Barack Obama Elected President!

[Roman]

Thank you for this. It is right on.

He did miss some golden opprotunities.

[Roman]

My gut?

Obama didn't lose. He did not get his ass kicked. By that not happening, did he lose......or did he win?

On face value, that's one thing. Deeper......what happened?

[Greg's GL]

NP, Roman.

[Wales2004]

I watched the post debate coverage on MSNBC (or rather as much as I could take) and I quickly came to the conclusion that none of what they were saying mattered to me and I don't know if they are out to influence people or if they truly believe they have their fingers on the pulse of the public at large.

The one surprising thing I saw was Keith Olbermann had Pat Buchanan on his show and I have never seen the two of them interact saw I watched mainly out of curiosity. So it was KO with Eugene Robinson and Pat Buchanan and me wasting my time....merely out of curiosity. I prefer KO in his regular Countdown format where he has guests on to support his point or when he's just giving his opinion. The problem I have with Eugene Robinson saying anyone needs to do this or that is that he is not good for tv. He stumbles too much through what he's saying which distracts me since I have a short attention span.

I was also surprised that McCain didn't tout his save the nation from economic woes plan and he said sure to the bailout. Overall I think he did a great job using those strategies like Obama is naive, I'm the maverick, and I'm just a former POW that loves all the veterans. The problem for me with those strategies is that he sounded patronizing and he didn't convince me that Obama doesn't understand, I don't care about maverick speak, and I've heard veterans speak out against him and that he didn't support the last G.I. Bill and being a former POW isn't what I'm looking at.

I am not caught up in who won and who didn't because people can spin it any way they want. Some people seem to base it on being in attack mode and are complaining that Obama didn't beat him down....but then others are complaining that McCain came off as too aggressive. I'm not interested in when candidates attack. I think most of what they're saying goes over the average person's head anyway because there are too many details involved to get a clear picture from a debate.....maybe a snapshot but then how accurate is that?

The key to this is the whole Presidential look. McCain's body language was wrong. He looked angry, too clenched up and he couldn't look his opponent in the eye. The words about bi-partisanship coming out of his mouth seem hollow when he can't look his opponent in the eye and seems to have too much contempt. Obama came across as Presidential.

[George008]

I guess constant references to MSNBC are considered objective? I don't think so..

[George008]

Is this because many are "spinning" the fact that McCain won?

[Roman]

Good thing I didn't ask you what you thought.

And I'll take MSNBC over a clown who reported the location of a soldier (Prince Harry) that put his life and the lives of his platoon in danger.

[George008]

In the effort to keep the "spin" alive...

Articles on McCain winning debate...

‘Senator McCain Is Absolutely Right…’--Barack Obama plays Mr. Nice Guy — and loses — in the first debate.

The Mac is back

It’s not about Obama’s race, it’s about policies

John McCain wins the first presidential debate

McCain Wins the First Debate

Analysis: Split decision, but John McCain wins first debate on points

Mac Wins, But Will It Matter?

McCain Wins Round 1-Obama Failed at His Number One Task

Obama's "Watch Moment"

[George008]

Nor I you, about Drudge! But you put in your two cents anyway..didn't you?

[Roman]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/27/deb...poll/index.html

[David_Vickers]

McCain did NOT win the debate. Only conservatives who support McCain state that. Thanks for proving that !

[Roman]

pharmer22 wrote:

Not sure what you were watching - McCain couldn't even look Obama in the eye. McCain lies about his opponent and interrupted him constantly - Obama dropped it - didn't go after him like he should have, but he's a gentleman not a brute. Sure glad he mentioned the POW camp again - didn't remember that. Oh - and those soldiers that reupped so their kids wouldn't have to go over there - they WILL be going over there if McCain is elected - he has already said that we could be over there for 100 years...

Guess everyone there isn't drinking the Kool-Aid.

We'll just look at the polls that have come out, not any spin.

[George008]

Here's an article from the conservative MSNBC

WHY MCCAIN WON -MSNBC

Here is an article from CNN noting independent's reaction to the debate.

Analysis: Independents -CNN

Conservative independents, Mulder?

[George008]

Roman, why not link them??

[George008]

How in the world is this a lie? Please explain that to me..

UPDATED: Obama said McCain is “right” nine times