Where on Earth do I get upset with people who do not love Hillary? I believe I have said before that I understand why people do not agree with her and that I disagree with some of the things she does. But that does not excuse this "Oh I see" kind of tone you have and that usually means something negative..it is tiring

I am not saying you should not have an opinion but that you can say it with a little more properness. That is the issue and I am not seeing where I get upset over negativity towards her. I understand why people do not like her. Sometimes it is naive but others it is well regarded by me as an intelligent dissent.

Not on my case? You reply to literally every post I make here with this "Oh I see" and "Interesting" and "I understand" with sarcasm and this condescending attitude...that does not make you better than anyone. Heck we all have flaws and strengths so there is no need to come off as if one is more superior. I certainly have not done that here no matter what you think.

Speak for yourself about realizations...I believe in certain polls and you respond by saying, "Oh I see. So if she is behind, it is inaccurate"...it is as if I cannot believe in these polls and make judgments on which ones are reliable and what ones aren't, according to you. That is just how I interpret it.

Also, didn't you say a while back that you are "done" with this thread? I thought you were done...but here you are posting away. Makes you go hmmm.

And I remember someone telling me they were through with this board.

I never said you can't believe in whatever you want to believe in. But if I say that i saw a different poll, you say that poll is not to be trusted. Now........how does soemone take that?

And I'll post how I want to. I can't help how you take it. But, maybe, sometimes...........you may consider how you may come of to people. You may think I'm talking down to you........but maybe sometimes it may seem to me you don't hear what some are saying when they say AAs might not vote for Hillary........or she FOS..........or her husband is FOS........or they have run a bad campaign, etc., etc., etc.

So maybe that stuff from you is tiring as well.

Just saying.

Yay. We can start our own AHP (Anti-Hillary Posse)

Shawn where on Earth did you get that "Bros Before Hos" graphic? I just LMAO when I saw it

And I remember someone telling me they were through with this board.

I never said you can't believe in whatever you want to believe in. But if I say that i saw a different poll, you say that poll is not to be trusted. Now........how does soemone take that?

And I'll post how I want to. I can't help how you take it. But, maybe, sometimes...........you may consider how you may come of to people. You may think I'm talking down to you........but maybe sometimes it may seem to me you don't hear what some are saying when they say AAs might not vote for Hillary........or she FOS..........or her husband is FOS........or they have run a bad campaign, etc., etc., etc.

So maybe that stuff from you is tiring as well.

Just saying.

Okay so we are both guilty of misrepresenting something ...you had a reason to return, just like I did. Agree

all I am saying is my opinion on polls....at the politics forum I post at, we discuss polls and how some are known to not be accurate. We can just believe in polls but it can be done, I guess, friendlier

Just saying

I understand why people do not like her. Sometimes it is naive but others it is well regarded by me as an intelligent dissent.

This is somewhat funny to me because it's in the eye of the beholder as to what is a naive or intelligent reason not to like her.

I know when I expressed that I didn't care for her (and it really begun with what I see as her lack of honesty which has since gotten worse), someone dismissed it as a stupid reason. I may be puzzled by the devotion to her but that's my problem and I'm not about to suggest that people have stupid reasons for liking or disliking her. The same with the other candidates.

People are dismissed on a regular basis for liking Obama as he is supposed to be all about a feeling and some words. Yet those same people can't acknowledge that their candidate is about a feeling and some words too. Standing in front of a crowd of people saying what you are going to do is not the same as doing it and until it's done then it's nothing but words too. It's nothing but a bunch of double standards at this point.

People are dismissed on a regular basis for liking Obama as he is supposed to be all about a feeling and some words. Yet those same people can't acknowledge that their candidate is about a feeling and some words too.

Obama seems to tug more on feelings and emotions whereas Hillary tugs on plans for what she will do as president. She is always specific about it whereas he sometimes has to get more detailed to be more precise on his ideas

Obama seems to tug more on feelings and emotions whereas Hillary tugs on plans for what she will do as president. She is always specific about it whereas he sometimes has to get more detailed to be more precise on his ideas

To you he seems to be doing that but I imagine the people who support him see him as a viable candidate with plans and are not just swept up in emotions.

Anyway all you're doing for me is saying that Obama isn't much of a candidate since he's just a feeling and well, Hilary Clinton is specific. So if he turns out to be the candidate then you'll be stuck voting for a feeling since a feeling will be better than the alternative? Does that about sum it up?

Who do you guys think Al Gore and John Edwards will endorse? I think if Gore endorses hillary that will give her campaign a big boost if she can stay alive with these primaries tonight. I think it would also give obama a boost also. I feel john edwards endorsement would have made more of an impression months ago. I still get the feeling that he is trying to see who is the definitive winner so he could be on the list for potential VP's.

Obama Win NC!!!!!!

IND. is now listed as Too Close To Call!!!!

