53 minutes ago, edgeofnik said:

The Carter - Hope relationship is completely inappropriate. Carter is in a position of power as COO, Hope is not. Carter is in a position to make decisions that can impact Hope's line. They just demonstrated that with Carter reworking the figures - coincidentally now that Carter is interested in Hope, they're *now* favorable.

That's a bit of a stretch, she's in her mid 30s, runs her own line and her mother's the co-CEO. Wouldn't every relationship at FC be inappropriate by this standard save for Pam & the security guard?

17 hours ago, edgeofnik said:

@ranger1rg Yeah, I fact checked the article that made the 35 claim. It's shaky. I'd bet it was in the upper 40s.

In January Deadline published the following: 'The GH average viewer age is up 4 percent from 65.6 to 68.1; Y&R is up 1 percent from 69.6* to 68.7 , and B&B is up 2 percent from 68.2 to 69.4.'

Y&R's base number is off. The original article has not been updated. Regardless, they were far higher than I imagined. OC, if you included streaming viewers like me ... it'd drop a bit.

Bottom line: is that it does impact what stories the shows can tell.

Thanks for the information. It certainly does impact the stories we see. My only point was that the average viewer age has not doubled in 20 years. It's been high for a long time.

The problem is that by telling stories with that 65+ demo in mind, you get planned obsolescence. You hold onto people who are dying and bring in no one new. The clock is ticking, and the soaps do not care.

The networks ascribe to the belief that in the age of streaming, there's no way to bring in new viewers. They operate out of fear -- fear that these blue-haired fraus will stop watching. DAYS streams so is a little bolder with some cultural touchstones (like gay characters), but just a little. I thought we'd get a more adult DAYS on Peacock. That hasn't happened.

I don't pretend to have the answers. I just know that when viewers can watch wildly interesting and adult series on cable and streamers, these network soaps look even more dated.

And in the end... all of the characters in the show act incredibly immature. Hope is like a teenager... Brooke is stuck in being Forever 30. Ridge has 0 character development. Only Steffy is acting like this grand-dame matron. So... it's quite the irony. They cater to older demographic, yet don't even TRY to write mature, deep, multi-dimensional characters. The end result is this strange show that has aged in appearance, but everyone still acts like teenagers. I would DIE for some maturity and a level of experience on my screen. A character, a real matriarch that is not only known for stripping to lingerie or sleeping with the in laws. Someone 65+ that can put these little b-tches back in their spots. That could have been a Taylor re-cast that was age-appropriate, but Bradley decided to make her yet another stuck in her middle 30s character. Sad. 

The Liam and Will scenes today were cringe worthy bad.

The show is total boredom.

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4 hours ago, Maxim said:

🤣 Heart Faylor is iconic. 

BTW - I watched yesterday's episode and I'm getting kinda irked by the way Will is written. It's just strange and bizarre and he is not talking or acting like a young man his age. They are writing him like it's some kind of naive character like Hope Logan or something. Acting so dorky with these random models, like he hasn't seen a girl so pretty in his life. Who talks like that? Who says Sweet! when they invite themselves to some girl's table like that. Is this supposed to be a cool, rich-boy heir to the Spencer legacy... or a dork that hasn't left his room playing video games? Once again Bradley Bell struggling to find a proper way to write in a NEW character. It's giving me early RJ vibes to how confused everything is. Why isn't he some type of antagonist or just... a rebel that hates his whole family - starting with the Whore Brooke who f-cked his father when he was a baby. I'm kinda DONE with these vanilla safe-character types. Kinda bored with it. And a cute face doesn't help me at all. I'm not watching soap operas for cute faces or bodies. Once again the problem is not the actor - he is quite charming and HAS more talent than some of the Emmy nominated actors on the show, actually. But... it's just so boring. I don't want to see another RJ for the next 6 months. 

And Brooke/Bill - Taylor/Ridge - how more basic can this get? Isn't Brooke tired of these used-up whore-men? She's had them, married them, gotten pregnant by them... isn't it time to move on? By the time Brooke realizes she needs to do something new... she'll be 70. Girl, the lingerie will only take you so far.

Overall, the show has gotten so stale and so boring, only the dying Eric period can rival it in terms of how boring it is. 

And once again - where is the power struggle between Steffy and Brooke?  Why isn't the Bedroom line walking on the runway? It would have been so iconic to have Brooke actually walk on the runway and have some type of failure and critics to start writing that she's a has-been and etc... and that could have spiraled her out of control. It would have been so much more interesting than this... Brooke is the most beautiful woman in the world... any age, any time... boring crap. Also... Why isn't Brooke doing SOMETHING for the company instead of asking people how they are and smiling?  WTF, Bradley. DO SOMETHING WITH THESE CHARACTERS!

P.S Carter needs to do an STD test after he sleeps with Hope. She's so irresponsible. Just in the last year, she's been in love with every guy that talked to her. 

All of this is on point -- ALL of it. I especially appreciate your comments about Will, who's written so absurdly that I have no words.

