I never said you COULDN'T respond the way you wanted. But if you're gonna take issue with facts I present or statements I make, then at least address directly those facts or statements. I look at any other type of a response as a dodge because you apparently can't refute what I've offered up. If you don't wish to debate the point, then maybe concede the point, but please don't argue with me just for the sake of arguing... It's depressing and creates a conflict I otherwise don't wish to have with you...

Thanks...

One more time.

I'll concede a point when I feel I should concede a point.

How is saying I'll answer a post in the manner I see fit arguing with you?

If you don't want to have conflict, then agree to disagree with someone. But when someone tells you they have the right to answer a question in their own way.....

Try respecting taht, ok?

Thanks....

I think this Bloomberg.com article is nit picking since the veracity of these estimates don't mean much of anything:

McCain-Palin Crowd-Size Estimates Not Backed by Officials

By Lorraine Woellert and Jeff Bliss

Sept. 13 (Bloomberg) -- Senator John McCain has drawn some of the biggest crowds of his presidential campaign since adding Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to his ticket on Aug. 29. Now officials say they can't substantiate the figures McCain's aides are claiming.

McCain aide Kimmie Lipscomb told reporters on Sept. 10 that an outdoor rally in Fairfax City, Virginia, drew 23,000 people, attributing the crowd estimate to a fire marshal.

Fairfax City Fire Marshal Andrew Wilson said his office did not supply that number to the campaign and could not confirm it. Wilson, in an interview, said the fire department does not monitor attendance at outdoor events.

In recent days, journalists attending the rallies have been raising questions about the crowd estimates with the campaign. In a story on Sept. 11 about Palin's attraction for some Virginia women voters, Washington Post reporter Marc Fisher estimated the crowd to be 8,000, not the 23,000 cited by the campaign.

``The 23,000 figure was substantiated on the ground,'' McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds said. ``The campaign is willing to stand by the fact that it was our biggest crowd to date.''

``Since day one, this campaign has been consistent that we're not going to win or lose based on crowd size but the substance of John McCain's record,'' Bounds said.

Town Hall Meetings

Until Palin, 44, joined him on the campaign trail, McCain, 72, had limited his political events to smaller town hall meetings and rallies of a few hundred people. His Democratic rival, Barack Obama, an Illinois senator, routinely draws thousands of people to his speeches, a phenomenon McCain has tried to use to his advantage by labeling Obama, 47, a celebrity.

That changed on Aug. 30, at Palin's first big public appearance after her nomination. The McCain campaign said 10,000 people showed up at the Consol Energy Arena in Washington, Pennsylvania, home of the Washington Wild Things baseball team.

The campaign attributed that estimate, and several that followed, to U.S. Secret Service figures, based on the number of people who passed through magnetometers.

``We didn't provide any numbers to the campaign,'' said Malcolm Wiley, a spokesman for the U.S. Secret Service. Wiley said he would not ``confirm or dispute'' the numbers the McCain campaign has given to reporters.

That is EXACTLY the response I thought I would get.

Thanks.

That is EXACTLY the response I thought I would get.

Thanks.

Go McCain/Palin!

OK, call me McCain, since I'm not technologically gifted enough to offer the entire discussion, but this is what irritates me lately about you Casey.

First you ask for any other situations where the VP has more experience than the POTUS to be (with, I might add, the assumption this is rare and unlikely)

Then Jess posts several examples.

But then you are not pleased enough with those examples and you shift the argument. Well, now you want to talk about the "kind" of experience...

This is why you are occasionally hard to hold a discussion with, but I do find it to be something lately, as much much earlier in this thread, I was very pleased to see your side of things as a McCain supporter. I thought you came across much more civil. I don't know if certain posters have irritated you, or you've become more exasperated as the election season goes on, or even if you feel piled-up on here as one of the few McCain supporters.

You complain about wanting answers, but when they are given to you, you are not "happy" with the answers you receive; you find fault with them.

So I guess I'm "attacking" you here. Whatever.

That is what debate is about! What you guys need to realize is that we disagree for the most part. I am probably never going to be "pleased" with your response. Debating is essentially finding fault with your opponents arguments..If you guys want me to agree, be "pleased", or "happy" every time you respond..then this thread is probably not for you..

