GH week of 8/27

[dragonflies]

Lucky is being written true to form, he's been this way since JY played Lucky.

Sam is her true skanky self.

I don't see anyone ruined.

[Graciecat]

No, I'd like to believe him, and I am encouraged that he said that, but do I trust anything Guza says? Absolutely not. I'm just angry that he would say something like that, and then essentially destroy those relationships permanently. I think L&L2 could still get back together at some point, but JaSam, after she allowed his son to be kidnapped? I just don't see that happening. So, no, I never believed him, I just think it's one more example of why Guza is an [!@#$%^&*].

I think there are a lot of problems with the current incarnation of L&L2. Lucky always had a stubborn, jealous streak, but he was never an idiot, and I have real problems with the way he's being written. However, Liz is was my favorite character, so I want them to work it out for her sake. The way she is being written seems very out of character for her to me. She's not herself when she's pining after Jason. She doesn't have to be with Lucky; I adore LiRic, and I could even go for Liz and Nik, or Liz and Jax, but I can't stand Liason.

Seriously? Okay, first of all, Liz has lost everything that made her Liz. Real Liz was against the mob, was capable of completely forgiving the man she loved (once upon a time, Ric), and would have forgiven Lucky and not had an emotional affair, would have respected her husband enough to not visit Jason everyday, the list goes on.

And then, to make it okay for them to be together, they had to ruin their partners. Lucky was the dumb, oaffish, controlling husband who was holding back his wife. His destruction, however, pales in comparison to that of Sam. She was always a selfish person, and this isn't the first time she would put a child's needs after her own (her little sisters), but there is NO WAY she would sit on the secret of Jake's kidnapping for WEEKS. That is unforgivable. Sam was skanky and selfish, but she was never cruel, and I don't think she would have put parents throuh that after losing her own baby.

And then there's Ric and Alexis, of course.

[dragonflies]

The casualties of both Jason & Sam and Jason & Skipper:

AJ

Carly(written OOC, cause Carly would NEVER, ever, ever, ever be friends with a girlfriend of Jasons-Skipper)

Ric

Alexis

Liz(JaSam & Jason & Skipper)

Lucky(JaSam)

Zander(hooking him up with Liz so Luza could do Jason & Courtney)

and so on.........

Like I said if anything Jason & Liz are being made to look the bad guys so we'll feel sowwy for poor widdle UnLucky and SamHo. Ugh.

[Graciecat]

How so? I really don't see this at all. Liz may be OOC, but those two are squeaky clean, IMO. Why do you think so?

[Cheap21]

okay so I took out the names that you said had to do with Journey. Ric and Alexis werent even in Jason/Sam's sphere nor were Lucky and Liz. Jason and Sam getting together took about 6 months to actually happen and there were no characters being ruined to put them together. With Journey and Liason, characters and couples were destroyed for the sole purpose of propping those two up but that was not the case with Jasam. No one was acting out of character for them and it wasnt an insta-sex or insta-romance.

Jason and Liz the bad guys. Are you kidding me? You honestly dont see Sam written as the villian in this story? She's a bitch! She was never written as a malicious person but she's downright evil now. She is the bad guy. She knows it, fans know it and thats how its being portrayed and she's owning it. They have her terrorizing Elizabeth who clearly is supposed to be the heroine here. No way is the writing indicating Liz or Jason as the villians.

But you just said that Lucky is being ruined for Jasam? So which is it?

[LiasonAgent007]

Rexis were doomed from the start. Ric was only with her IMO because she used to attracted to Sonny. Just more of the same loserly behavior we've come to expect from the psychpath.

Sam has alwasy been a whore...I don't know whats changed since she came on the show cuz shes still acting like a scheming, conniving little slut.

I don't see how Lucky was ruined for Liason. His drug addiction wasn't because of Elizabeth or Jason. HE chose that for himself.

As for Lulu I can only assume that you think she's been ruined because shes keeping the secret of Jake's paternity to herself...? I don't see how thats ruining her character. She just like Elizabeth knows how much this will hurt Lucky (not that Elizabeth should even care about The Neanderthal given his actions the last few weeks). Shes protecting her big brother and she knows that the truth would have MAJOR consequences and affect lots of people.

Spinelli? Hes always been eccentric and as far as I can tell he's always admired Jason and wanted to help him in any way possible. So I don't see how hes been ruined.

