This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

Who cares?

Maybe if you guys gave a little respect..you would get some in return..

My Drudge poll was blasted for being from a "neo-con" site...Is that respectful??

WOAH! Bill O'Reilly absolutely goes off on Barney Frank...I've never seen anything like this!! Crazy...

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You know something, Casey?

I and everyone else have tried repeatedly to give you respect. You don't seem to want to accept that, and what Wales said is true. How many times have we used exclamation points to get our points across? We have used them, but you seem to do it damn near every single time you post.

But now, once again, WE are the ones treating you with no respect.

Oh well.

It just doesn't matter. McCain is getting his ass kicked, and when the dust settles, maybe Obama can sedn him a ticket.....

When Obama is inagurated on Jan. 25th.

Edited October 3, 200817 yr by Roman

The Vice-President is the President of the Senate ex officio, and thus is the highest-ranking official of the Senate..limited or not..it serves a role in the legislature..Biden misquoted the constitution..

You really don't believe that do you? :lol:

Random? Yeah right!

CNN admitted to surveying an audience with a Democrat majority in the last debate. How can their Poll, on the debate winner, be any more credible than Drudge?..It's the exact argument that you use against Drudge...So you think people voting on Drudge..didn't watch the debate?? LOL!

Same question, you really don't believe that do you? :lol:

Ok how do vote's from people that aren't American count then.

I know that there is no way in hell that I would vote for McCain/Palin and I know that all my friends feel the same way. Obama/Biden would be the person that would be getting our votes.

Here in Australia we have to vote when there is an election we don't have a choice. It is either vote or be fined.

I think that even our way of getting the winner of the election is a lot easier.

We have electrates (lets say counties) and in a federal election lets say that there are 150 counties (there are more than that) and in order to win one party has to win 85 of them.

Edited October 3, 200817 yr by SnCCorinthos4ever

You know something, Casey?

I and everyone else have tried repeatedly to give you respect. You don't seem to want to accept that, and what Wales said is true. How many times have we used exclamation points to get our points across? We have used them, but you seem to do it damn near every single time you post.

Whatever Roman...you are the least respectful poster on this thread...give me a break..Why do all of you insist on making things personal??? If you can't handle my comebacks...(due to lack of respect)..then dont f-ing single me out!!!!!!!!

You guys think with your hearts instead of your minds...Democrats..:::Shakes head:::

But now, once again, WE are the ones treating you with no respect.

I put out what I receive...

Oh well.

It just doesn't matter. McCain is getting his ass kicked, and when the dust settles, maybe Obama can sedn him a ticket.....

When Obama is inagurated on Jan. 25th.

Care to make a wager??

Ok how do vote's from people that aren't American count then.

I know that there is no way in hell that I would vote for McCain/Palin and I know that all my friends feel the same way. Obama/Biden would be the person that would be getting our votes.

Here in Australia we have to vote when there is an election we don't have a choice. It is either vote or be fined.

Votes from non-Americans don't count. You still get to have an opinion though.

Voting is voluntary in America. Also, unlike most democracies, it is a two-step process in most states. You have to register to vote and then you have to make the decision to vote. I'm kind of in the minority on that. I don't think you should have to register, but I also don't think you should be compelled to vote. If people don't care enough to find out about an election, they should not vote.

You really don't believe that do you? :lol:

It's written in black and white in our constitution...yes I believe the constitution...unlike some..::cough:: Democrats ::cough:::

Same question, you really don't believe that do you? :lol:

Do you have a selective memory? Do you not remember the last CNN Poll? They admitted to surveying an audience with a Dem. majority..

I'll post it again for ya..

Votes from non-Americans don't count. You still get to have an opinion though.

Voting is voluntary in America. Also, unlike most democracies, it is a two-step process in most states. You have to register to vote and then you have to make the decision to vote. I'm kind of in the minority on that. I don't think you should have to register, but I also don't think you should be compelled to vote. If people don't care enough to find out about an election, they should not vote.

Once you turn 18 in Aust you have to registrar.

From memory there was even someone that was jailed for not voting at one stage.

Personally there are times that I just don't want to vote, like for council elections, but for state and federal I would like to have a say in who is in charge.

What makes me laugh are the people that scream the loudest when the sitting Govt does something that those people don'r like are the one that either voted for them or didn't vote in the first place.

Edited October 3, 200817 yr by SnCCorinthos4ever

It's written in black and white in our constitution...yes I believe the constitution...unlike some..::cough:: Democrats ::cough:::

Do you have a selective memory? Do you not remember the last CNN Poll? They admitted to surveying an audience with a Dem. majority..

I'll post it again for ya..

No I don't have selective memory, but I think you do. They did not admit to surveying an audience with a Dem majority, the admitted surveying undecided voters and most undecided voters classify themselves as democrats. Is that surprising to you?

As far as the Constitution, here is specifically what it says and it is in Article 2, the Executive:

"The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided."

That is what Biden said.

By the way, nobody is making personal attacks against you, you just take everything personally, particularly when anyone disagrees with you. Get over yourself and have fun with this.

McCain struggles to explain support for bailout

By SARA KUGLER – 3 hours ago

DENVER (AP) — Republican presidential candidate John McCain, who insists he would veto any pork barrel bills to come across his desk as president, is struggling to explain his vote for the revised financial bailout plan that contained a number of those pet projects.

