This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

I'm gonna quit arguing and bitching about Obama and his fierce supporters and I'm quitting being so fierce over Hillary. I get your points Roman and agree that Hillary probably did just lie about Bosnia, but I still think her decision was based on lack of sleep and being tired. But she was wrong to do so and her advisers should have stopped her from doing so. I like Obama.

I may seem like a dog in pursuit of a bone on this issue about being sleep deprived, tired and "misspeaking" about what should be considered a traumatic event but I can't see how a person can "misspeak" about something like that. I am certainly not her and I don't know how sharp of a memory she has on day to day events but I'm sure she does so many things that she can't possibly recall them all and as time goes by it's even harder to recall. I just know that from personal experience that traumatic events will stand out more vividly than what you ate for breakfast the day before, unless you block them out of your memory.

Her "misspeaking" would be plausible if she had been around sniping at some other time and she mixed up story locations or times but that wasn't said to be the case at all. It's nothing personal against her because I'd react the same way to anyone telling a story like that and later saying he/she misspoke about it.

Nope I never said the above.....aside from his position on stem cell research and maybe torture (he says he is anti torture. If so, why did he vote against making waterboarding illegal?), he is no different from Bush

He's probably no different from other people who justify whatever they want to justify. I don't agree with you that he's another Bush though. I probably won't take much notice of him until the drama with the democrats plays out.

I'm gonna quit arguing and bitching about Obama and his fierce supporters and I'm quitting being so fierce over Hillary. I get your points Roman and agree that Hillary probably did just lie about Bosnia, but I still think her decision was based on lack of sleep and being tired. But she was wrong to do so and her advisers should have stopped her from doing so. I like Obama.

Mulder, stay passionate, my friend.

All I think I'm saying is that look at both sides of both canidates, and that will do us all better as Independent thinking voters for whoever gets the nom (Obama I hope . I couldn't resist. Sorry ).

But.......you really took a HUGE step by saying that Hillary's campaign has had some poor planning and execution. Obama has done his fair share of stumbling, but 1. He can admit that he has done it, lending himself to the feeling that even if you don't like him, you can have alittle respect for him because he can admit when he screwed up, and 2. She needs to back up, look at all the mistakes that her campaign has made, keep on with the self reflection that she ahs started lately, STOP ATTACKING OBAMA, and build herself for a future run.

And, for the record......if Hillary had ran a self reflecting campaign, kept her husband at home, and got rid of people like Mark Penn and the like ealier, she may be leading.

He's probably no different from other people who justify whatever they want to justify. I don't agree with you that he's another Bush though. I probably won't take much notice of him until the drama with the democrats plays out.

Trust me, he is pretty much the same as Bush and won't put this country on the right path

As someone who admired this man 8 years ago, I now feel McCain is actually more dangerous than Bush.

I'm just hearing WAY too much stuff about himthat has turned me completely off to him.

He is more dangerous than Bush, Roman, because he has a brain

I really thought McCain was the really deal but now he seems just every other rightwing guy.

Either straight talk Johns McCain was an act or he is willing to do or say anything to win the White House.

The stupid thing if he was still straight talk John McCain he would be able to pick off tons of Obama or Clintion voters who will refuse to vote for Obama or Clinton depending who get's the nom.

instead he's gone way to the right and Obama or Clinton voters will instead stay home ,which means who could still win.

However Obama seems to be the only one elft to be able to draw Dems , Indy and GOP voters.

Edited April 11, 200817 yr by Southofnowhere

I really thought McCain was the really deal but now he seems just every other rightwing guy.

Either straight talk Johns McCain was an act or he is willing to do or say anything to win the White House.

Oh yep he is a definite Republican, not a RINO (I consider Arnold Schwarzenegger a RINO...Arnold is more liberal than, probably, Joe Lieberman. He pretty much is a Democrat in Republican clothing).

I lost respect for McCain when he sucked up to Bush in 2004 after Bush smeared him like no other in 2000

According to GMA this AM obama is tied with McCain with both at 45% to hillary's 48%, this is from a national poll.

So Hillary is beating McCain? Sweet

If hillary doesn't win big in Pennyslvannia, with a least a 10% lead in the votes, I really think hillary needs to call obama at 3 am( since thats her favortie time of the day.lol) and tell him she will end her bid for the presidential nom if he makes her his vp. Because there's no way she is gonna win this if she doesn't get 90% of the remaining delegates and beats obama by big margins in the next couple of races. Obama currently has a 130 plus delegate lead over hillary, so whatever states she wins obama will get some of those delegates also, so statistically he will still be ahead no matter what unless like I said she wins huge I'm talking about hillary 60% and to obama 40% win, does anyone honestly think this will happen? I honestly don't think the SD's are gonna vote for her over obama if he has the lead. Waiting till the Dem's convention is going to be very damaging and more people will start looking at McCain, just look at the poll numbers above.

It will all basically be decided by superdelegates, which is why I don't think they should exist. The contest, for the next go around, needs to be based on pledged delegates only.

Colin Powell is now praising Obama...not good for Obama! I think this will hurt him:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../wuspols211.xml

Colin Powell praises Barack Obama

By Alex Spillius

Last Updated: 12:18am BST 11/04/2008

Colin Powell, the former US secretary of state, paid tribute to Barack Obama yesterday, praising the young senator's handling of his presidential campaign while playing down his inexperience.

Gen Powell said: "He doesn't have experience at the senior levels of national government. But I've seen other individuals who have come along that didn't have that breadth of experience."

Gen Powell, a Republican, is yet to endorse a candidate. He described Mr Obama, Hillary Clinton and John McCain all as "friends", but his remarks will fuel speculation that he will back Mr Obama in his bid to become the first black US president.

Colin Powell is now praising Obama...not good for Obama! I think this will hurt him:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../wuspols211.xml

Colin Powell praises Barack Obama

By Alex Spillius

Last Updated: 12:18am BST 11/04/2008

Colin Powell, the former US secretary of state, paid tribute to Barack Obama yesterday, praising the young senator's handling of his presidential campaign while playing down his inexperience.

Gen Powell said: "He doesn't have experience at the senior levels of national government. But I've seen other individuals who have come along that didn't have that breadth of experience."

Gen Powell, a Republican, is yet to endorse a candidate. He described Mr Obama, Hillary Clinton and John McCain all as "friends", but his remarks will fuel speculation that he will back Mr Obama in his bid to become the first black US president.

I disagree that it will hurt him. Colin Powell is still pretty respected by some people and it's not as if he's a radical person that is in the midst of great controversy. He's very low key and he comes across as trustworthy. I don't see where he said anything that is going to hurt Obama and I doubt if he praised or praises either or both of the other candidates it would be deemed as being hurtful to them. I fail to see how what he said is going to hurt Obama.

He has praised all 3 and Obama has the toughest stance agianst the WAR of the three.

This will only help Obama with GOP and Indy voters.

There has been talk in the Obama camp about making him the running mate but it won't happen because he backed the war.

Edited April 11, 200817 yr by Southofnowhere