And then Emily? I don't see whats so wierd about her suggesting that Liz dump Lucky and be with Jason. Its obvious that they love each other and deserve to be happy together. Just because she and Lucky have been friends for a long time doesn't mean shes NOT allowed to speak the truth about how destructive Lucky and Liz's marriage is and how its probably better for them to split.

Ric fell in love with Liz long before he even started going out with Alexis. And Ric is a psychopath. Hes been one ever since he came on the show. I don't see why its so hard to see that his ONLY true love is Sonny. He so desperately wants Sonny to acknowledge him as worthwhile that he'll do ANYTHING to get Sonny's attention. That includes going after Alexis. Maybe he cared for Alexis. But I'll never believe he loved her. Hes just a sick miserable man who really just needs to get a grip and MOVE ON from the past.

Lol...Liason will last a long time....they completely deserve ti. LuSam can enjoy their perverted lil relationship built on JEALOUSY, ANGER, and most important of all LUST. Its so hilarious really....the two of them think they're hurting Jason and Liz when in truth its just proving what horrible excuses for human beings both of them are. The icing on the cake will be when either one of them cheats on the other. It will either be Sam with Ric or Lucky with Maxie....personally I think its a guarantee that Sam will open em wide for the next victim and Lucky will see what type of monster she truly is.

On a final note I have one question to ask....are BOTH Coop and Logan working for Sonny? I don't mind it...I just find it a lil funny that Ric has not one but TWO moles in his department. Plus Coop looks so damn sexy in that cop outfit. He can detain me any day he wants to! LOL...

[LiasonAgent007]

And oh what do you people think about Jax and Carly?

Do you truly think they love each other? Personally thats one relationship I'm not sold on. However its cut to see Jax with children.

[dragonflies]

LiasonAgent, I so want to marry that post :D

LOL at Sonny being Ric's real true love LMFAO

[Cheap21]

well I think the Ric/Alexis fans think differently. I personally wasnt one but Ric did love Alexis but all of a sudden he was back in love with Liz, confessing his love for her to a priest and then working to put Jason and Lucky against each other so he could swoop in and get Liz. He was all about ruining Jason and Jason was one obstacle in his way to Elizabeth. This was a big WTF, bc its as if the Rexis relationship didnt happen for him to change his feelings so fast.

Lucky sleeping with Maxie was done to justify the ONS. They really went overboard with Lucky that summer and they're doing it again now. Lucky = bad; Jason = good. The writing is beyond biased. Lucky has been seen as the bad guy for being jealous of Jason when he has every reason to be considering how Liz kept running to him during the marriage. Nothing is consistent about the writing for Lucky and he flips flop based on whats needed for the story that day.

Hmm, as for Lulu and Spinelli, I didnt say they were being ruined but that they have faced character assasination. Lulu is not a loyal sister. When she found out about the ONS, she was on Lucky's side and gave Liz attitude as she should. Her main issue was that she didnt feel Liz loved Lucky but let go of her anger bc she realizes she was wrong. Well she is still wrong bc Liz loves Jason. Lulu should have been completely honest with Lucky since his wife wont be. She is another Jason cheerleader and many times it seems her loyalties lie with him and Liz rather than her own flesh and blood. I thought Spinelli had potential but he's nothing more than a glorified Liason cheerleader. His obsession with Jason is beyond annoying and it defines him. He wasnt like that before but its gotten out of hand.

Emily's heart was broken when her husband cheated on her. How the heck can she push for Jason and Liz to be together, knowing what it will do to Lucky. She knows exactly how its like to be in his position yet that doesnt seem to phase her. But then again, she also knows what its like to be in Liz's position and by playing her husband, while lusting after another man and stepping outside of the marriage in the name of love. She made me sick with that crap.

[Graciecat]

Yes, Ric had done horrible, twistedthings in the past. However, this actor is so talented that I want him to stick around, and the only way to do that is too redeem him...at least a little. They had a good thing going with Rexis. Those two were well suited to each other, and well it is inevitable in soap relationships to break up, they could have done it in a way that wouldn't have ruined Ric, who was improving hugely, and prevented any chance of a reunion. Now what's left for Ric or Alexis? They're two of the best actors on the show, and they are stranded without love interests or storylines.

Has she had her slutty momments? Yes. I don't think it's terribly out of character to go after Lucky, since we know she's a woman who uses her sexuality to her advantage. But as I said before, she was never cruel. She's selfish, but Sam would never, ever have kept Jake's kidnapping a secret for weeks. She knows what's it's like to lose a child.