Will doesn't represent in any way a teenager, nor does he represent someone who's grown up around wealth. I don't know what they're going for with him, but it isn't realistic or sustainable.

No one with those looks and money would act that way. No one that age would act that way. He's like some boy who grew up in a plastic bubble and who has no idea how to behave and interact with others. In this way, it's like he's on the spectrum and is clueless about social cues.

The one thing they've been good at? Making sure we know where his interests don't lie. So what does Bradley Bell do? Put him in a fashion house where we know he doesn't belong.

None of this is criticism of Crew Morrow, who's doing a great job with the crap they've given him.

11 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

All of this is on point -- ALL of it. I especially appreciate your comments about Will, who's written so absurdly that I have no words.

Will doesn't represent in any way a teenager, nor does he represent someone who's grown up around wealth. I don't know what they're going for with him, but it isn't realistic or sustainable.

No one with those looks and money would act that way. No one that age would act that way. He's like some boy who grew up in a plastic bubble and who has no idea how to behave and interact with others. In this way, it's like he's on the spectrum and is clueless about social cues.

The one thing they've been good at? Making sure we know where his interests don't lie. So what does Bradley Bell do? Put him in a fashion house where we know he doesn't belong.

None of this is criticism of Crew Morrow, who's doing a great job with the crap they've given him.

Mhm, and it's so sad to witness... another missed opportunity. The entire cast is basically wasted on these laughable 8th grade level scripts. Sad. 

10-2

 

Oh, how I just giggled at the fact that Will join Forrester because there were so many attractive young ladies working there. And not just one... but THREE. LOL. And I see we saw the love interest, too. Cute. And Steffy's reaction when Katie told her that Will was not even interested in fashion, but wanted a job took me out. 

 

It was good to see Grace again. But the optics...

 

 

On 10/2/2024 at 12:42 PM, Gray Bunny said:

My Lord, why is this man still single and constantly looked over? 

That booty!

10-4

 

Taylee is suffering from WHAT????

 

No words. But God bless Taylee for reacting the way she did. I know she felt embarrassed. I was embarrassed for her. And Ridge's ego must have went up good.

 

So...Poppy has moved out. And yet...Bill and Katie STILL have not gotten back together. And now they are using the specter of Brooke to keep them apart? RME. Is this B&B or GH with the delayed excuses for a couple getting together...though that is a good reason re: Brooke? Was it not just last year that Bill ran to Brooke as soon as she and Ridge broke up...and then turned around and tried to get with Katie again 5 minutes later? 

 

 

 

16 minutes ago, SteelCity said:

That booty!

They could have done the camera angle better, but yes. 

43 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

10-4

 

Taylee is suffering from WHAT????

 

No words. But God bless Taylee for reacting the way she did. I know she felt embarrassed. I was embarrassed for her. And Ridge's ego must have went up good.

 

So...Poppy has moved out. And yet...Bill and Katie STILL have not gotten back together. And now they are using the specter of Brooke to keep them apart? RME. Is this B&B or GH with the delayed excuses for a couple getting together...though that is a good reason re: Brooke? Was it not just last year that Bill ran to Brooke as soon as she and Ridge broke up...and then turned around and tried to get with Katie again 5 minutes later? 

 

 

 

They could have done the camera angle better, but yes. 

I'll take what I can get, considering it's really only him and Thorsten that have any.

Just now, SteelCity said:

I'll take what I can get, considering it's really only him and Thorsten that have any.

OMG! I thought that was just me!!! lol. 

 

But they are not the only ones, but we have already debated that before so I know that is a moot point.  

1 hour ago, Taoboi said:

10-4

 

Taylee is suffering from WHAT????

 

From bad head writer syndrome. 

8 minutes ago, Maxim said:

From bad head writer syndrome. 

Hollering cuz that's true.

 

I mean all of the attempts to get RB in as NuTaylor...even updating the opening with a classy picture versus the one that KA got as Taylor...as if she is going to be special and then Brad Bell did her like THIS???

6 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

Hollering cuz that's true.

 

I mean all of the attempts to get RB in as NuTaylor...even updating the opening with a classy picture versus the one that KA got as Taylor...as if she is going to be special and then Brad Bell did her like THIS???

And it's such a pathetic way to reunite Tridge. Imagine knowing WHY your man is with you, and every time he kisses you... you realize he's with you not because he CHOSE and wanted to, not because he really loves you... but because he felt sorry for you nearly dying and developing cardiac issues...  Every time he makes love to you, you realize he's doing it out of pity. Bradley is treating Taylor's character like she's some kind of sick, homeless dog. Sad. 

 

21 minutes ago, Maxim said:

And it's such a pathetic way to reunite Tridge. Imagine knowing WHY your man is with you, and every time he kisses you... you realize he's with you not because he CHOSE and wanted to, not because he really loves you... but because he felt sorry for you nearly dying and developing cardiac issues...  Every time he makes love to you, you realize he's doing it out of pity. Bradley is treating Taylor's character like she's some kind of sick, homeless dog. Sad. 

 

Very much this. 

 

Pathetic.