You forgot Cane.

He's easy to forget.

Yeah, they still do have that territory with Phyllis to explore, but she'll be busy with something else.

Phyllis and Adam should be f-ck buddies to screw with Nick and Nikki.

Remember the scene in prison where Victor was supposed to be putting the fear of God into Adam, and Engen just sat there with an uncomfortable look on his face as if he was about to fill his pants with days of constipation and burst into laughter at the same time? I've never seen a Y&R actor look so awkward in my life!

I've found the constipation/laughter clip! (Skip to 6:10)

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Exactly Kenny!

CE can play business stories ok but he doesn't project strength like EB.

Engen stopped trying around the time TPTB hooked him up with Jack.

He's easy to forget.

Yeah, I don't blame you for that.

Engen stopped trying around the time TPTB hooked him up with Jack.

And that was just the time when Adam started doing stuff that would make it hard to redeem him, which is the time when Engen probably started to feel uncomfortable playing this character. It all adds up.

And that was just the time when Adam started doing stuff that would make it hard to redeem him, which is the time when Engen probably started to feel uncomfortable playing this character. It all adds up.

That stuff wasn't anything compared to what other characters have done. He didn't rape, stalk, murder, or kidnap anyone.

If Engen wanted a character with morals, he shouldn't have joined a soap opera. They didn't hire him to write his character, and he isn't Eric Braeden to have any clout in his storylines. Who the hell does he think he is?

I've yet to find anyone else Vail shares chemistry with.

TPTB should try her with Thad.

He's easy to forget.

:lol:

Phyllis and Adam should be f-ck buddies to screw with Nick and Nikki.

Nikki would LOVE it.

If Engen wanted a character with morals, he shouldn't have joined a soap opera. They didn't hire him to write his character, and he isn't Eric Braeden to have any clout in his storylines. Who the hell does he think he is?

Exactly. He picked the wrong place to have a say in what he wants his character to be like.

TPTB should try her with Thad.

Hmmm.... maybe.

And that was just the time when Adam started doing stuff that would make it hard to redeem him, which is the time when Engen probably started to feel uncomfortable playing this character. It all adds up.

That's what I don't get. Why would he be uncomfortable playing the darker sides of the character? Isn't that the kind of stuff that actors dream of? Most people would kill to play a character with so many facets and shadows. Did he honestly expect to fill the shoes of a soap opera character without having to act some unsavory things at some point? If it bothers him that much, he's really in the wrong business -- and like I said in another thread, if he still insists on being an actor, he should probably stick to auditioning for shows on the Disney Channel or Nickelodeon. He might even get a voiceover gig on Spongebob.

Edited May 23, 200916 yr by Kennylicious

That's what I don't get. Why would he be uncomfortable playing the darker sides of the character? Isn't that the kind of stuff that actors dream of? Most people would kill to play a character with so many facets and shadows. Did he honestly expect to play a soap opera character without having to play some unsavory things at some point? If it bothers him that much, he's really in the wrong business -- and like I said in another thread, if he still insists on being an actor, he should probably stick to auditioning for shows on the Disney Channel or Nickelodeon. He might even get a voiceover gig on Spongebob.

Exactly. Plus he had no real career before joining this show. I believe his co-stars from Y&R said that half of them would kill to get such a juicy storyline, so they don't get why he was so against it.

And that was just the time when Adam started doing stuff that would make it hard to redeem him, which is the time when Engen probably started to feel uncomfortable playing this character.

It would've been hard but not impossible & Engen's a good enough actor to do it but if he stopped trying cause he felt TPTB were gonna make Victor Jr. irredemable that's on him.

That stuff wasn't anything compared to what other characters have done. He didn't rape, stalk, murder, or kidnap anyone.

If Engen wanted a character with morals, he shouldn't have joined a soap opera. They didn't hire him to write his character, and he isn't Eric Braeden to have any clout in his storylines. Who the hell does he think he is?

EXACTLY!

Hmmm.... maybe.

Anything that gets him away from Amelia is a plus.

Anything that gets him away from Amelia is a plus.

Amelia should quit to go to rehab in a few months, so they can emergency recast with Tognoni.

Anything that gets him away from Amelia is a plus.

I was going to say exactly the same thing.

Amelia should quit to go to rehab in a few months, so they can emergency recast with Tognoni.

I say yeah... yeah... yeah.

Edited May 23, 200916 yr by Kennylicious

Amelia should quit to go to rehab in a few months, so they can emergency recast with Tognoni.

Unless Fronsie grabs her first.