First of all, he didn't CHOOSE to become an addict. He didn't chose to start taking the pills just for fun. He was told to take them, and apparantly he has an addictive personality. But the whole thing was clearly set up so that Liz could run to Jason. And that isn't the only way he was ruined.

Yes, JY's Lucky was a jerk. But that was a long time ago, and Greg Vaugn's Lucky was a better man. When he and Liz got back together, he was a good man. He was a wonderful stepfather and a supportive husband. I don't think he's acting all THAT OOC, but they've definitely sucked every good part of him away to make it okay for Liz to betray him.

[Skin]

WORD!

WORD!

How was Carly written out of character? Because she liked Courtney? I didn't think that relationship was too out of character. From what I saw Carly sympathized with Courtney's rough upbringing and felt that they both had mom issues, that along with Courtney being her sister in-law lead to a friendship. I don't see how Carly was written out of character there.

I don't remeber Ric or Alexis being written out of character for Jasam or Journey. They were written out of character for Jiz because they had to have Ric sleep with Sam and become obsessed with Elizabeth again to make Jason look like the good guy while Ric was deemed evil after the small redemption they almost gave him with Alexis.

I don't remember Elizabeth being written out of character for Jasam. I don't remember Lucky being written out of character for Jasam either. He was ruined by Guza because he had to give Elizabeth a reason to sleep with Jason so she looked like the "good one". They had to make Lucky evil and addicted to pills and sleep with Maxie while he was drugged out to justify Elizabeth's adultry.

I don't remember Zander being written out of character for Jasam. I remember he was written out of character for Nem (Nikolas and Emily) not for Jasam or Journey. Last time I checked.

The difference between 03- early 07' Sam and mid 07' Sam is that Sam was never written as a villianous. She now is being written as a Cassadine-like bitch. That's the difference. And why is that? Anyone know? I sure do? Because Elizabeth our perky little heroine must look like the victim. That's the only reason this change was made. Guza wants to make Liz look better because she is looking horriable with this paternity lie. So they have to make Sam look worse (or atleast try to, I think she should be given a medal personally).

Lucky was ruined because original Lucky would never have gotten hooked on pills in the first place. He just wouldn't of. But they had to make Lucky look bad so Elizabeth could form her newest spawn.

Lulu has been destroyed because she is lying to her brother and keeping a lie that will eventually come out and blow his entire foundation that he believes to be true apart and then he'll be worse off then ever. If she told her brother the truth he wouldn't be any where near as much pain as he will inevitablly be in when the truth comes out. This is the same Lulu that was virtually raised by Lucky and Nikolas. One would think she would be loyal to them. Sadly that isn't the case. She is loyal to mobsters Jason and Sonny. Blah.

Emily is a blind idiot. She has lived Sonny's life and knows how dangerous it is. If she wants that for Liz she is the worst friend ever.

[Wales2004]

I don't agree that Ric was destroyed for anyone because Ric's purpose on the show is to hate Sonny. Unless they give him another purpose soon, I think that this whole mob s/l is about to take away his reason for being. When Kate said that it would be too bad if he spent his life hating Sonny for something that was an accident (or something to that effect) and we are shown flashbacks that indicate Trevor Lansing is lying about what really happened, then it's a no brainer that the truth will at some point come out and shatter Ric. Since he's deceptive then I don't think he's a character that is capable of having an honest relationship with anyone other than possibly his child. He wasn't in love with Elizabeth because that's a twisted obsession based on his vision of her as some sort of saintly woman and a saint she is not.

I fail to see how Lucky could be ruined when his character hasn't been defined or developed since JJ left. The whole glorious love story of Lucky and Elizabeth is strongly grounded in what JJ and RH created and when JY took over the role, they effectively killed what was by not trying to restore it. Maybe they decided that they wanted JY with someone else....I don't know. All I know is that version of Lucky left with JJ and when they refer to Lucky and Elizabeth's great love and finding their way back to each other, I fail to see where that fictional great love is because it hasn't been depicted since back then. I do know that when they got rid of original Maxie and recast her with that actress who is now on Passions, their intent was to put Maxie and Lucky together. JY was still in the role when they came up with this idea and the Maxie recast was a bit of a problem and somewhere in there, they opted to destroy a chance to fix Lucky and Elizabeth by having him sleep with her sister Sara. The plan to put Lucky and Maxie together was about what they wanted to do with Lucky back in about 2002 I think. Lucky hasn't been a smart take charge character since JJ left the role. Things have happened to him and Elizabeth tries to help him and refers to that great love that's been gone since 1998 or whenever JJ left and it all sounds great but it's not on screen as far as I'm concerned.

