Members Roman Posted September 27, 2008 Members Share Posted September 27, 2008 Thank you for this. It is right on. He did miss some golden opprotunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted September 27, 2008 Members Share Posted September 27, 2008 My gut? Obama didn't lose. He did not get his ass kicked. By that not happening, did he lose......or did he win? On face value, that's one thing. Deeper......what happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Greg's GL Posted September 27, 2008 Members Share Posted September 27, 2008 NP, Roman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted September 27, 2008 Members Share Posted September 27, 2008 I watched the post debate coverage on MSNBC (or rather as much as I could take) and I quickly came to the conclusion that none of what they were saying mattered to me and I don't know if they are out to influence people or if they truly believe they have their fingers on the pulse of the public at large. The one surprising thing I saw was Keith Olbermann had Pat Buchanan on his show and I have never seen the two of them interact saw I watched mainly out of curiosity. So it was KO with Eugene Robinson and Pat Buchanan and me wasting my time....merely out of curiosity. I prefer KO in his regular Countdown format where he has guests on to support his point or when he's just giving his opinion. The problem I have with Eugene Robinson saying anyone needs to do this or that is that he is not good for tv. He stumbles too much through what he's saying which distracts me since I have a short attention span. I was also surprised that McCain didn't tout his save the nation from economic woes plan and he said sure to the bailout. Overall I think he did a great job using those strategies like Obama is naive, I'm the maverick, and I'm just a former POW that loves all the veterans. The problem for me with those strategies is that he sounded patronizing and he didn't convince me that Obama doesn't understand, I don't care about maverick speak, and I've heard veterans speak out against him and that he didn't support the last G.I. Bill and being a former POW isn't what I'm looking at. I am not caught up in who won and who didn't because people can spin it any way they want. Some people seem to base it on being in attack mode and are complaining that Obama didn't beat him down....but then others are complaining that McCain came off as too aggressive. I'm not interested in when candidates attack. I think most of what they're saying goes over the average person's head anyway because there are too many details involved to get a clear picture from a debate.....maybe a snapshot but then how accurate is that? The key to this is the whole Presidential look. McCain's body language was wrong. He looked angry, too clenched up and he couldn't look his opponent in the eye. The words about bi-partisanship coming out of his mouth seem hollow when he can't look his opponent in the eye and seems to have too much contempt. Obama came across as Presidential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members George008 Posted September 27, 2008 Members Share Posted September 27, 2008 I guess constant references to MSNBC are considered objective? I don't think so.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members George008 Posted September 27, 2008 Members Share Posted September 27, 2008 Is this because many are "spinning" the fact that McCain won? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted September 27, 2008 Members Share Posted September 27, 2008 Good thing I didn't ask you what you thought. And I'll take MSNBC over a clown who reported the location of a soldier (Prince Harry) that put his life and the lives of his platoon in danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members George008 Posted September 27, 2008 Members Share Posted September 27, 2008 In the effort to keep the "spin" alive... Articles on McCain winning debate... ‘Senator McCain Is Absolutely Right…’--Barack Obama plays Mr. Nice Guy — and loses — in the first debate. The Mac is back It’s not about Obama’s race, it’s about policies John McCain wins the first presidential debate McCain Wins the First Debate Analysis: Split decision, but John McCain wins first debate on points Mac Wins, But Will It Matter? McCain Wins Round 1-Obama Failed at His Number One Task Obama's "Watch Moment" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members George008 Posted September 27, 2008 Members Share Posted September 27, 2008 Nor I you, about Drudge! But you put in your two cents anyway..didn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted September 27, 2008 Members Share Posted September 27, 2008 http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/27/deb...poll/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members David_Vickers Posted September 27, 2008 Members Share Posted September 27, 2008 McCain did NOT win the debate. Only conservatives who support McCain state that. Thanks for proving that ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted September 27, 2008 Members Share Posted September 27, 2008 pharmer22 wrote: Not sure what you were watching - McCain couldn't even look Obama in the eye. McCain lies about his opponent and interrupted him constantly - Obama dropped it - didn't go after him like he should have, but he's a gentleman not a brute. Sure glad he mentioned the POW camp again - didn't remember that. Oh - and those soldiers that reupped so their kids wouldn't have to go over there - they WILL be going over there if McCain is elected - he has already said that we could be over there for 100 years... Guess everyone there isn't drinking the Kool-Aid. We'll just look at the polls that have come out, not any spin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members George008 Posted September 27, 2008 Members Share Posted September 27, 2008 Here's an article from the conservative MSNBC WHY MCCAIN WON -MSNBC Here is an article from CNN noting independent's reaction to the debate. Analysis: Independents -CNN Conservative independents, Mulder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members George008 Posted September 27, 2008 Members Share Posted September 27, 2008 Roman, why not link them?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members George008 Posted September 27, 2008 Members Share Posted September 27, 2008 How in the world is this a lie? Please explain that to me.. UPDATED: Obama said McCain is “right” nine times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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