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Didn't know this was ending. Shame. I always had a huge crush on him. Really smart guy too. And hot. lol.

I don't. It was a long time ago and I was a kid then. Seeing as how I didn't remember Emily's son and that was like 5 years ago it doesn't surprise me that I don't remember what you describe as a dud though. Do you know of any clips of Heather Rattray after they made Lily less of a cold fish?

There were some boring parts in that episode -- there are WAY too many minor characters who could be cut or combined. But to me everyone gossiping about every single minute detail is awesome, not boring, even though Marland relied on this trope excessively.

Wow, that episode is not half-assed at all. It is meticulously plotted, even to the point of being annoying and obsessive compulsive. One of the things I miss is the way Marland made great use of the Greek Chorus. I love how gossipy and bitchy everyone is when Brock's father shows up at the restaurant. And people talking about things that have nothing to do with the plot of this episode makes everything so much more real. Nowadays too many people find things out off screen and the writers lose track of who knows what; I think a lot is lost not focusing on the slow dissemination of information throughout town. I know people have said positive things about this Lily but she is WAY too cold with none of Martha Byrne's wounded vulnerability.

Oh see Murakame I enjoyed. But yeah the Michael York thing was dreadful -- didn't she end up pulling one over on him in the end tho? iirc that story almost redeemed itself in the end.

I clearly did... lol. Now that you describe it it sounds like a great scene. For me it registered as an episode where nothing meant anything. The events would never be mentioned again and who cares? Where is the drama? There are episodes like that that I find good because they foreshadow what's to come -- Abby to Gary after Judy Trent leaves, "Are you ready for me now, Gary?" is killer-- or offer insight on the characters that the mid-late seasons certainly do not provide. I still can't justify an episode based on one scene though I will have to rewatch that one. Never caught my eye before tho.

Richard said once in regards to not wanting to miss Daniel's childhood -- "1 through 4 are the best years." He could have been describing Knots Landing when he said that. The problem with the early seasons is that while they do have the best individual episodes, there were enough misfire episodes that are completely pointless and painful on rewatch. If I had to name a favorite season it would be season 5. How absolutely brilliant to see a show up the ante without completely losing its core, and there is not a single bad episode in the season. But if we are going for top 10 episodes, most of mine would come from 1 through 4. Isn't Silver Shadows where Abby like whores herself out to the old man? I haven't seen it in a couple years; I do have it on VHS. But I don't remember particularly liking it or having it shed too much light on Abby.

Season 3 is hard to get through but there are so many gems in it. The Gary/Abby affair was done so well. Karen grieving over Sid was done well at times (Michele Lee's best acting was when she took the ring off) but at times it was too depressing a storyline and the show was grasping at straws looking for its soul with Don Murray gone. Some of those one-off episodes are among the series' worst one-off episodes. Thank god they went to the serial format in season 4, because the one-off format was no longer shedding light on the characters as in the early episodes. Episodes like Cricket are just plot driven and bad. That said, my favorite episode "China Dolls" is in season 3. The perfect Knots Landing episode, acting-wise, dialogue-wise, cinematically, just a breathtaking episode. Season 3 has some really great points and some cringeworthy points. It's a season of highest highs and lowest lows to me. I don't write it off but I can see why ratings were down that year. The show was definitely finding itself.

Ciji doesn't show up until season 4. And Ciji mainly sang cheesy pop songs they wrote for the show; it was more Cathy who sang mainstream pop songs. Likely season 3 hasn't been released because 1 and 2 underperformed

Black people do automatically see themselves in Obama. I am a liberal's liberal, probably more liberal than most on this board, practically a commie, but when a group has been enslaved both officially and unofficially for 230 years they will obviously take the chance to elect one of their own. With Clinton, I agree that he was happy to not only ride the Carter/Reagan/Bush deregulation train but drive it even faster, but at this point in time Democrats had been out of power 12 years. Look at the 2000 election for an example of liberals getting annoyed and staying home -- they cannot be counted upon to turnout for elections. Clinton had no choice but to appeal to centrists. When liberals can be counted on to vote, we will have a liberal president again (which we have not had since LBJ in the 60s.)

Your post was racist. Obama created a movement in 08 and it was not just because of his race. To state that the only black president we have ever had was elected on no merit other than being black is a racist statement because it implies that no black man could have been worthy of having been elected. Eisenhower held no political office prior to being elected -- do you have an issue with that presidency or just with the n!gger? Do you believe Obama was born in Honolulu, HI? If so, what steps have you take to distance yourself from the radical Nazi -- I mean Republican -- party? If you cannot answer this you are a racist...

Totally disagree. She saw how and why Hillarycare flopped and she would have rammed some single payer through with an iron fist and portrayed Republican obstruction as favoring the 1% before it was even cool to say 1%. That said I feel kinda disgusting dissing Obama for making overtures to the other side. I despise the Pollyanna speech on Knots Landing but it applies here. Making overtures and being nice should be the norm.

Bill Clinton is not a racist, but this post kinda is? It was not Obama's skin color that got him elected. He inspired people for reasons other than being black. At this point I wish he never had been elected. His election made me believe in the US. The reaction to him since has made me deeply ashamed to be an American. If he loses I'm pulling a Baldwin. Going to Italy this summer and will be networking for jobs while there. BTW all this is so ironic for me as I voted Hillary in the 08 primary... lol...

