This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

Damn. This [!@#$%^&*] is fucked up.

Ugh. <sigh>

We have a gay marriage ban proposition here in Ca. too. I must admit that I have not researched it too much, but the ad they are running to ban these marriages is annoying. What is comes down too is if it bucks the status quo, then it's got to be bad.

I say change the definition of what marriage is. Who says it has to be between a man and a woman. In my opinion, if two people can make that commitment to each other, it should be honored and celebrated by all.

Candidates spent $28 million on ads last week; McCain 100% negative

From USA Today:

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/...t-obama-mc.html

The Wisconsin Advertising Project is out with some eye-popping numbers today: The two presidential campaigns and their parties spent $28 million on ads the week of Sept. 28-Oct. 4. That's nearly twice as much as what was spent three weeks earlier.

It's also a lot higher than a comparable week in 2004. Back then, the group says, the two campaigns, their parties and their interest-group allies spent just over $18 million.

Democrat Barack Obama, who has bypassed the public funding system in favor of raising unlimited cash on his own, is spending a lot more than Republican John McCain and the national GOP. For the week of Sept. 28, the group says, Obama's advantage was $17.5 million to $11 million.

More than half the money spent by each side went to Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Ohio drew the most spending -- $2.2 million from Obama, $1.7 million from McCain and the GOP.

Among the observations in the detailed press release on the data: “Ten of the fifteen states where both candidates are advertising were won by (President) Bush in the 2004 election,” said Ken Goldstein, professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and director of the Wisconsin Advertising Project. “The campaign is being played on the Republican side of the field this year.”

Also from Goldstein: "Nearly 100% of the McCain campaign’s advertisements were negative" while 34% of Obama's ads were negative.

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And Cindy McCain thinks Obama is running a nasty campaign?

Campbell Brown is doing an interesting story about how McCain has been getting crowds riled up almost too much, and how that's kind of dangerous given Obama's race. She wasn't saying that McCain is racist at all, but just that if you get crowds really angry, it becomes a little dangerous. She also referred to people using his middle name in rallies. Obviously that story favors Obama, but our country does still have crazies in it.

Lol at Cindy McCain today. She looked like SHE could've been in the military with that outfit.

Edited October 9, 200817 yr by bandbfan

Good point by Michelle Obama. If there was going to be a big Bradley effect, it would've happened during the primaries.

Back when it was Barack vs Hillary. This lady said that the white Democratics men was voting for a Obama because they didn't want a woman. But when it comes down to Obama vs McCain they will vote for McCain because they can't vote for a black man.

My thing is now that Mccain got Palin who is slow in the head. Are these white democratics men still going to vote for McCain.

Lesse... Palin is slow in the head...

Hmmm... well, I personally think she is smarter than a lot of white, black, green, yellow, or any color of some "democratics men" period.

We have a gay marriage ban proposition here in Ca. too. I must admit that I have not researched it too much, but the ad they are running to ban these marriages is annoying. What is comes down too is if it bucks the status quo, then it's got to be bad.

I say change the definition of what marriage is. Who says it has to be between a man and a woman. In my opinion, if two people can make that commitment to each other, it should be honored and celebrated by all.

DITTO

Marriage should be between two people that want to committ to each other.

Gee I wonder what would happen of one of McCain or Palin's kid's came home one day and said Mom, Dad I'm gay.

Brian is absoultely right regarding the fact that blacks tend to be very monolithic in how they vote: all I need to do to prove is point is to mention the fact that the Democrats always get 90% of the black vote in every single election. No other group--including gays--consistently votes for one political party 90% of the time. And, because they always vote for Democrats in such huge numbers, the Democrats completely take the black vote for granted.

Quite frankly, I'm getting upset over the suggestion that some Obama supporters are making over the fact that one must be a racist if he chooses to vote against Obama. There are plenty of reasons other than race--such as his lack of experience, his inability to confront leaders in his own party, and his left-wing economic and foreign policies--as to why somebody would choose to vote against Obama.

P.S. Regarding the issue of gay marriage, I always find it absurdly amusing how the Republicans are solely to blame for getting in the way of it. The fact of the matter is that most Democrats--including Obama and Biden--are opposed to legalizing gay marriage. Yet, when Democrats oppose gay marriage, the gays give them a free pass because "it's something they have to do to get elected." On the other hand, everytime a Republican opposes gay marriage, he's accused of hating all gay people.

