She may not be a whore, but she sure is stupid.

I agree ten fold.

Seeing the look on Sami's face in electrorat's banner, I don't see how it can be called anything but rape. She looks like she's scared shitless to me......

Sorry but it's rape and it's been called that by Ali, James, Hogan, etc.......

Seeing the look on Sami's face in electrorat's banner, I don't see how it can be called anything but rape. She looks like she's scared shitless to me......

Sorry but it's rape and it's been called that by Ali, James, Hogan, etc.......

Actually James is now calling it "BS."

I will never forget how horrified Sami looked when EJ raped her and how terrified she was for months and months afterwards when he was mentally torturing her about what happened.

Just because she didnt enjoy it.. or hell event want to ... sleep with him, doesnt make it rape. she CHOSE to sleep with him. he did not force her.

Actually James is now calling it "BS."

What did James say?

Actually James is now calling it "BS."

Why does that NOT surprise me

What did James say?

He referred to the rape as "consensual by circumstance" and said he was glad that EJ/Sami could put "all that BS" behind them.

Edited May 13, 200817 yr by Ponz

She has now went right back to the selfish, spoiled little girl who only cares about herself, and to hell with everyone else. She jst cheated on her husband.......TWICE.......

I don't see how Sami is being selfish here. Lucas tells Sami to move on. He tells her thati t's over between them and that he is DONE with her. I don't see how that is being selfish. I also don't see how she is being a person who is only thinking of herself here. Lucas is done with her and wants nothing to do with her he tells her that from prison and also tells her straight up that he doesn't want to speak to her or talk to her again while he is in prison. I thought EJ was her husband? So how is she cheating on EJ?

Just because she didnt enjoy it.. or hell event want to ... sleep with him, doesnt make it rape. she CHOSE to sleep with him. he did not force her.

That's the way I feel about it. She had a choice and it wasn't a desireable choice but she didn't have to have sex with EJ she chose to have sex with him because it was the only way to save Lucas. She wasn't drugged, she wasn't forciablly beaten, it's not as if she said no and he forciablly took her. She was in full control of her facilities and she was asked and she consented to having sex with him because it saved Lucas. I don't see how that makes her a rape victim. Was it a desirable choice perhaps it wasn't. But she was not raped and she certaintly didn't act like one. She went over to his apartment several times when he was dressed in towels, bath robes, underwear, ect. and she didn't look terrified more over she didn't think anything of it. She seduced him, played on his emotions and used her body to entice him at every other turn. I can't imagine a rape victim acting like that especially toward her attacker. The more I think about it the more I think it's laughable that it was called a "rape". That's was not a rape. It was desicion Sami chose to save her husband. Especially considering the way she acted after the "event" happended. I couldn't imagine Sami being romantic with EJ or physical with him in any aspect like she was back in 07' if she truely believed it was. She must be the most OOC rape victim ever in the history of television.

I don't understand how Sami is seen as a victim for making a choice. She chose to save Lucas' life because she knew EJ wouldn't save Lucas without getting something in return. She got a choice that is much more then other victims get. Other victims are completly helpless and I resent the fact that Sami is being compared to other rape victims who actually didn't have a choice in what happened to them. She is no Bianca, no Kayla, no Erica, no Julia, no Emily, no Elizabeth, no Marty Saybrooke, no Laura.

Edited May 13, 200817 yr by Skin

I don't see how Sami is being selfish here. Lucas tells Sami to move on. He tells her thati t's over between them and that he is DONE with her. I don't see how that is being selfish. I also don't see how she is being a person who is only thinking of herself here. Lucas is done with her and wants nothing to do with her he tells her that from prison and also tells her straight up that he doesn't want to speak to her or talk to her again while he is in prison. I thought EJ was her husband? So how is she cheating on EJ?

