AMC: SOD Spoilers

[Kelli]

Or maybe TB was just speaking out because she wanted to try and reassure HER fans that they were getting the story they wanted and to hang in there.

She hasn't said one single word about Zendall fans or anything at all about Zendall. Again she's reassured HER fans about HER characters relationship with Bianca. She hasn't done squat to reassure any Zendall fans, not that she needs to.

I don't post here often at all but I always used to like to read this board. Not so much anymore. It seems with regards to AMC, there is a lot more bashing of fans than there is actually discussing the show.

[Angela]

How about just not bashing fans? How about respecting that people have different opinions and nobody knows it all? That goes for people inside a fanbase that over-reach and people not inside a fanbase that over-reach because clearly both sides over-reach. I was a Z/K fan. I also was really an SON messageboard fan. I'm no longer much of either, to be honest. I don't like designating people (posters) as worthless be it the fanbase fans doing it to the others or the so-called normal fans doing it to fanbases. There's a lot of generalizing, I read your posts until I see the generalizing which there is often. Regularly bashing fans is making it personal.

I'm not going to argue specific show points with you anymore than I have because 1. I don't really care enough to and 2. you're coming from a place where you're as clouded or hyper sensitive about things concerning the show and what fans say or what the show writes as you accuse the fanbases of being. And they are, some of them, make no mistake. I've been.

That's my last word on this. I just said my piece about something that had been bothering me and I'm good. Carry on posting however you want.

[SteveFrame]

I didn't say she did it to appease just Zendell fans. I listed two reasons as to why she might have done that.

I think the bashing of fan bases and the powers that be have come out of people getting frustrated and wanting their soaps to survive and there is no way they can at the current rate. AMC had hope again. Many fans who hated it were coming back and talking with hope again. That is going away. You read about more frustration now than you do hope.

And I am not bashing them - I am trying to discuss a problem and the very psychotic divisions of fan bases are a problem - just like as I said general fans who sit back and don't let their voices be heard. Both are problems.

Again I point to the fact that many take these things personal when as I and others have pointed out the comments are only directed to that part of the fan base who causes the problems - the ones who infiltrate polls and the like. On one board I was a staff member of joined that board 22 times under different names in order to vote for his favorite couple in the polls on that board. If a producer from that show looked at that poll he wouldn't even get a realistic idea because of what happened.

Again I did not say definitely why TB spoke out but she did for some reason. It was out of the blue and could have been about any reason I said.

All I know is whatever. It just doesnt' even seem worth caring anymore.

[dragonflies]

Thanks Angela

It's sad that one time here, fanbase bashing used to be prohibited. Guess not anymore..........

Sorry Steve Frame, backtracking on what you said, doesn't take away what you said. You said it, you should own it. Don't play the victim because you got called out on stuff you said.

People have the right to feel how they feel without being bashed for it. Kelli, I hope you keep posting, don't let some run you off

Yeah I know it's been said that this is someone's wet dream, a guy and two lesbians(one a pseudo lesbian). Probably Frons and Pratt's.

[Caramel]

Word to everything said about generalizing fanbases and why people dislike the show.

I am a Kendall fan and a Zen fan (or was) and while I like the upcoming spoilers for dealing with the fall out of what has gone on while Kendall was "off-screen", I don't feel that the show should be all about Zendall. Heck, I complain about it being all about Ryan and using characters (like Zendall and Greenlee) to prop this ONE character that has not been working since his return (or since he became a Frons favorite).

I think fans, period, will write and complain. You if you watch a show, you have a favorite- period- and I would think NO ONE is happy about how any characters are being treated. Stories are uneven, important events left to the imagination ("off-screen") because the writers do not feel it is relevant (or are too lazy to WRITE said events). Characters are written out of character to prop plot points (STILL!), instead of being character-motivated or you are given inconsistant motivation from one day to the next!

And as much as some like Annie, she was played out TOO MUCH at one point as well. So they STILL haven't learned moderation, in some respects, even as I will applaud their attempt in reimplementing A, B and C stories.