Edited October 9, 200817 yr by Max

DITTO

Marriage should be between two people that want to committ to each other.

Gee I wonder what would happen of one of McCain or Palin's kid's came home one day and said Mom, Dad I'm gay.

In the interests of fairness, none of the candidates support gay marriage. My governor does not either but he's not in favor of fighting against it.

Eh, I went to work. Got a verbal warning for being out, as I was accused of holding up the place by my absence

WHAT THE.......

And to think that when I have time of sick I feel guilty for letting my workmates down.

It seems that you really can't win, if you go in ill and effect your workmates then you are the bad one as well and you are told why didn't you stay one.

Brian is absoultely right regarding the fact that blacks tend to be very monolithic in how they vote: all I need to do to prove is point is to mention the fact that the Democrats always get 90% of the black vote in every single election. No other group--including gays--consistently votes for one political party 90% of the time. And, because they always vote for Democrats in such huge numbers, the Democrats completely take the black vote for granted.

Quite frankly, I'm getting upset over the suggestion that some Obama supporters are making over the fact that one must be a racist if he chooses to vote against Obama. There are plenty of reasons other than race--such as his lack of experience, his inability to confront leaders in his own party, and his left-wing economic and foreign policies--as to why somebody would choose to vote against Obama.

P.S. Regarding the issue of gay marriage, I always find it absurdly amusing how the Republicans are solely to blame for getting in the way of it. The fact of the matter is that most Democrats--including Obama and Biden--are opposed to legalizing gay marriage. Yet, when Democrats oppose gay marriage, the gays give them a free pass because "it's something they have to do to get elected." On the other hand, everytime a Republican opposes gay marriage, he's accused of hating all gay people.

Yeah, what HE said!

Brian is absoultely right regarding the fact that blacks tend to be very monolithic in how they vote: all I need to do to prove is point is to mention the fact that the Democrats always get 90% of the black vote in every single election. No other group--including gays--consistently votes for one political party 90% of the time. And, because they always vote for Democrats in such huge numbers, the Democrats completely take the black vote for granted.

Quite frankly, I'm getting upset over the suggestion that some Obama supporters are making over the fact that one must be a racist if he chooses to vote against Obama. There are plenty of reasons other than race--such as his lack of experience, his inability to confront leaders in his own party, and his left-wing economic and foreign policies--as to why somebody would choose to vote agains Obama.

Have you not read that some people in this thread said that black people tend to vote for Democrats because of that party's record on civil rights? The Democrats probably take that for granted in some instances but that party is still more representative of the interests of minorities as a whole than the Republican party is at this point. A segment of the minorities that support the Republican party vote their economic interests which those voters probably see as the most prevalent of any issues that concern them.

It's a fact that racist people will vote against Obama. I think for the most part Obama supporters recognize that there are other reasons besides race that may prompt people to not vote for/vote against Obama. Just as they recognize that some people are voting for him on the basis of race.

You lose me with that left wing partisan rhetoric. People don't assume that anyone who takes a conservative position on issues of significance to that individual will want someone in office who is liberal on those issues.

P.S. Regarding the issue of gay marriage, I always find it absurdly amusing how the Republicans are solely to blame for getting in the way of it. The fact of the matter is that most Democrats--including Obama and Biden--are opposed to legalizing gay marriage. Yet, when Democrats oppose gay marriage, the gays give them a free pass because "it's something they have to do to get elected." On the other hand, everytime a Republican opposes gay marriage, he's accused of hating all gay people.

I guess I must've missed in this thread where anyone accused Republicans of hating all gay people. I think there is a difference between saying that the party is not "welcoming" to gay people and suggesting that the party hates gay people. Now someone did mention that the minister at the church where Palin is a member believes in the conversion of gay people....that's still not an accusation of hatred from her but a point of concern about her beliefs.

P.S. Regarding the issue of gay marriage, I always find it absurdly amusing how the Republicans are solely to blame for getting in the way of it. The fact of the matter is that most Democrats--including Obama and Biden--are opposed to legalizing gay marriage. Yet, when Democrats oppose gay marriage, the gays give them a free pass because "it's something they have to do to get elected." On the other hand, everytime a Republican opposes gay marriage, he's accused of hating all gay people.

Well not mentioning the "marriage" issue specifically, I think it's just rights in general that the Republican platform isn't favorable to.

The volume of ignorance here is overwhelming.

Bahaha that "jacket" that Suze Orman was wearing tonight needs to be spoofed on SNL when they do her.