This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

I just read that hillary might take this race to the convention. I have no problem with hillary staying in this race for the next two weeks when the ruling for MI/FL will be final, and the last primaries. But this is really ridiculous for her to stay in after that, by then most of the SD's would have chosen their candidate, so why would she take the race all the way to the convention? Bill and Chelsea need to get her over this denial, thats just plain unhealthy.

I just read that hillary might take this race to the convention. I have no problem with hillary staying in this race for the next two weeks when the ruling for MI/FL will be final, and the last primaries. But this is really ridiculous for her to stay in after that, by then most of the SD's would have chosen their candidate, so why would she take the race all the way to the convention? Bill and Chelsea need to get her over this denial, thats just plain unhealthy.

If that happens, it shows she cares nothing for anyone or anything but herself.

If it goes to the convention.......kiss the WH good-bye. And if that happens, they can hang their legacy up.

Bill and Hill should go watch "The War Room" and listen to Bill's comments when Jerry Brown refused to bow out.

BTW, I'm certainly saddened by the news about Senator Kennedy. He is such a force for people who do not have a voice.

I just read that hillary might take this race to the convention.

I hope it does not go that far but I did read the same thing...let's get this resolved by the end of June and go to the convention with a nominee and a vice president as well

I think Obama sees this of her as being ambitious and a fighter, which are good things to have in a VP. This could encourage him to pick her for VP if he is the nominee

Edited May 21, 200817 yr by DevotedToAMC

Bill and Hill should go watch "The War Room" and listen to Bill's comments when Jerry Brown refused to bow out.

Jess the problem with the Clintons is that they disregard what they said and did before it it conflicts with what they want now. The party leaders can only blame themselves for this mess and they can continue to say that everyone will be one big happy family but this gets uglier every day. Yesterday it was all about sexism and today it's Obama's fault for not chiming in on this crap about the poor voters and the 2000 election reference is ludicrous.

Bill and Hill should go watch "The War Room" and listen to Bill's comments when Jerry Brown refused to bow out.

BTW, I'm certainly saddened by the news about Senator Kennedy. He is such a force for people who do not have a voice.

That won't happen. Bill and Hill don't want to face things they may have said in the past.

Almost like "That's what I said but not what I meant."

It'll be done real soon. And the B.O. can get on with the general election.

But you know, if anyone in the Obama camp is listening, with them making that 2000 reference, they can come back with this........

Al Gore won the popular vote, and guess whose president?

I also feel she is now doing serious harm to her chnaces for him picking her as his VP.

And she will destroy those chances if this goes past June 3rd.

Al Gore won the popular vote, and guess whose president?

That is the problem. He should be president

Technically, Hillary is leading in the popular vote when you count the people's votes in MI and FL

I don't, so she isn't.

I also feel she is now doing serious harm to her chnaces for him picking her as his VP.

And she will destroy those chances if this goes past June 3rd.

Then she may as well go for broke because the two of them on the same ticket is a bad combination. There are the obvious issues in terms of the campaigning thus far. his message and her high negatives. Then the way in which she gets on the ticket might be problematic with some of his supporters. But the biggest problem is that combining a candidate that has to deal with some aspect of racism with one that has to deal with some aspect of sexism is a bad combination. People who are having trouble accepting either but that might be okay with one will not be okay with both.

That won't happen. Bill and Hill don't want to face things they may have said in the past.

Almost like "That's what I said but not what I meant."

It'll be done real soon. And the B.O. can get on with the general election.

But you know, if anyone in the Obama camp is listening, with them making that 2000 reference, they can come back with this........

Al Gore won the popular vote, and guess whose president?

I also feel she is now doing serious harm to her chnaces for him picking her as his VP.

And she will destroy those chances if this goes past June 3rd.

She is hurting herself too. One of two things will come out of this election. The good ol US of A will either demonstrate that it is ready to elect a non-white male or this will be the last time a non-white male is nominated for decades. In many respects, Hillary and Obama are in this together: neither is a white male and both are making history against all odds. Even if Obama wins, Hillary is slowly losing the stature that she acquired in the party. I anticipate the SDs will line up behind Obama within the next 10 days. If Hillary stays in the race until the convention, it is in my opinion a mistake for her.

I also think if she gracefully exists, she will have a key role in the convention and she will be a leader in the party. If she goes to convention -- toast.

Edited May 21, 200817 yr by Jess

The popular vote argument is useless because the numbers don't reflect the caucuses and if anyone is advocating that every vote be counted then the number of people voting in caucuses should be included in the total as well. Since the bottom line is that the delegates are what really counts then saying that is supposed to impress the SDs.

I don't, so she isn't.

But shouldn't they be counted, even if they don't seat MI and FL delegates?

She is hurting herself too. One of two things will come out of this election. The good ol US of A will either demonstrate that it is ready to elect a non-white male or this will be the last time a non-white male is nominated for decades. In many respects, Hillary and Obama are in this together: neither is a white male and both are making history against all odds. Even if Obama wins, Hillary is slowly losing the stature that she acquired in the party. I anticipate the SDs will line up behind Obama within the next 10 days. If Hillary stays in the race until the convention, it is in my opinion a mistake for her.

I also think if she gracefully exists, she will have a key role in the convention and she will be a leader in the party. If she goes to convention -- toast.

I heard speculation on a news program that she might want to broker a convention speaking spot one night for her and one night for Bill.

For me, I don't count Michigan because his name wasn't on the ballot.

And I never will. So........since we have that little bit of news that keeps getting washed over, she is behind in the popular vote.

But........we do need to remember. Clinton math and real math are two entirely different things.

But shouldn't they be counted, even if they don't seat MI and FL delegates?

No. They should seat half the delegates for both as a penalty and that's it.