while Jen Jacob gets flustered and weepy over "Daddy" or whatever would come of that storyline. Putting them together sounds like a recipe for doom to me. But I may be in the minority on that.

[Cheap21]

I dont mind Jan. She's good in the minor capacity she is used. 

[Vee]

If I'm being 

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 about it I think Jan is a fine supporting part for a solid daytime vet (probably someone from the P&G soaps), as opposed to someone from the production location who is clearly cheaper. Which seems to govern some casting. I get the rationale, but I would start going through the ATWT/GL, etc. rolodex myself.

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