Y&R: Episodes discussion., Week of June 29,2009

[alphanguy74]

I agree, those scenes were great. Nice and chaotic, like it should be. Everything that scene last week at the ranch was missing. I hate to say it, but Mike Denney dropped the ball on that scene last week, but nobody's perfect...although he DOES come close !!

[rhythmchyc]

Oh please Jack is the epitome of masochism. The only reason why he's not into Mary Jane is because she's not crazy to him and she's not torturing him. The put a blade on him a few months back and the dude practically melted in her hands. She needs to pull a gun on him next. He'll writhe around on the floor and beg for babies.

I miss scheming [faux Victor accent]"I killed Walter Palin for my precious Sabrina"[/faux Victor accent] Jack.

[MTSRocks]

They should have made Sharon accidentally slip to Heather that Phyllis gave Summer cookies, LoL.

[MTSRocks]

That's different though. I hated the way TPTB tried to make it seem like Jack was some terrible husband to innocent little Sharon, because Sharon treated that man like sh-t during the course of their marriage.

[Chris B]

That's how Bryton wears his hair...and I don't see the problem with his cochlear implant. It's a nice bit of continuity and it's not like they make an issue out of it. With

returning I wish they'd put them together romantically. Although there is chemistry with Tyra, I can't get behind it after they made her his aunt. His scenes this week were good and he's more than worthy of a good story. I think the writing for him is clearly racist and I'd love for that to someday change.

Today's show was jam packed so I didn't think it flowed well. The Mary Jane flashbacks were terrible and very confusing. Since they had to recast anyway, why not just show flashbacks? It would've been easier to understand. Pick a Patty and show scenes just with Paul or Mary if you don't wanna address the Jack recast. But I don't understand why these soaps are afraid of their own history. Viewers are smart and know about recasts. They can figure it out. On a positive, I *loved* Mary Jane when she wasn't dreaming. "What did you do with my pills, Kitty?!" Or when she woke up from her dream and rolled over with Kitty in the shot.

Tricia Cast looked fabulous today and did a great job as usual. The writing for Katherine and Jill is so bad I hate they're featuring it again. The fallout here is worse than the fallout when they were made mother/daughter. At least then we got something. Now it's clearly only being brought back (in the absolute wrong way) because the writers HAVE to feature Jill and Kay in this new Phillip story. The writing for Jill becomes more insulting by the day.

I can't wait to see what the show has in store for the fall. I wonder if they'll look at what isn't working and make any changes. Watching and reading spoilers it seems they're digging themselves bigger and bigger holes so I'm starting to worry.

[DeeeDee]

Jack treated Sharon worse.

Tricia Cast :wub:

[alphanguy74]

I don't know... I suppose they thought a Patty flashback would be too hard to negotiate with the whole Terry Lester thing, and the fact that Lilibet Stern was the Patty who married Jack, and Andrea Evans was the one who shot him. OF course... rumor has it that Melody Thomas is one of the few around there that knows how to navigate the tape vault... and we don't know if she's out or in or what.

[MarkH]

Agreed--TOTALLY.

Absolutely. Yeah, Jack lied and deceived...but he didn't do anything wrong to HER. And she knew what kind of man she married...goodness, she'd have heard Victor rail against him for years. I am not a "Jack" fan (though I think Bergman is the cat's meow), but he didn't do anything substantially wrong to Sharon, IMO.

I do appreciate the continuity, but I hate the deafness. I wear a hearing aid, and I know all the little life adjustments I have to make due to it...how I position myself relative to others...how I can't always make out the words in TV/movies (so I watch with captions on)...how I can't often understand musical lyrics.

A cochlear implant is far worse than a hearing aid. It is NOT "natural sound". Devon would be making all kinds of little behavioral adjustments...but we never see them. Basically he's playing as though the implant totally restored his hearing...and that is not true.

Even though I hate fanciful stories as much as the next, in this case I'd have Victor call Neil and say "I just bought a company that does stem cell research on repairing broken sensorineural pathways. For patients with some kinds of hearing and vision loss, their stem cell therapy can restore the lost sense." And then I'd have Devon profit from the stem cell therapy (that Adam couldn't) and get his hearing back. Is it nonsense? Yes. But it would wipe away that ridiculous farce of an implant.

Or, they could just say the Neil sent Devon to a major university hospital that has found a way of making these implants completely internal...so there are no visible signs. Ridiculous? Yeah. But it would make this thing go away.

The inaccurate portrayal of hearing loss really bothers me....

[Cashton]

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Has there ever been a more complex villainess than Mary Jane? I don't know, but the performance by Stacy Haiduk is amazing. While everyone was reeling from Summer's ordeal, Mary Jane is just as emotional. I think the subtext here is she feels VERY guilty for hurting Summer. The flashback scenes were a bit too hip for the room, and even Y&R's production values can't do the writer's vision any justice. i got what they were going for but it just lacked that cinematic synergy of the sound and the visuals to make it truly compelling.

Also, for those of us who never got to see the original Patty shooting, it was sort of a letdown, cause I wanted to see that moment in flashback, plus they trumped up the casting of Young Patty, so I expected more from her than just a girl in a veil. Nonetheless, I enjoyed it and thought they did a great job of showing what's going on INSIDE Mary Jane's head and why she's so tortured.

BRAVO!

I really wish that there was some more logic though on this show. For Heather to believe MJ, who already placed an erroneous claim agaisnt her dad, then to bolt to taking Phyllis away from her child is such a leap. The writers keep asking us to leap, but very few of these leaps are earned.

Why would lab call PAul of all people to tell him there was something amiss with the results?

But still, plot holes and all - i thoroughly enjoyed MJ's reveal and not only can she be redeemed, but I see a BIG future for her with Cane.

[Cashton]

Sure did, and treated Patty even worse. Which is why I don't feel SO bad for him, though Bergman tests that ALL the time.

[cara mia]

Where did Kitty hide those pills?

[Cashton]

What I wanna know is what was that she drank them with? Was it booze?

[cara mia]

Do you think Kitty is an alkie like Neil or P3? HELLS, NO! Warm milk with a dash of cinnamon, thank you very much.

[Cashton]

HA! First we get to go inside the mind of Patty, now we go inside the mind of Kitty!

[cara mia]

Kitty has a flashback:

Gauzy lighting. A living room, sparsely furnished. Pictures of a young Jack Abbott are everywhere. Some include Patty Jane but not all of them. Cut to:

Kitty, content on Patty's lap. Patty is petting Kitty, telling Kitty stories about the true love who got away.

Patty: Kitty, I never got over my first love. You never do.

Kitty: Meow

Patty: I would do anything to have him back. Oh, Kitty!

Kitty: Meow

Kitty spots a mouse in the corner. Kitty jumps off Patty's lap to chase the mouse. A picture of Jack crashes to the floor, jostled by all the excitement. Patty picks up the picture and gazes it at rapturously while Kitty feasts on his dinner. Mouse squeals are heard but soon die out. Fade to black.