I do surveys as part of my job. Zogby is no better or no worse than any other. NC was a runaway for Obama, just as predicted. Indiana will go for Clinton. I don't see Obama picking up 50,000 votes by the time the evening is over. However, Zogby had Obama up by 4, other surveys had Hillary up by 4. That 4 is well within the margin of error for surveys. I think all of those had a margin of error of +/- 3, which means 6 points either way. All that tells you is the race is going to be close. Now a lot of those surveys said Hillary and Obama were running close in NC. Obviously those were wrong. Or perhaps all the undecided voters broke for Obama. I tend to think the latter.

In Indiana, the race is close. Hillary is going to win, but when all is said and done, it's going to be a 5 percentage point margin which is close in a primary. I also think it's going to be less than 50,000 votes, which is real close.

You know, back on my favorite topic, my dislike for the media, all of those folks who say that Hillary voters won't go for Obama and Obama voters won't go for Hillary in the general, are kidding themselves. The media gas bags are getting on my nerves big time. Yeah right and the God Squad will not vote for McCain. God Squad will continue to vote R and the Democratic party is going to unite just fine behind the nominee. I will tell you, I support Obama and I'm mad that Hillary went negative and I'm really pissed she went negative on Bill O'Reilly's show. But I suspect somebody can bring things my guy did too. LOL. Believe me, I want a Democrat and not four more years of Bush only with the name McCain.

Edited May 7, 200817 yr by Jess

Obama just gave a great speech.

I do surveys as part of my job. Zogby is no better or no worse than any other. NC was a runaway for Obama, just as predicted. Indiana will go for Clinton. I don't see Obama picking up 50,000 votes by the time the evening is over. However, Zogby had Obama up by 4, other surveys had Hillary up by 4. That 4 is well within the margin of error for surveys. I think all of those had a margin of error of +/- 3, which means 6 points either way. All that tells you is the race is going to be close. Now a lot of those surveys said Hillary and Obama were running close in NC. Obviously those were wrong. Or perhaps all the undecided voters broke for Obama. I tend to think the latter.

In Indiana, the race is close. Hillary is going to win, but when all is said and done, it's going to be a 5 percentage point margin which is close in a primary. I also think it's going to be less than 50,000 votes, which is real close.

You know, back on my favorite topic, my dislike for the media, all of those folks who say that Hillary voters won't go for Obama and Obama voters won't go for Hillary in the general, are kidding themselves. The media gas bags are getting on my nerves big time. Yeah right and the God Squad will not vote for McCain. God Squad will continue to vote R and the Democratic party is going to unite just fine behind the nominee. I will tell you, I support Obama and I'm mad that Hillary went negative and I'm really pissed she went negative on Bill O'Reilly's show. But I suspect somebody can bring things my guy did too. LOL. Believe me, I want a Democrat and not four more years of Bush only with the name McCain.

I wonder how that played to voters........Dems and Mods who don't like the Ultra Right Wing. I think the gas tax debate may have hurt her more than anything else........that and the fact that not one economist said it was a good idea.

It got that Wright garbage off the table, and got to something substansive. Something that effects voters' lives.

The MSM? Screw 'em. They were made to look like the fools that most of them are tonight.

I wonder how that played to voters........Dems and Mods who don't like the Ultra Right Wing. I think the gas tax debate may have hurt her more than anything else........that and the fact that not one economist said it was a good idea.

It got that Wright garbage off the table, and got to something substansive. Something that effects voters' lives.

The MSM? Screw 'em. They were made to look like the fools that most of them are tonight.

I think the gas tax is backfiring. She stole it from McCain and also it is such a sham. I think the entire Michigan and Florida thing is starting to backfire. She agreed with the party and now she moves the goal post every single day. It seems to bring back all the bad memories about the Clintons that they change the rules to meet their needs. The O'Reilly show really bothered me because it was going into the enemy camp and throwing a bomb back into our back yard. It's like the entire Rush Limbaugh thing. Everyone knows, and he has said, he is calling on people to vote for her because it is driving a wedge in the democratic party. Now I don't think Republicans follow lock step behind him, but her encouraging it, well ewwww. I agree you can't govern if you can't win, but this is a democratic year. Some of the thing that she has done, in my opinion, border on desperation and an attitude that she will burn the party rather than see Obama win. However, if she gets the nomination I'll ring doorbells for her and give her my vote. Hillary or Obama either one is head and shoulders better than McCain.

Did anyone else hear that Rush Limbaugh was telling his republican listeners in Indiana to vote for Hillary? It seems that 1 in 10 voters in the Indiana race are republicans, I wonder if obama would of won without Rush's so called "Operation Chaos." Seriously how pathetic are some of these republicans???

It was reported on MSNBC that that stuff had no effect whatsoever.

Rush, once again.........looks like the racist fool that he is.