What I find interesting is that people who complain about fanbases do not include themselves. And I would say there are they "I have Kendall/Zendall" fanbase, but I would be generalizing if I included EVERYONE who has a legitimate gripe about why they can't stand Kendall, Zach or Zendall- the couple. Yet, it is ok to peg or even chastize those who do enjoy and criticize those who are excited about getting SOME sort of payoff for a storyline that has been horrible and uneven- even unnecessary (Reese and Bianca SHOULD NOT have been about a MAN to create drama!) as "rabbid fans". Greenlee's story was hijacked by the Rylee agenda. Isn't it possible that RB is leaving due to personal reasons AS WELL as being put into the same storyline that made her leave the first time (which was Rylee and how it DAMAGED her character beyond recognition- or how they are trying to make Greenlee "Marysue Sunshine" when that is NOT who the character is! She is a vixen/bitch and that is what most of us like/love/love to hate about her! She is a strong character that should not be defined or s/l revolves around a man! Kendall suffers from this affliction as well! Hell ALL of the women characters have been suffering from this problem for over 6 yrs now and I blame Frons for this as well as any HW [/rant]). And Angie/Jessie has been hijacked for Tad/Krystle propping/issues and they just ran out of USEFUL story for the inclusion of Natasha/Rebecca, which is sad, if you are going to trash history, atleast have a damn story to tell! So it is not just fanbases that is wrong with the show- yet that is the FIRST complaint uttered when some mention why the show sucks... In their opinion, of course.

So, ITA that in some posters comments, it is ALWAYS mentioned; ALWAYS. And said with such authority that it really turns people off, even if it has merit. Because you are, basically, saying that if people do not agree with you- or even if they like these stories/things- their opinions are not valid or worthy of discussion and that is not what a general soap message board is about (or should be about). It is about fans of a show discussing ALL POV and doing it in a respectful manner. When that isn't possible, that is where specialized boards come in (and you can rant there). And as many times as I have read that AMC will lose viewers due to Rendall/Zendall/Rylee/Ryan/Greenlee/Zach/Kendall, there is an equal amount who say it is because of Babe/JR/lack of Rendall/Ryan/Zach/Kendall/Zendall/Rylee, etc. It is all subjective and the showrunners will go with the majority to 1) piss them off to generate buzz, 2) appease them to keep/draw in viewers 3) just say "screw it" and go head first into their own agenda- which they have been doing, in spite of negative (circumstances of Gabrielle's birth, Zach/Reese "teaser/spoliler" relationship, Ryan getting whatever he wants while Annie suffers) or even positive (Adam/Erica flirtation, Graiden) feedback.

But then, that is just MY opinion and how I see things. I don't think the show will cater to my whims and I will either choose to watch or not- which I have been. *shrug*

[Caramel]

I know what you are saying, but the fact that you ALWAYS mention these as "main" reasons, even if it is your opinon, comes across as insulting or even dismissive of other problems/views.

I agree that TB may have heard from the Zen nation, she may have even heard from irate Zach and Bianca fans. But I also believe what one of the posters above said: she was reaching out to people who tuned in to see HER tell a story she felt strongly about. And to those who wanted to see themselves FINALLY represented on tv in a classy, respectful and heartfelt story that was turning into something that was anything but.

And yes, those who do not write in or give feedback on other aspects of the show is not helping. But then, none of it really will, if you think on it. Some hate Kendall, others love her- how do you make people happy about this, other than rotate her story more? Same with Ryan and Zach. Which leads me to agree that what people responded to was BALANCE. And I feel they are losing some of this, for some viewers with the Kendall-centric spoilers coming up, but what can you do? Not resolve the storyline created around the character who was in a coma? After MONTHS of things happening, to NOT resolve it would be just as bad as having this story take over the show.

Me? I would like it addressed (realistically, not just one-sided BS that makes certain characters look good, while villifying another... this has been done to DEATH, with Ryan, in particular), but I would, also, like to see other storylines on, resolved in a realistic manner while this story is unfolding.

I hope they go back to balance, plausible stories and stop with the sensational agenda (ratings grabbers!) nonsense... this is NOT GH!

JMO

Oh and WORD, to this. Even 18-49 y/o's don't want to see this mess. Hell, most 18-30somethings tune into soaps to see vets and good storytelling, not immature BS. This is why Desperate Housewives, Real Wives series, etc have their place and should not be applied to almost every damn show- ESPECIALLY soaps.

[SteveFrame]

I want to see the story resolved. I have tried to make that clear. Even when it started and people were fussing about it I said then I couldn't wait for Kendall to wake up and confront Zach and Bianca about what they did. I couldn't wait for that.

But now it is not so much.

I have agreed with those people who said that they got tired of Kendall being used to pimp Ryan and Greenlee and pushing them together. And I got tired of hearing about what a hero Ryan was and all that [!@#$%^&*].

If they had not turned the Josh thing in to a romantic gesture and the episodes like Friday when everyone was worried about Zach. Or last Tuesday when Bianca and Greenlee went ad nauseum about Kendall and Zach, I think I could handle things better.

