This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

And Fmr. Senator George McGorvern has switched his allegiance from Clinton to Obama.

Did McGovern make an endorsement as a superdelegate or was he leaning towards her?

Did McGovern make an endorsement as a superdelegate or was he leaning towards her?

The article I read doesn't indicate that he's a delegate. It says that he supported her early on and is now backing Obama and would like her to get out of the race.

Is Hilary Clinton basically saying that the results of the primaries mean nothing unless they're results in her favor because she intends to take over the White House regardless? I know they're spinning that she's lending her campaign money because she is so dedicated to the fight for the American people but the flip side of that is that she's ambitious and wants power. Grabbing power is fine and dandy for those who like that sort of stuff but trying to disguise it as for the people is a little ridiculous when one is willing to destroy one's own party to get it.

The article I read doesn't indicate that he's a delegate. It says that he supported her early on and is now backing Obama and would like her to get out of the race.

Okay thanks Wales

Is Hilary Clinton basically saying that the results of the primaries mean nothing unless they're results in her favor because she intends to take over the White House regardless? I know they're spinning that she's lending her campaign money because she is so dedicated to the fight for the American people but the flip side of that is that she's ambitious and wants power. Grabbing power is fine and dandy for those who like that sort of stuff but trying to disguise it as for the people is a little ridiculous when one is willing to destroy one's own party to get it.

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Well I don't blame Hillary for being power hungry. Dubya and Cheney have done everything they can to destroy hers and her husband's legacy and she wants to get back into the position she is fighting for to restore some of that legacy. She also is staying in this race to make sure everyone gets a chance to vote

im canadian and im going to go to oregon and start campainging for her...this is getting stupid...she was the favourite with the media until obama came from nowhere...truley you guys want someone with no experience runnning the white house??? running your country...it will be a country run by advisors and people he asskes what should i do lame..

Well I don't blame Hillary for being power hungry. Dubya and Cheney have done everything they can to destroy hers and her husband's legacy and she wants to get back into the position she is fighting for to restore some of that legacy. She also is staying in this race to make sure everyone gets a chance to vote

Protecting a legacy is a personal conquest and it's all good that you feel she is trying to give everyone a chance to vote. It doesn't negate the fact that when the results aren't the ones she wants then it doesn't matter to her. She's still willing to rip the party to shreds to get what she wants. That's fine for people who applaud ambition but it's not doing the Democrats an ounce of good and America is not the personal playground of Bill and Hilary Clinton. It's not like she's staving off a takeover of a corporation, She's saying that the White House belongs to her and she'll mow down anyone standing in her way and the rules should be rewritten to make it happen for her. It's an at all costs mentality that is destructive because it's saying that certain voters votes don't count when they're not for her. It's extremely divisive and she's beginning to look more like a dictator than someone who embraces democracy.

Under other circumstances her tenacity might seem great but it isn't when it looks like it's more about some sort of entitlement. She's not the model of a unifying force right now.

Is Hilary Clinton basically saying that the results of the primaries mean nothing unless they're results in her favor because she intends to take over the White House regardless? I know they're spinning that she's lending her campaign money because she is so dedicated to the fight for the American people but the flip side of that is that she's ambitious and wants power. Grabbing power is fine and dandy for those who like that sort of stuff but trying to disguise it as for the people is a little ridiculous when one is willing to destroy one's own party to get it.

That is what I think she needs to see. It's not about what is in her best interest......I thought it was about the country, as she has said many times before. If she is only getting back in there to get back at people or for the reason that she deserves to be president and nothing else......

1. She has been selling a bill of goods to the people, and.....

2. She is no better than the current occupent of the OO.

im canadian and im going to go to oregon and start campainging for her...this is getting stupid...she was the favourite with the media until obama came from nowhere...truley you guys want someone with no experience runnning the white house??? running your country...it will be a country run by advisors and people he asskes what should i do lame..

And you're implying that none of the presidents of this country have had advisors. You think all of the leaders of this country did it all on their own? Does she not have a team helping her?

I hope you have fun in Oregon and maybe people from all over the world should come over and campaign for whoever they want because clearly the American system isn't working. Do you realize how insulting you sound?

It doesn't negate the fact that when the results aren't the ones she wants then it doesn't matter to her.

For the most part, some of the results do not matter because Obama is winning states that we have no chance of getting in November. What matters to her is having momentum and maintaining a higher lead over McCain than Obama to get the nomination.

They are also both about doing what they can to get into The White House. That is true of anyone who runs for president

I hope you have fun in Oregon and maybe people from all over the world should come over and campaign for whoever they want because clearly the American system isn't working. Do you realize how insulting you sound?

Where do you get this idea that he thinks the American system isn't working? In some ways, I agree it is not because I want the electoral system gone and abolished since they do not always guarantee the winner of the popular vote is the president (a la 2000)

For the most part, some of the results do not matter because Obama is winning states that we have no chance of getting in November. What matters to her is having momentum and maintaining a higher lead over McCain than Obama to get the nomination.

They are also both about doing what they can to get into The White House. That is true of anyone who runs for president

You can try to put them on equal footing as much as you want but he's not trying to destroy the Democratic party or have rules rewritten to get him the nomination. She's on a whole other level when it comes to that. In fact, he would have been long gone had their positions been reversed.

If he's winning in states that won't matter in November then what you're saying is the primaries are a waste of time. What's the point in using the argument that she wants everyone to get a chance to vote if you then get to pick and choose what counts and what doesn't? Why not declare the Democrats a dictatorship and let her have it? If having momentum matters to her then she's lost it and after your accurate polls worked so well to predict yesterday's results, I just know you are not suggesting to me that any of them saying she has a higher lead over McCain means something that people can bank on.

For the most part, some of the results do not matter because Obama is winning states that we have no chance of getting in November. What matters to her is having momentum and maintaining a higher lead over McCain than Obama to get the nomination.

They are also both about doing what they can to get into The White House. That is true of anyone who runs for president

He has no chance of winning in November?

Lord.

And......what momentum? She got her head handed to her last night, in a state that her higher ups were saying she would win. Also, wasn't it posted that she was up by 12 points in a state she won by 2 points?

With all due respect, I'm just alittle tired of every state Obama winning either not being big enough or important enough when he wins them.......but they are important when she wins.

Let's ee how important these states will be if she pulls some backroom crap and steals a nomination that rightfully belongs to Obama.