In an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" program Thursday, McCain said the extra sweeteners added to the financial bailout bill that passed Wednesday night in the Senate are "just the way the system is working in Washington, and the reason why it's got to be fixed and it's got to be changed."

McCain has made a career of railing against the concept of pork barrel projects, which are special funding requests that lawmakers tuck into larger bills, to benefit their own districts or states. He even agreed with his interviewer that those types of projects are contributing to the nation's financial crisis, and said "this bill is putting us on the brink of disaster."

Later in the day, he predicted the resurrected financial bailout bill will pass the House on its second try, but said the $700 billion rescue plan is still just a bandage and not a cure.

On the eve of the make-or-break second vote for the bailout package, McCain spoke to several hundred women voters at a town hall meeting in Denver. The night before, he voted for the revised bailout in the Senate.

"It's like a tourniquet — it will stop the bleeding, then we have to set about fixing the way we do business in Washington, D.C.," he said.

As President Bush and congressional leaders lobbied hard for the bill's passage on Thursday, McCain was also making calls to try and win over skeptics, his campaign said.

But he surprised some by not speaking about it on the floor of the Senate as the vote went down Wednesday; just a week earlier he announced he was suspending his campaign to rush to Washington to deal with the financial crisis.

The economy was a top concern for many in the audience at his town hall meeting Thursday evening. Questioners, all of them women, asked him about affording college, health care, jobs and keeping small businesses afloat.

McCain seized the opportunity to attack Democrat Barack Obama and his running mate, Joe Biden, seeking to portray them as taxers and spenders whose policies will cause the country to hemorrhage jobs.

"This is about the Obama-Biden team that will kill jobs with higher taxes and the McCain-Palin team that's going to cut the second highest business tax in the world and create more jobs," McCain said.

While campaigning in Michigan earlier in the day, Obama hammered McCain on the same point, saying he's out of touch and doesn't understand the concerns of struggling Americans. Both candidates were focused on jobs ahead of the government's unemployment report due out Friday.

"Nine straight months of job loss," Obama said. "Yet, just the other week, John McCain said the fundamentals of the economy are strong. Well, I don't know what yardstick Sen. McCain uses, but where I come from, there's nothing more fundamental than a job."

Despite the focus on mostly economic issues at McCain's town hall meeting, the Republican candidate remarked that the gathering was "one of the more impactful and emotional town hall meetings I've ever had — maybe it's because it's a women's town hall meeting."

An Associated Press-GfK poll this week found that Obama has a big advantage among female likely voters, who support him 52 percent to McCain's 34 percent.

And in fact it was the women on Thursday who were urging McCain to toughen up. One audience member asked when he plans to "take the gloves off" against Obama.

The question drew a standing ovation and raucous cheers from the crowd.

Looking ahead to his next debate with Obama, a town hall style format, McCain said: "How about Tuesday night?"

Hello Jess, I am the CNN Poll from last week...Remember me??

Poll interviews were conducted with 524 adult Americans who watched the debate and were conducted by telephone on September 26. All interviews were done after the end of the debate. The margin of error for the survey is plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.

The results may be favoring Obama simply because more Democrats than Republicans tuned in to the debate. Of the debate-watchers questioned in this poll, 41 percent of the respondents identified themselves as Democrats, 27 percent as Republicans and 30 percent as independents

The best estimate of the number of Democrats in the voting age population as a whole indicates that the sample is roughly 5 to 7 percentage points more Democratic than the population as a whole.

Here is a description of the "science" that you tout behind the lone poll that Roman linked..The CNN poll..

I'll link it again so that you can read this for yourself...

Roman's CNN Poll- link

These numbers are pretty much in line with the "results" and conclusions that CNN came to..Isn't it?

I think it would serve some best if we just utilized the ignore feature

No I don't have selective memory, but I think you do. They did not admit to surveying an audience with a Dem majority, the admitted surveying undecided voters and most undecided voters classify themselves as democrats. Is that surprising to you?

As far as the Constitution, here is specifically what it says and it is in Article 2, the Executive:

"The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided."

That is what Biden said.

By the way, nobody is making personal attacks against you, you just take everything personally, particularly when anyone disagrees with you. Get over yourself and have fun with this.

Interesting.

NOW the CNN poll is to be believed.

Hmmm.........

Once you turn 18 in Aust you have to registrar.

From memory there was even someone that was jailed for not voting at one stage.

Personally there are times that I just don't want to vote, like for council elections, but for state and federal I would like to have a say in who is in charge.

What makes me laugh are the people that scream the loudest when the sitting Govt does something that those people don'r like are the one that either voted for them or didn't vote in the first place.

You know over here, I think people should either pay attention and vote or not complain. Voting and participation is part of democracy.

Hello Jess, I am the CNN Poll from last week...Remember me??

And Roman beats Casey 1-0 in posting polls.....

Period.

And now we return to out regularly scheduled ISSUES discussion......already in progress.......

Hello Jess, I am the CNN Poll from last week...Remember me??

So Casey, would you prefer that they ask people who did NOT watch the debate who won the debate?