That's the way I feel about it. She had a choice and it wasn't a desireable choice but she didn't have to have sex with EJ she chose to have sex with him because it was the only way to save Lucas. She wasn't drugged, she wasn't forciablly beaten, it's not as if she said no and he forciablly took her. She was in full control of her facilities and she was asked and she consented to having sex with him because it saved Lucas. I don't see how that makes her a rape victim. Was it a desirable choice perhaps it wasn't. But she was not raped and she certaintly didn't act like one. She went over to his apartment several times when he was dressed in towels, bath robes, underwear, ect. and she didn't look terrified more over she didn't think anything of it. She seduced him, played on his emotions and used her body to entice him at every other turn. I can't imagine a rape victim acting like that especially toward her attacker. The more I think about it the more I think it's laughable that it was "rape". That's was not a rape. It was desicion Sami chose to save her husband.

I don't understand how Sami is seen as a victim for making a choice. She chose to save Lucas' life because she knew EJ wouldn't save Lucas without getting something in return. She got a choice that is much more then other victims get. Other victims are completly helpless and I resent the fact that Sami is being compared to other rape victims who actually didn't have a choice in what happened to them. She is no Bianca, no Kayla, no Erica, no Julia, no Emily, no Elizabeth, no Marty Saybrooke, no Laura.

Skin, in your opinion, she's not being selfish. IMO, it is being selfish.

So, we'll just have to see this differently.

Get rape? Or let your husband die? That is not a choice! *My brain is going to explode*

Anyway.....

He referred to the rape as "consensual by circumstance" and said he was glad that EJ/Sami could put "all that BS" behind them.

Dena got to him. He's trying to sell the story now. I can't believe he went back on what he said in the fall of 2007:

SOW: Do you take issue with anything else about American soaps?

JS: One of the problems I have with daytime is that they tackle hard issues in a very soft way. You don't tackle issues like rape, murder and various different crimes in a way that betrays the issue. You don't take the punch out of it if you're going to have a topic like that. You're only diluting your own story, you're own program with your own content, if you don't address in the [proper] way.

SOW: It sounds like you're referring to the Sami/EJ rape.

JS: Oh, that's a joke. Come on. The rape was a step too far.

SOW: In that it's been swept under the rug with no after effect for Sami?

JS: Yes. It's hard, although it's easier for me to play the rapist. It's tougher for Alison (Sweeney, Sami). EJ sees it as an invasion. In his head, he thinks that he is the one for Sami. It's stupid, I've got to be honest. It's a bit of a quantum leap to think that this girl was raped, didn't have to have any therapy, and was able to bounce back and be completely fine, because we don't want to deal with the potential and fallout of that. That's the stuff that dilutes the show. I sincerely believe that all these things I'm witching and moaning about are going to be tightened up considerably under the new direction of Ed Scott. Just in the short time he's been here, there's been a significant change. There has been a serious force that's come through the show since he turned up. You can see it on the monitors. You can see it in the taping. You hear it from the actors who are walking off the set. There's sense of direction that hasn't been there [before].

Oh James. I'm so disappointed in you now. Stay true to your word, man.

Get rape? Or let your husband die? That is not a choice! *My brain is going to explode*

I just can't fathom how one can be raped when you have a choice in sleeping with someone. She could of easily said no to EJ and gotten help for Lucas later from someone else. She had a choice and it was a hard one to make but at the end of the day she said yes to their arrangement. It was a proposal EJ gave and Sami wanted to save Lucas so she accepted it. She didn't have to have sex with him. Nor was she forced to. She could have said no and it was an option she was given. An option many of the other characters in my other post did not have. Those were violiations, those were attacks on helpless women. I think they even did this with Zander and Emily on GH at one point and even Emily recognized that she had a choice and that she was prostituting herself to save Nicholas and that Zander was turning her into a whore, that made Zander withdrawl his request for Emily to sleep with him.

Edited May 13, 200817 yr by Skin

Get rape? Or let your husband die? That is not a choice! *My brain is going to explode*

Anyway.....