I think Hillary would have been more prepared from day one than Obama was to deal with the way Republicans are when they're in the minority -- Obama's first two years went down exactly how Bill Clinton's did. But yes, she wouldn't have the high approval ratings she does among Republicans had she actually won. I disagree that Bill ruined her chances. Obama just inspired the country in 2008. And then not counting Florida and Michigan's primary votes did not help her.

Yeah some people hate that but I totally did not mind that scene where they move back in and there's no lightbulbs again. I think it's unique that a show gets to flashback to 13 years ago and that scene worked for me. Also JVA looks better in season 13 than at any other point. Unfortunately the plastic surgery didn't end there and in season 14 she looks awful lol. Nah there is next to nothing presumably for copyright reasons. I don't know why these companies bother protecting copyrights of programs they have seemingly no interest in releasing. There is a hilarious parody video called Knots Landing 2009 that will give you a gist of what KL was about.

Val finally getting to call out Karen on her condescending behavior -- ANY contract cast member getting to call out Karen -- was good though. But yeah, I hated that Val acted that way at Laura's funeral and early season Val certainly would not have.

I never know whether to consider "Noises Everywhere" a success or a failure. Letting the actors write it through improv was a novel idea, but Val, Mack, and Karen making Laura's death all about THEM was spitting on her grave. That said, it was in character for them at that point in the show. I feel like my posts in this thread are down on Knots Landing. Let me re-iterate that Knots Landing was the best show I have ever seen on American television. Even the Lechowick years, there were things they did that annoyed me, but they wrote season 10 and it's unprecedented for any TV show to have a good season 10. There's a reason this thing lasted 14 years.

Yup, that was season 11. Mack had already been unbearable for years by that point but yeah DIRTY COP HE'S CROOKED SEVEN WAYS FROM SUNDAY was by far the worst. Shame because Mack really is a great character in season 4, but they never really knew what to do with him after that besides being a moral crusader. I think Richard could have been Abby's partner in crime through at least season 5. Forget the name of that hunky lawyer dude who was her partner in crime in season 5 but Richard could have had that role. The unique thing with Anne was that she brought class conflict to the cul-de-sac. "What is this garbage night thing I keep hearing about?" alol.

Val flatlined in season 11 for me -- as a matter of fact KL flatlined in 11 for me. In season 10 she had the Jill storyline which I LOVE. It is all so ridiculous and over-the-top but season 10 in general is a strong season; the only one where the Lechowicks' vision for Knots truly meshed for me. Gary not caring whatsoever but being forced into a mess by two psychotic women was just pure soapy shlock that worked for me. In season 11 Val forgets the last ten years and becomes a vapid doormat for Danny and his mullet.

So losing Kenny and Ginger to me was no big tragedy even tho Kim Lankford seems like a lovely person -- but what do you guys think about Richard? To me Richard was a fascinating character and John Pleshette was an amazing actor. I don't know how Richard would have fit in in the "new" Knots Landing but it kind of sucks that he was written out after season 4. Laura managed to stay relevant in season 5, but in 6-9 I don't really think she was. She was a definite "B" character in those. In season 5 she doesn't drive the story but she still plays an integral role connecting the characters (e.g. to Karen -- "Was that before or after you started taking pills?" -- Karen is an awful friend to Laura in season 5 despite the later BFFs rewrite.) Had Richard stayed around it would have been interesting to track Laura/Richard's alternate paths after their divorce. IMO, Richard was a loser, but abandoning his sons is just something I could never quite buy. Richard could be an awful person, but he could also be incredibly loving to his family even when he was holding them at gun point. I feel like the Laura/Richard storyline still had miles to go. I would have wanted them to stay divorced but there were still things that they had to say to each other about their marriage. There were still more storyline options for Laura had Richard stuck around. Richard leaving after s4 was the true tragedy.

If Democratic voters could be counted upon to turn out to vote, the Republican party would have been voted into oblivion over a decade ago, or at least forced to redefine itself to not be so psycho. Democrats are forced to pander to the middle because liberals suck at voting, whereas conservatives are quite good at it.

I have to agree with Carl that they didn't really try -- you are right that Ginger got a standalone episode like the other ladies but there are also a whole bunch of episodes that Kenny and Ginger aren't even in -- episodes 2 and 3 of season 1 for example. So I don't think they really did try that hard to make it work, though it is weird that they lasted all the way to season 4. Season 4 was by far the best season for Kenny/Ginger but I still think it's OK to cut them. As for Cathy, she never seemed like a character. I agree with Carl, she never truly worked on the level that Ciji did. She was there as an excuse to have Lisa Hartman sing. Which is OK because Lisa Hartman had star power and helped the show get ratings, but Cathy was never really a character.

Thanks for posting that. I always liked Kim Lankford from the interviews I have read with her -- Kenny and Ginger were pretty lame characters and I can't say I was sorry to see them go, but it sucks that it happened to someone who seems as nice as Kim Lankford does.

This. "Liberal" became a dirty word because of the hippies, and the Democrats have been playing defense ever since. It was 50 years ago, it is time to grow a pair!

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