I am one of those viewers who have not had a problem with the recent coverage that Todd and Marty got on OLTL because the story warranted it. the Zach and Kendall story now warrants that they get coverage but they could do it without the pimping and the propping.

Why AMC has gone that route I do not know.

There are times when even in the best balanced shows that some stories need to come to the front and get a lot of coverage. OLTL has learned to do that. For awhile it was Rex/Gigi and then someone else and then Todd/Marty. That is the cycle - you work them in and work them back to backburner.

GH has not learned that in a long time. And now the hope that you had that AMC was doing it has changed again and it does not seem that way anymore. I don't mind on AMC that David has his hand in many stories because so far (and I say a big so far) the only character that pimps David is Krystle and she is screwed up anyway. There is no one pushing him on the audience. He is what he is, and they don't try to use other characters to convince you of anything different like they do with Ryan, Greenlee, Zach and Kendall.

Oh well that is my say on it and my opinion.

[SteveFrame]

Whatever.

I didn't back track on anything. I clarified and pointed out other posts.

That is a big difference.

[Caramel]

And I happen to agree with most of what you said. Pratt is using GH-tactics and it is not needed, nor wanted. I stopped watching OLTL due to Highley (sp?) and the absolute gutting that was taking place (same for GH, but on a GRANDER, Mob-based scale), so I can't comment on them. If they are better at rotating, then that is because Frons has let them be, for the most part. I just wish that there was more objective story-telling, like in the "old" days.

And, yes, the Slater-Kane storyline should fluctuate between being front-burner and back-burner. I choose to wait and see how they handle it. But I will also say that these characters have been used to prop other characters (Ryan) for so long, than I have no hope that there will be balance. Hell, Kendall will be used to prop this male-feud Pratt has come up with... as if we need ANOTHER male-centric show where the women are just to be catty bitches or weak molls that stand around and look pretty until a man gives them purpose.... *rolls eyes*

I guess I should be thankful to Pratt, though, this could STILL be the Babe-show (except she got a drawn out funeral/mourning period over CORE or important people, like Julia, Myrtle, Dixie, Phoebe and even Josh- who was a Kane-Martin!).

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[April]

The show has not gone off the rails. Pratt is doing a really good job and there are lots of us who are really enjoying it. Friday's show was so well done and the writing was really good. Did you see that show?? If you did and you still think that it has gone off the rails then you must have missed something.

[Kylie]

I am the only one brave enough to say that David's storyline blows? I love him. I have supported him through it all, even the babyswap, but this crap has to go. He's so one note I can't even stand it. Why should I want him to be in his child's life? Why shouldn't I want Amanda to lie to him and keep the kid from him (if it really is his, I'm still not convinced Jake is out of the running)? What possible reason do I have to care about him and his happiness? Even me, his long time fan hopes he suffers, and suffers big time. There's nothing redeemable about him. There's glimpses here, and glimpses there, but if he left tomorrow, much like when he left under MMT's pen, I wouldn't bat an eye. He's walking a really thin line between my thinking there's some light at the end of the tunnel for him and my writing him off.

[jjjg]

Did nobody tell Kendall the kid is Zach's?

[Peyton]

No. I think David's story blows bloody chunks too! David is the same as he was under McTavish. I think Pratt has ruined and blown to hell all of the promise of the stories, couples, and characters on AMC. Pratt is a horribly bad writer.

[nell17]

There's not one single character since Pratt took over who has rooting value. Except maybe Opal and Kendall, but only because she's still in her coma. I'm sure that'll change once she wakes up. Someone was talking about balance earlier, yet David is everywhere. He's in Tad/Krystal's marriage, Angie's and Jesse's, he got Jake fired from the hospital, he's all in Amanda's WTD storyline, plus he's Kendall's doctor so he's in the Rinks/Zendall storyline as well. The only story he isn't in is Annie/Aidan/Dr. Sin's. The only thing Pratt's doing right, imo, is telling more than one story at a time. The stories themselves aren't enough to keep me watching for the characters I do like and definately not the ones I don't. Sadly, I don't see things getting any better. I hope I'm wrong about that though.

[Caramel]

I think I was one of those people and it was mainly a comment on the "telling more than one story" part. And, yes, David is EVERYWHERE and it sucks. I think Pratt (and Frons) like certain characters and, like every other HW/Frons combo, will showcase them while using characters like Erica, Kendall, Zach, Jesse, Angie, etc to prop others (like Ryass and Tad!).