16 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

then Frankie,

I recall reading that Frankie was an imitation of Luna Moody on OLTL. Of course, I have no memory of who said it, so who knows if they knew what they were talking about. But, I believe that both Frankie & Luna were linked to all sorts of New Age trappings, which is not true of either Lisa or Remy. 

2 minutes ago, Neil Johnson said:

I didn't buy Lisa as a psychic at all.

Now, I completely bought Lisa as a genuine psychic. And, I am sure she had the abilities from the get-go. Didn't she experience things that were proven? 

7 minutes ago, Tonksadora said:

I recall reading that Frankie was an imitation of Luna Moody on OLTL.

Frankie was created over two years before Luna. I do see the similarities but I think Malone based Luna more on his own Southern Gothic touch. 

@Neil Johnson @Xanthe @AbcNbc247 Thanks for answering my question. I guess we were meant to believe she got the powers through abuse and trauma...? If so it makes sense they faded out after she started a healing process. I can't remember what her last bout of visions were. Maybe Vicky's car accident.

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5 minutes ago, Tonksadora said:

Now, I completely bought Lisa as a genuine psychic. And, I am sure she had the abilities from the get-go. Didn't she experience things that were proven? 

Yes.  But I still didn't find it believable.  I wasn't crazy about Frankie being a psychic either.  

I don't mind psychics on soaps, but I prefer they be supporting characters (rather than major characters), and somewhat exotic -- giving the audience a chance to either believe them, or write it all-off as hocus-pokus.  My three favorite soap opera psychics were Magda on Dark Shadows, Tante Helene on Search for Tomorrow (two complete stereotypes, I admit), and the lady on Y&R who helped Katherine remember she had done something nutty with Jill's son Phillip when he was an infant.  That lady was a REAL psychic, fairly well known at the time.  So she was no stereotype.   

14 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Frankie was created over two years before Luna. I do see the similarities but I think Malone based Luna more on his own Southern Gothic touch. ... 

Excellent! I always resisted that because Frankie seemed like such an original, not a rip-off of anyone. And, no matter how whoo-whoo Frankie would seem at times, at other times she was solid Frame, salt-of-the-earth, grounded in reality!! At least that is what I saw in her. 

10 minutes ago, Neil Johnson said:

Yes.  But I still didn't find it believable.  

Okay. I see. I was already leaning toward believing that Lisa had this ability & then proved things just brought it all the way home, to me. I was a big Lisa fan & I was the only Lisa fan I knew! My girlfriend of 21 years & I would find ourselves squaring off over Vicky versus Lisa at times & we never once had any other argument over anything! It was hilarious. 

10 minutes ago, Neil Johnson said:

I don't mind psychics on soaps, but I prefer they be supporting characters (rather than major characters), and somewhat exotic -- giving the audience a chance to either believe them, or write it all-off as hocus-pokus.  My three favorite soap opera psychics were Magda on Dark Shadows, Tante Helene on Search for Tomorrow (two complete stereotypes, I admit), and the lady on Y&R who helped Katherine remember she had done something nutty with Jill's son Phillip when he was an infant.  That lady was a REAL psychic, fairly well known at the time.  So she was no stereotype.   

That is so cool that Y&R used a real known psychic! I don't guess you recall her name? 

36 minutes ago, Neil Johnson said:

I wasn't crazy about Frankie being a psychic either.  

I don't remember any of Frankie's psychic episodes, just that she was some kind of new age flake with crystals. Did she sense or predict anything? Or how did her psychicness manifest? 

2 minutes ago, Xanthe said:

I don't remember any of Frankie's psychic episodes, just that she was some kind of new age flake with crystals. Did she sense or predict anything? Or how did her psychicness manifest? 

I never thought Frankie was a psychic. 

1 hour ago, Xanthe said:

I don't remember any of Frankie's psychic episodes, just that she was some kind of new age flake with crystals. Did she sense or predict anything? Or how did her psychicness manifest? 

Frankie was new age, but she did have psychic abilities as well. This came into play again in her final episodes, IIRC.

3 hours ago, Tonksadora said:

That is so cool that Y&R used a real known psychic! I don't guess you recall her name? 

Sorry, I do not.  She was so well known at the time.  She had a deep voice, and was aging.  She died a few years later.  Her name is on the tip of my tongue, but not coming out. Delores, Doris, Phyllis, none of those . . .

2 minutes ago, Neil Johnson said:

Sorry, I do not.  She was so well known at the time.  She had a deep voice, and was aging.  She died a few years later.  Her name is on the tip of my tongue, but not coming out. Delores, Doris, Phyllis, none of those . . .

 

Just looked it up.  Sylvia Browne -- that's her.   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Browne#False_predictions

11 minutes ago, Neil Johnson said:

Sylvia Browne

Oh, yes, I remember her! Excellent. Very interesting little tidbit. So, was she really giving a reading in the scene?

2 minutes ago, Tonksadora said:

Oh, yes, I remember her! Excellent. Very interesting little tidbit. So, was she really giving a reading in the scene?

It was all scripted and fictional on the show, of course. But Sylvia played herself. She made several appearances during that storyline.    

14 minutes ago, Neil Johnson said:

It was all scripted and fictional on the show, of course. But Sylvia played herself. She made several appearances during that storyline.    

Well, that is just clever, the kind of "stunt" shows that soaps should do!

1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

Frankie was new age, but she did have psychic abilities as well. This came into play again in her final episodes, IIRC.

Eddie is a very good, long time friend of mine & I sent him a "settle an argument" email: Frankie: Psychic or not? And, I am willing to abide by his reply!!! Which was, ... yes, but not as much as Lisa. So, I stand corrected! 🫵🫰🤪

Who was the boy-toy who lived with Millie Marbury in St Tropez, when Iris visited a couple of times in the late '70s?   Wasn't he related to the Matthews family back in Bay City?   All I remember is, he was tall with dark hair. And in every scene, he wore either a Speedo or a towel.    

It's amazing how hollowed out the show had become by 1987. The only thing left from the Agnes Nixon years was Ada/ Rachel,  while the only thing left from the Harding Lemay years was Mac/Rachel. 

2 hours ago, Jdee43 said:

It's amazing how hollowed out the show had become by 1987. The only thing left from the Agnes Nixon years was Ada/ Rachel,  while the only thing left from the Harding Lemay years was Mac/Rachel. 

It seems to me that most soaps were very different in the 80s than they had been in the 70s. Like the whole genre & lineup went through stuff from clothes to music to montages to supercouples, although AW didn't do that so much. I think culturally we went through changes & I think pop culture influenced soaps & soaps were themselves a big part of pop culture for once. When I think about the shoulder pads we wore I sorta cringe. Although musical montages became very popular, I think, and I have always enjoyed them.