There's nothing different about Elizabeth to me other than the choices she makes. The relationship she had with Lucky was transferred to Jason when they met and it was never restored to her and Lucky. She and Lucky haven't had a real relationship for years.

[Wales2004]

Since Ric has never given up his obsession with Sonny, do you really think that they were going to leave him in bliss with Alexis indefinitely? And if you believe that Ric, Alexis, and Sam were ruined for Elizabeth and Jason, then Jason and Sam were technically over when Jason decided to push Sam away and their relationship actually spanned from whenever they fell in love to when he pushed her away. Everything after that was phony since it was all about building up Elizabeth and Jason. So then when Jason and Sam were trying to work things out, he wasn't being sincere because they were toast. This last year of their relationship didn't count because they were going through the motions and not being honest about it being over. Her sleeping with Ric officially ended it no matter how long they continued to drag it out. Which makes me wonder why the anger now?

Their relationship disintegrated last year before he slept with Elizabeth. The supposition is that had he not slept with Elizabeth, they would still be trodding along. But if the writers planned all this mass destruction people claim, as a means of justifying Jason and Elizabeth then the underlying fact is they wanted to end Jason and Sam, so couldn't the next person easily claim that Elizabeth, Lucky Ric, Alexis, Maxie, etc. were sacrificed just so they could end Jason and Sam?

Who is original Lucky and how long has he been gone? My point here is that Lucky hasn't been the character people make him out to be since JJ left the role so then how is it possible to ruin what hasn't been for years? Basically I don't buy this for that reason and because I know that they planned on doing Lucky and Maxie back around 2002. They recast Maxie for the purpose of making her old enough for Lucky so all they did was delay a story they had been planning until they got the right Maxie.

And are you saying that what happened with Dylan wasn't far worse for a young character than her keeping a secret because she is misguided into thinking the truth will shatter her brother?

I don't think it's about living a certain life. I think it's about taking a chance at love. It really doesn't matter what life they are leading because seriously, are any of us watching this show buying that mobsters and doctors co-exist and hash out their love lives so freely? When people say Elizabeth would never be with a mobster, are we suggesting that it's okay for her to be friends with one though and it's okay for Sam to live with one? Don't we basically suspend a lot of reality to watch soaps and aren't we looking for the characterizations and story telling as opposed to how realistic their careers are? If we aren't then we should never want Sonny and Jason in any relationships besides their work ones.

[Kylie]

Ric and Alexis were not headed for wedded bliss, any and all Rexis fans knew that. They were their own worst enemy. But, coming off the virus storyline, they were closer, stronger, and trusted each other more then ever. They were going to have to face their demons again, but for the first time since they'd started, GH had let them grow as a couple, and really gave them a foundation for their future together

Then Guza pushed the reset button, and all the progress they'd made went out the window. All of it. In the blink of an eye it was all gone. Both betrayed the promises they'd made to each other, and to their marriage. They were telling lies, keeping secrets, not trusting. And then Ric slept with Sam.

No fallout. A couple of scenes. A bogus as hell custody battle. And that was it. A family was torn apart, and we haven't seen Molly or Kristina in months, etc.

Yet, we never missed a tear or a whine of Jason's. We never missed a second of Jason saying that he was betrayed. He dumped Sam, yet she betrayed him. He had to sleep with Liz, Sam betrayed him. Blah blah. It was all about Jason. All about poor Liz All about how they were wronged, so it made it okay to wrong everyone else. Blah blah.

Rexis was completely and totally destoryed so that Jason and Liz could have their halo's shined. God forbid should they look like they were wrong in any of this. People can deny it or choose not to believe it all they want, but Liz said it herself, had Sic not happened then she wouldn't have slept with Jason. Which translates to: Rexis was torpedo'd for Liason

[Skin]

JJ, JY nor GV versions of Lucky would have ever gotten hooked on pills. That's pretty much what it coems down to. Non of the incarnations of Lucky Spencer would have gotten hooked on pills and destroyed his life so fantastically. That is compeletely out of the character in all of their different forms. That's basically what it comes down to. Lucky would have NEVER done what he did last summer and the sole reason they had Lucky go down that path was because they had to give Laison their one night stand. Thus Lucky as well as all of those other characters we stated were destroyed to pair Jiz together.