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P&G Slams Douglas Marland

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RULES OF ENGAGEMENT

They are known as Marland’s Rules. 10 edicts that the Emmy winning soap writer outlined as the template for how to write a winning daytime drama (a.k.a. How Not To Wreck a Show).

Douglas Marland was the Headwriter for General Hospital from 1977-1979, Guiding Light from 1979-1982 and As The World Turns from 1985 until his death in 1993. (There were also stints on The Doctors and Loving, which he co-created).

He penned many memorable characters and storylines, and won the hearts of millions of soap fans. But how well did Marland really follow his own rules?

Marland Rule # 4

Be objective…. What is pleasing the audience? You have to put your own personal likes and dislikes aside and develop the characters that the audience wants to see.

When Marland took over GH in 1977, the main story revolved around Nurse Jessie, Dr. Steve, his wife Audrey, and her back-from-the-dead-husband, Tom. Laura Weber was last seen as a freckle-faced pre-teen and Scotty Baldwin was the rarely on stepson of lawyer Lee. Within months of Marland’s arrival, Laura (re-cast Genie Francis) was a surly teen dragged out of a cult by her biological mother and busy falling for mom’s boyfriend as well as the now law-school aged Scotty. A whole new family, the Quartermaines, had arrived in town (and the not-yet-Quartermaine Monica quickly recast), as well as a former-hooker turned student-nurse named Bobbie. Jessie, Steve and Audrey took up residence behind the nurse’s desk and rarely left it again.

Marland Rule #6

Don't change a core character. You can certainly give them edges they didn't have before, or give them a logical reason to change their behavior. But when the audience says, "He would never do that," then you have failed.

Before Marland, ATWT's Dusty Donovan (Brian Bloom; above) was the vagabond son of a cowboy. He loved horses, the outdoors, and was the bad boy Lily's (Martha Byrne; above) mama lion, Lucinda, was constantly warning her sheltered daughter to stay away from (to the point of setting Lily up with every "more suitable" preppy who came along). After Marland, the role of unacceptable bad boy was handed to Holden. So Dusty had to become the humorless, judgmental, Harvard aspiring stick-in-the-mud in comparison. Even Dusty's cowboy shirt wardrobe was passed on to Holden (when Holden wore a shirt, that is) as Dusty suddenly began donning buttoned up collars and Bill Cosby sweaters.

Marland Rule #7

Build new characters slowly. Everyone knows that it takes six months to a year for an audience to care about a new character. Tie them in to existing characters. Don't shove them down the viewers' throats.

When Douglas Marland took over GL in 1979, the Bauers were still front and center, and the Spauldings had been introduced two years before. Within a year of his tenure, we watched just-got-into-town Ross Marler prosecuting newcomer Jennifer for murder, the Chamberlain family moving into Spaulding Enterprises, a front-burner triangle for youngsters Kelly, Morgan and Nola, plus the addition of Nola’s mother, Bea, and the Reardon boarding house.

For ATWT in 1985, Marland promptly introduced Shannon, Sierra, and Stewart (nothing in the rules about overuse of the letter “S“), then wrote a murder mystery featuring victim Marie Kovac, who’d only joined the show a few months earlier, and equally new suspects Kevin, Ken and Tad. The killer turned out to be the similarly new Doug (Marland favorite John Wesley Shipp; ex-Kelly, GL), who was later murdered by Marsha, a woman who joined the show the same time he did. (To be fair, the mystery also encompassed Bob, Kim and a recently recast -- with Julianne Moore -- Frannie, but everyone else in it was created just to serve the newbie-filled story).

More importantly, though, 1985 brought to Oakdale the Snyder family. Headed by Earth-mother Emma, they were a many-sibling, fatherless clan who lived a life of virtuous poverty on a farm. Unlike the Reardons of GL, the Snyder farm was merely an unofficial boarding house for every lonely ingenue looking to slum away from home (which probably explained the virtuous poverty; at least Bea expected rent for her trouble).

Soon afterwards, innocent, virginal, rich girl Lily became embroiled in a triangle with medical school bound Dusty and social climbing farm girl, Meg, who even faked a pregnancy to get Dusty for herself. Which was nothing at all like the triangle between innocent, virginal, rich girl Morgan, medical student Kelly and social climbing boarding house girl Nola, who even faked a pregnancy to get Kelly for herself on GL. (And neither bore the slightest resemblance to innocent, virginal, rich girl Laura, law student Scotty and social climbing cat house girl Bobbie, who even faked a pregnancy to get Scotty for herself on GH). When Marland had a story he liked telling, he’d shoe-horn (dare we say shove down viewers throats) it into any show.

Douglas Marland left daytime television an incredible body of work and an unimpeachable legacy. But even he knew his own rules were made to be broken.

Well, I did my part by leaving a rather testy comment in response. Or two. :lol:

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Alina's nothing but a P&G mouthpiece. Marland didn't mean a headwriter should let the show stagnate. And she neglects to mention that the "newbie filled" Doug Cummings mystery unfolded over the course of at least a year, and the suspects were tied to more than one plot. Not like a month, like the Dusty/Cheri murder today.

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I don't see why they have to piss on his grave because they're tired of having a stream of hacks' efforts compared to his earned legacy. Idiots. And HE shoved plots down viewers' throats? That's rich. :angry:

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^^^Word!!! If Marland changed the direction of a character, the foundation was laid, and the motivations explained. Turning Babs into a bitch was hands down, the best transformation EVER.