If anyone singles me out in the future...I will just ignore it...I am tired of justifying myself..leave me alone! If you want to refute a comment I have made fine, but stop talking about the way in which I debate. That is totally irrevalent! I'm sorry if my tone has changed. But it seems the further along we go the worse everyone's behavior is becoming...

Edited September 13, 200817 yr by Casey008

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/polit...14palin.html?em

In Office, Palin Hired Friends and Hit Critics

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/13/cam...?iref=hpmostpop

Obama aide: McCain campaign 'sleaziest' in modern history

This is tough talk.

FINALLY!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/opinion/14rich.html

The Palin-Whatshisname Ticket

Ok.

WTF is Georgia doin?!

You're beating a non-ranked team by a touchdown in the 3rd quarter?!

GET IT TOGETHER!!!!!!!

DAMN!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/13/cam...?iref=hpmostpop

Obama aide: McCain campaign 'sleaziest' in modern history

The louder the cries from Obama the more evident that the negative ads are working. This man doesn't seem to be tough enough to be the president. He seems very emotional. I don't want a whiner in the White House.

There is an opportunity to calmly refute negative ads, but when you get all worked up, you just seem frazzled.

The least demanding aspect of the presidency is the campaign, if you can not handle the selection process, you will not handle the job. [Woodrow Wilson 1916- during his second campaign]

Edited September 13, 200817 yr by Casey008

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/12/ab...y-war-question/

ABC Misrepresents Palin Quote in ‘Holy War’ Question

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/11/...in4442492.shtml

Ex-Clinton Aide: Media Tougher On Palin

Political Players: Former Clinton Chief Strategist Mark Penn Argues The Press Has Lost Its Credibility

CBSNews.com: So you think the media is being uniquely tough on Palin now?

Mark Penn: Well, I think that the media is doing the kinds of stories on Palin that they're not doing on the other candidates. And that's going to subject them to people concluding that they're giving her a tougher time.

The louder the cries from Obama the more evident that the negative ads are working. This man doesn't seem to be tough enough to be the president. He seems very emotional. I don't want a whiner in the White House.

There is an opportunity to calmly refute negative ads, but when you get all worked up, you just seem frazzled.

The least demanding aspect of the presidency is the campaign, if you can not handle the selection process, you will not handle the job. [Woodrow Wilson 1916- during his second campaign]

They always play SC like this! SC defense is always tough on the dawgs.

IA. We shouldn't have a whiner who can't stand up to scrutiny.

Obama/Biden '08!

And.......if Georgia doesn't pull away or loses, they drop in the polls.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/12/ab...y-war-question/

ABC Misrepresents Palin Quote in ‘Holy War’ Question

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/11/...in4442492.shtml

Ex-Clinton Aide: Media Tougher On Palin

Political Players: Former Clinton Chief Strategist Mark Penn Argues The Press Has Lost Its Credibility

CBSNews.com: So you think the media is being uniquely tough on Palin now?

Mark Penn: Well, I think that the media is doing the kinds of stories on Palin that they're not doing on the other candidates. And that's going to subject them to people concluding that they're giving her a tougher time.

Mark Penn.

Wasn't he fired from the Clinton campaign?

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/12/ab...y-war-question/

ABC Misrepresents Palin Quote in ‘Holy War’ Question

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/11/...in4442492.shtml

Ex-Clinton Aide: Media Tougher On Palin

Political Players: Former Clinton Chief Strategist Mark Penn Argues The Press Has Lost Its Credibility

CBSNews.com: So you think the media is being uniquely tough on Palin now?

Mark Penn: Well, I think that the media is doing the kinds of stories on Palin that they're not doing on the other candidates. And that's going to subject them to people concluding that they're giving her a tougher time.

Sad. The media will never learn. All of their efforts against Palin have backfired and will continue to do so.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/13/a...lin-statements/

Alaska National Guard General gets promoted after retracting damaging Palin statements

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/13/a...lin-statements/

Alaska National Guard General gets promoted after retracting damaging Palin statements

Strategic move on his part. I'm sure he is just another crook and liar..

Ok.

WTF is Georgia doin?!

You're beating a non-ranked team by a touchdown in the 3rd quarter?!

GET IT TOGETHER!!!!!!!

DAMN!

I'm not sure what it is, but ALL GA/SC games play out this way...SC always has a good defense and they seem to step it up for GA.

I don't think that will cause them to drop..hope not anyway..

Edited September 13, 200817 yr by Casey008