NothinButAttitude

I didn't care for the group scenes either on Friday's episode. I got it, but after a week of everyone stopping by, I was over it. I think out of the group that came over, Harriet is probably the one I'd be content with staying b/c of her history with Ashley and her now being the vicar.

I still don't think that Pam Long writing the show any different b/c Cruz was leaving was gonna do it must justice. The nail was already in coffin by then. No one was gonna care for the show any longer b/c Eden was gone. This is why super couples have been detriments to the genre. People invest in these couples so much that once they are over, the fans are done with the show overall. That's why I feel DAYS is struggling now. This is why I always say soaps need to start writing strong individual characters before tossing them in super couples. That's why I feel P&G soaps didn't feel the brunt a lot of times b/c their shows didn't hardly invest in super couples. They had super couples but most of their characters in the last 20-30 years were just as interesting as individuals, and had lives outside their pairing. I've barely seen Eden/Cruz interact with others outside their orbit unless they were interlopers or family.

Very true. I think this show went so wrong in killing and writing off most of the Perkins and basically casting the Andrade family aside. Poor Danny never even seemed like he got a shot to be developed. And poor Santana got cast aside for the fair haired Eden. I'm beginning to wonder watching all these SB episodes was SB's primary issue was that they always has this interchangeable cast of characters. No one truly stuck around, thus giving people reason not to invest. I think also that building the show around Eden/Cruz became a problem when they left b/c none of the characters were interesting enough to keep the audience.

But seeing as you're a longtime SB fan, do you agree that unless you were in the orbit of Kelly/Eden/Cruz/CC/Sophia/Mason you weren't getting great story? From what clips about 91-92-ish, even Gina's stories start to get wacky once she was somewhat removed from the Capwell orbit. I get it b/c they are the primary family, but I still feel that soaps can invest in secondary characters too. What was the story supposed to be mocking then?

The New Stailand story is one that I keep reading and not getting the gist of it. Again, another pointless story on the canvas. SB had their grown tight with everyone in the Capwell bubble (minus Ted), and everyone else was just given scraps. I think had I watched the show in real time, I would've wanted to rewind a lot of the material in the early years of the show outside of the Capwells. The supporting characters truly had some bizarre stories.

She does look good for her age. While everything else on SB seems to have ran like clockwork, it is a pity how the show didn't know what they were doing with characters like Warren, Jade, Ted, Danny, or Laken. It's just like they just threw darts against the wall and hoped something would stick. I am still trying to figure out what the gist of this hotel arc was. I didn't even know that the place was haunted. With Warren, it seems like they were just sticking him with anyone they could till something popped. Wasn't he supposed to be paired with Eden originally? Also, why didn't they try pairing Warren with Amy, who he had chemistry with a few episodes ago? An Amy/Brick/Warren triangle could've been interesting.

I still get upset how the sets looked so lavish on both GL and ATWT about 2004-05, and then went to the pits of hell around 2006 onwards. I wanted the same too. I wanted Holly and Ed to get the final scene in the Bauer kitchen with them saying something impactful and powerful, and shutting out the lights before the cameras panned over outside the kitchen window to a shot of the lighthouse in the distance. The end. Reva and Josh shouldn't've gotten the final scene. That was meant for the Bauers. Minus the gorilla, AW did have a decent finale, which was produced by Goutman and JP! I don't know what the f-ck happened to them following that b/c the final weeks of ATWT were abysmal. I don't hate the finale like most, but many of the characters' endings were horrid.

She'd be all for that as long as she got a payoff in the end.

Wasn't the Rusty Sentell is alive/Tokyo arc around that time too? I've heard many say that they hated that arc too, while I enjoyed it when I read it. Wasn't it Suzy that went blind in the jungle w/ Warren & Brian? I just wish someone would post clips of Search from that time! I just wanna see it! I hate that P&G won't sell their library to someone. Understandable. However, from reading synopsis around that time, I just don't see what was so bad.

I get that. I just took as fans were repulsed by the action as if no one would it. People do it all the time. I do agree that the writers not building up to it was stupid and amateur; however, I still don't see how it'd make me stop watching. Again, maybe this is because I've seen soaps turn into absolute sh-t in the past ten years, so something like that wouldn't bother me. If I grew up during that time, I might've thrown a fit too.

Oh OK. Make sense. But if she had an epiphany and just declared she was over Stu, I could believe as people do that every day.

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Oh OK. But I still don't see how Stu's wife running off with the cook was a jump-the-shark moment. Women run off with men all the time.

ATWT had some cheap ass sets too though. I grew tired of looking at the town square, Oakdale PD, the Snyder's kitchen, Lily's new ugly ass house, CarJack's house, Al's Diner, that one suite at the Lakeview that everyone occupied, and that kitchen set that was supposed to be WOAK. All that sh-t made me wanna weep.

I'm not holding my breath when it comes to this Phaedra mess. A part of me believes that she'll be back... Speaking of some people I want gone, I am over Erika and Rinna. Both of them broads can exit stage left. I'll take TayShanna and Brandi over these heffas and I totally hate both of those pieces of trash.

I agree! I just don't get what Frons/NBC saw in cancelling the show. I feel like it still had so much life in it. Yes, killing Suzy wasn't the wisest decision, but the show was still viable. We still had Jo and Stu. As long as those 2 remained at the helm, I think the show could've still been viable.

Why was 1981 such a bad year for the show? I know '84 was probably not so well with old SFT fans b/c the McClearys ate the show, but I do find them all appealing characters, who weren't grating. At least they were ingeniously tied to legacy characters (Cagney with Suzy, Quinn with Sarah & Wendy, Hogan with Sunny & Liza).

Damn. I am bawling. I knew this was gonna happen, which is why I tried delaying watching this episode for the longest. I am sorry but I don't like this Jai plot. I get he is supposed to be getting over the loss of Holly, but I hate it. I hate that poor Jai is about to be used and abused yet again. Glad that the writers took this moment to get Adam and Victoria started on their baby making. Out of all the soap couples in the world, I want a little bundle of joy for these two. Someone has to carry the Sugden legacy! Ashley... The scene where he looked at all his family pictures before succumbing to death killed me. When Laurel found him, I became even more hysterical. Then they pulled the camera panning upwards to indicate Ashley had safely ascended into heaven and I died. It reminded of Jack's death on Corrie. Just beautifully done. What I found also beautiful was that Ashley was surrounded by the people he loved the most: Sandy, Bernice, Arthur, Laurel, and Gabby. I just hate that poor Gabby didn't say her goodbyes. I feel like that is gonna haunt her going forward, and I am interested to see how it affects her. Just a subtle, beautiful episode. God I am gonna miss John Middleton/Ashley. This show has lost a pillar. Excuse me while I go cry some more.

OMG. Thank you for all these clips! There is just something so whimsical, magical about Sherry Mathis/Liza. I so wish that episodes from the height of Liza/Travis would emerge. I've read synopsis on them, and their story sounds like a joy to watch. Reading up on the show, I never understood why SFT got the heat that it got. Even towards the end. I find the episodes more endearing than anything on air from the last ten years.

Funny thing is that Nene tweeted that same line a few weeks ago and was referring to Phaedra. When those 2 lock horns again...

I think they'll air consecutively on Sundays for the next month. Bravo is gonna milk this for all that it is worth. I actually want Phaedra and Porsha back next season with Nene possibly returning. I want her to drag them from one end of Atlanta to the other.

@DRW50, I am not ready! I am gonna be a total wreck when I watch this.

I hope he didn't knock her ass up. Despite him being bisexual, I'd for once like to think the writers wouldn't use this lazy trope to cause tension between Robert & Aaron.