Dena got to him. He's trying to sell the story now. I can't believe he went back on what he said in the fall of 2007:

Oh James. I'm so disappointed in you now. Stay true to your word, man.

Consensual by circumstance.

I now have lost what respect I had in this actor.

I just can't fathom how one can be raped when you have a choice in sleeping with someone. She could of easily said no to EJ and gotten help for Lucas later from someone else. She had a choice and it was a hard one to make but at the end of the day she said yes to their arrangement. It was a proposal EJ gave and Sami wanted to save Lucas so she accepted it. She didn't have to have sex with him. Nor was she forced to. She could have said no and it was an option she was given. An option many of the other characters in my other post did not have. Those were violiations, those were attacks on helpless women. I think they even did this with Zander and Emily on GH at one point and even Emily recognized that she had a choice and that she was prostituting herself to save Nicholas and that Zander was turning her into a whore, that made Zander withdrawl his request for Emily to sleep with him.

EJ had a gun. EJ had taken her hostage. There was no one else around for Sami to ask for help. Let's not forget, EJ had a GUN. He had the gun pointed at her side when they were stopped by the police. EJ was her only hope and he used that to get what he wanted. It was about power.

Just because she didnt enjoy it.. or hell event want to ... sleep with him, doesnt make it rape. she CHOSE to sleep with him. he did not force her.

I've had sex with people and didn't enjoy it. There's a difference between having bad sex, and being disgusted as a man is taking advantage of you looking for help to save the man you love. EJ raped Sami. I'm not changing my opinion. James said it, Ali said it, and now they're changing it because they want to sell this pairing. It's bullshit.

If that's the case then Laura didn't really get raped by Luke because we all know she wanted it. GMAB

I now have lost what respect I had in this actor.

Yeah, it's sad isn't it, when an actor has to go back on his word and beliefs in order to sell a storyline.

EJ had a gun. EJ had taken her hostage. Let's not forget, EJ had a GUN.

I get the gun portion of it. However there is nothing that implied that had Sami refused to sleep with EJ that he would have shot her or tried to kill her for refusing him. EJ did take Sami hostage so that he could flee the police. However he never threatened to shoot Sami if she chose not to sleep with EJ. That was never even expressed in the show. The director nor the writers used the gun as a reason for Sami sleeping with EJ. It's not as if EJ was threatening to kill Samantha if she refused to have sex with him if that was the case it would certaintly be rape, however that was not the case. Especially since the dialogue and direction even state that the entire reason Sami slept with EJ was because Sami needed EJ to lift the beam from on top of Lucas. So no the gun was not the catalyst for her sleeping with EJ. The reason Sami slept with EJ was for one reason and one reason only to save Lucas from dying as a result of the beam crushing him in the freezing cold. Not because EJ threatened gun violience. After dropping EJ off Sami could have had a number of different options to save Lucas. It's not as if EJ was her only option to save Lucas.

EJ was her only hope and he used that to get what he wanted. It was about power.

That's not true. It was just the most convient and the quickest. She could have found other alternatives. Sami's a resourceful girl, who has finagled complex schemes and mainpulated the entire town she could have found another way to save Lucas.

a man is taking advantage of you

Perhaps he did take advantage but that still doesn't change the fact that it isn't rape. The fact that Sami was given the choice to say yes or no completely nullifies the arguement. She wasn't coerced, she wasn't threatened, she was put in an awful situation and she made a desicion but she could have just as easily made the other one. It's not like Marty Saybrooke who was viciously assaulted by three men, Bianca who was ruthlessly attacked by Micheal Cambius or Elizabeth who was savagely attacked and thrown into the woods by her attacker. None of them had choices. Sami did.

If that's the case then Laura didn't really get raped by Luke because we all know she wanted it. GMAB

Laura was an entirely different case. Laura had a choice and she said no. Luke persisted. That was rape because Laura was forced and had no choice. You can't compare the two because Sami had a choice.

Edited May 13, 200817 yr by Skin