This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

McCain was condescending and angry throughout the debate. I've decided he is just a pissed off man. His ads are starting to backfire again, I think. As far as the Drudge poll, that was an online poll of people who log into his site. It would be like going to Obama's web site and voting on who won. Of course, McCain won, who goes to read the Drudge report? It's like the Fox poll. It ws 92 percent McCain, but really who votes on Fox online? If there is a biased and conservative s news outliet, that is it.

Does it seem to anyone else as if McCain has decided he'll participate in the events and then try to reconstruct history with paid ads? He seems to do the minimal campaign-wise, but then invest heavily in not only running ads, but promoting them in advance and also plopping them up quickly on the internet.

My gut?

Obama didn't lose. He did not get his ass kicked. By that not happening, did he lose......or did he win?

On face value, that's one thing. Deeper......what happened?

Thank you for this. It is right on.

He did miss some golden opprotunities.

NP, Roman.

I watched the post debate coverage on MSNBC (or rather as much as I could take) and I quickly came to the conclusion that none of what they were saying mattered to me and I don't know if they are out to influence people or if they truly believe they have their fingers on the pulse of the public at large.

The one surprising thing I saw was Keith Olbermann had Pat Buchanan on his show and I have never seen the two of them interact saw I watched mainly out of curiosity. So it was KO with Eugene Robinson and Pat Buchanan and me wasting my time....merely out of curiosity. I prefer KO in his regular Countdown format where he has guests on to support his point or when he's just giving his opinion. The problem I have with Eugene Robinson saying anyone needs to do this or that is that he is not good for tv. He stumbles too much through what he's saying which distracts me since I have a short attention span.

I was also surprised that McCain didn't tout his save the nation from economic woes plan and he said sure to the bailout. Overall I think he did a great job using those strategies like Obama is naive, I'm the maverick, and I'm just a former POW that loves all the veterans. The problem for me with those strategies is that he sounded patronizing and he didn't convince me that Obama doesn't understand, I don't care about maverick speak, and I've heard veterans speak out against him and that he didn't support the last G.I. Bill and being a former POW isn't what I'm looking at.

I am not caught up in who won and who didn't because people can spin it any way they want. Some people seem to base it on being in attack mode and are complaining that Obama didn't beat him down....but then others are complaining that McCain came off as too aggressive. I'm not interested in when candidates attack. I think most of what they're saying goes over the average person's head anyway because there are too many details involved to get a clear picture from a debate.....maybe a snapshot but then how accurate is that?

The key to this is the whole Presidential look. McCain's body language was wrong. He looked angry, too clenched up and he couldn't look his opponent in the eye. The words about bi-partisanship coming out of his mouth seem hollow when he can't look his opponent in the eye and seems to have too much contempt. Obama came across as Presidential.

Drudge?

Ok. That's objective.

I guess constant references to MSNBC are considered objective? I don't think so..

I am not caught up in who won and who didn't because people can spin it any way they want.

Is this because many are "spinning" the fact that McCain won?

I guess constant references to MSNBC are considered objective? I don't think so..

Good thing I didn't ask you what you thought.

And I'll take MSNBC over a clown who reported the location of a soldier (Prince Harry) that put his life and the lives of his platoon in danger.

Edited September 27, 200817 yr by Roman

In the effort to keep the "spin" alive...

Articles on McCain winning debate...

‘Senator McCain Is Absolutely Right…’--Barack Obama plays Mr. Nice Guy — and loses — in the first debate.

The Mac is back

It’s not about Obama’s race, it’s about policies

John McCain wins the first presidential debate

McCain Wins the First Debate

Analysis: Split decision, but John McCain wins first debate on points

Mac Wins, But Will It Matter?

I don't think there is any question John McCain won tonight's debate. It wasn't an overwhelming win, but it was solid.

McCain Wins Round 1-Obama Failed at His Number One Task

It has rattled Americans and between the two, McCain came off as the most reassuring. The crabby, grumbling, hotheaded McCain was nowhere to be seen. Instead we saw a calm, seasoned commander in chief . If you looked at your television and squinted slightly, you could better picture him addressing the country during a time of national crisis than Obama. Obama was often left flashing his smile and shaking his head at McCain.

When Obama tried his line about how McCain voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, McCain slapped back by ticking off a lit of issues where he has disagreed with Bush - like torture, conduct of the war in Iraq and federal spending and Guantanamo Bay. McCain never got rattled or flustered, he just constantly stayed focused on the attack.

The only good news for Obama is that any pain from this debate is likely to be short-lived. On Thursday, Sarah Palin meets Joe Biden in the only vice presidential debate. She can be painful to watch on television.

Obama's "Watch Moment"

The vast majority of serious reviews noted that McCain owned Obama on foreign policy issue after issue, and Politico's Roger Simon delivers the most comprehensive assessment on the substance, but Obama's cringe-inducing moment was one of the two or three that will define this debate as a significant McCain win. (Others were McCain's dismissive "You don't do that," while discussing Obama's threats against Pakistan and Obama's incoherent North Korean ramble.)

Edited September 27, 200817 yr by Casey008

Good thing I didn't ask you what you thought.

Nor I you, about Drudge! But you put in your two cents anyway..didn't you?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/27/deb...poll/index.html

In the effort to keep the "spin" alive...

Articles on McCain winning debate...

‘Senator McCain Is Absolutely Right…’--Barack Obama plays Mr. Nice Guy — and loses — in the first debate.

The Mac is back

It’s not about Obama’s race, it’s about policies

John McCain wins the first presidential debate

McCain Wins the First Debate

Analysis: Split decision, but John McCain wins first debate on points

Mac Wins, But Will It Matter?

McCain Wins Round 1-Obama Failed at His Number One Task

McCain did NOT win the debate. Only conservatives who support McCain state that. Thanks for proving that !

Edited September 27, 200817 yr by Mulder

pharmer22 wrote:

Not sure what you were watching - McCain couldn't even look Obama in the eye. McCain lies about his opponent and interrupted him constantly - Obama dropped it - didn't go after him like he should have, but he's a gentleman not a brute. Sure glad he mentioned the POW camp again - didn't remember that. Oh - and those soldiers that reupped so their kids wouldn't have to go over there - they WILL be going over there if McCain is elected - he has already said that we could be over there for 100 years...

Guess everyone there isn't drinking the Kool-Aid.

McCain did NOT win the debate. Only conservatives who support McCain state that.

We'll just look at the polls that have come out, not any spin.

McCain did NOT win the debate. Only conservatives who support McCain state that.

Here's an article from the conservative MSNBC

WHY MCCAIN WON -MSNBC

Here is an article from CNN noting independent's reaction to the debate.

Analysis: Independents -CNN

So what do independents think of the candidates? Do they hate them both? Actually, they like them both, but they like McCain somewhat more than Obama. The CNN poll found that 61 percent of independents had a favorable opinion of McCain, and 54 percent of independents had a favorable opinion of Obama.

Conservative independents, Mulder?

Edited September 27, 200817 yr by Casey008

We'll just look at the polls that have come out, not any spin.

Roman, why not link them??

Edited September 27, 200817 yr by Casey008

John McCain is NOT right on any damned thing. Another McCain lie.

How in the world is this a lie? Please explain that to me..

UPDATED: Obama said McCain is “right” nine times

Roman, why not link them??

Roman?