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That is so angering!

There are legends like Bill Bell, Agnes Nixon, Douglas Marland and Kay Alden that have given so much to soaps and should be respected, not trashed.

By the way, could someone post Marland's 10 rules here? I followed the link but it won't bring it up. :(

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The link is a dead end, but I was able to scrounge up a couple more points:

Read the fan mail. The very characters that are not thrilling to you may be the audience's favorites.

Talk to everyone; writers and actors especially. There may be something in a character's history that will work beautifully for you, and who would

know better than the actor who has been playing the role?

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The link is a dead end, but I was able to scrounge up a couple more points:

Read the fan mail. The very characters that are not thrilling to you may be the audience's favorites.

Talk to everyone; writers and actors especially. There may be something in a character's history that will work beautifully for you, and who would

know better than the actor who has been playing the role?

Oh, that's great, thank you so much!!

It just goes to show you what a genius that man was--and how easy, if the HWs listened, it would be to make their soaps better.

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............this is why I don't post at the P&G boards.......

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Have clips from the racy year long cable soap Marland created, One Day in Eden for Showtime (i believe a year before Loving) ever surfaced? I always wanted to know more about that soap--it's early stories on taboo subjects liek homosexuality and light nudity etc but nothign seems to exist except people who say it was better than most early cable soap attempts (Maybe I should start a new thread for this)

The things I'd argue is in many of the cases (the one about GH in particular--maybe the audience liked the characters who were ther ebut the ratings were basement level dire--if Marland hadn't changed them quickly Monty woulda fired him and the show probably woulda been canceled--and keeping a show and a job probably take precedent--and it can be argued that if ratings were that low, even if the existing audiences enjoyed those characters it wasn't working

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It's no worse than the incessant Bill Bell bashing going on elsewhere...

Where's that?

Thething is I think the rpaise for these great scribes can get overwhelming--Doug Marland wrote some lousy stories (his mysteries on ATWT particularly sucked) bill Bell was obssessed with incest and did some out fo character bad shock stories (that Y&R guy with the tatoo on his head and the garbage compactor, the piranhas, etc), Agnes Nixon agreed to a lot of silly things that didn't work (Santa Cluse, villain sells soul to the devil) and had a tendancy, as did Marland and especially Bell come to think of it to rewrite their own stories (Bell's first five years of B%B beign the worst example) and I think tis' fair to point out these flaws. But it doesn't, to me anyway, take away anything fromhow great and important all three writers were/are

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One of the really arrogant assessments is that Marland stuck his new families into the mix at the expense of others just to further a new agenda. But in a landscape of wealthy power players, doctors and lawyers, GL and ATWT gained a perspective on the working class once the Reardons and Snyders were added. In an era of Dallas and Dynasty, at least someone remembered that those of us without mansions are interesting too.

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One of the really arrogant assessments is that Marland stuck his new families into the mix at the expense of others just to further a new agenda. But in a landscape of wealthy power players, doctors and lawyers, GL and ATWT gained a perspective on the working class once the Reardons and Snyders were added. In an era of Dallas and Dynasty, at least someone remembered that those of us without mansions are interesting too.

I do agree, but in the case of the Snyders, they really did end up becoming the focus of the show. If anyone new got into ATWT now, without researching the show, they'd probably believe the Snyders were the original core family of the show, whereas the Hughes were only a secondary family. Of course this isn't Marland's problem anymore, but he did get the ball rolling.

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^Actually Marland is credited with reinvigorating the Hughes family after they had become fractured in the early 80s. Frannie was as much of a force as Lily, and Bob & Kim became parents yet again at a late age in the midst of Kim being stalked. Then Sabrina arrived. Then Nancy and Mac got together. Then Andy's alcoholism led to Bob's affair. Then Margo was raped. The only long term family Marland gave a lesser role to was the Stewarts. I don't see how he got "the ball rolling" on an issue of balance that any writer should know how to fix themselves.

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^Oh I agree there, I just meant the rapid expansion of the Snyders in the past 20 years was pretty daring. I just meant in retrospect if Marland knew that they'd morph into the dominant clan of the show.

But, was ATWT really in that much trouble before Marland's stint? He seems held to such a high regard and I do admire his talent and his contributions to both ATWT and GL. However, just how bad were the writing stints of Caroline Franz and John Saffron (1983) and Tom King and Millee Taggart (1984-1985), prior to Marland's second stint as HW?

Did Bridget and Jerome Dobson (1979-1983) have the same success on ATWT, like their glorious and esteemed tenure on GL?

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Did Bridget and Jerome Dobson (1970-1983) have the same success on ATWT, like their glorious and esteemed tenure on GL?

From what I've read, they came up with some very wacky storylines at time, but mostly due to the popularity of GH. (The many adventures of Tom and Margo, i.e. the spinning room and Mr. BIG.) Balancing out all the wacky adventures, they also did their share of some dramatic storylines also like Ariel accusing John of rape. I'm not sure what the ratings were at the time for the show though.

Putting my spin on it, before Marland arrived it was apparent that the show had lost many core viewers no matter how acceptable the writing might have been. At the time the show needed some buzz worthy storylines. Marland did that and drew in both old and new audiences.

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