NothinButAttitude

I've been saying that they're phasing Marlo out now that Nene's return is upon the horizon. I think even she knows that, hence why she tried to get a last "hoo-rah" but to no avail. I was proud that Kenya walked past her without even acknowledging her and that killed Marlo. I doubt she'll be back as Nene will most likely make it a stipulation upon her return that Marlo is to get no camera time. Plus, Marlo is a Carlos King pet. Now that he's gone, I doubt she gets invited back. You defined her so perfectly. When it comes to Kim, she feels like she's always built RHOA when she didn't. Most people tuned in the first 4 seasons to see Nene drag Kim all up and down Atlanta.

Doug Marland hands down. Hogan made a mockery of Barbara. I was OK with the arc where she went a tad bit bonkers from the explosion and wanting to get revenge on Emily, Carly, and Rose; however, he had her doing stupid sh-t afterwards. Like Barbara bust Will out of a mental institution after he killed Rose.

@BetterForgotten, it is episodes like that, which frustrates me when it comes to Holly. I hate how post 1996, they seemed to have no vision for her. Holly was just all over the place. It also reminds me how this show needed her the years she was written off. How this show allowed Maureen Garrett to slip from their fingertips boggles my mind.

RHOA: So it's OK for Sheree to come up in Kenya's home and shade it, but it is not OK for Kenya to do so? So what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander? Also, Sheree should be ashamed. You've had FIVE years to get this sh-t together and it still isn't. No excuses. Kenya had more done in her house after a year than Sheree ever has. Phaedra getting peeved at Kandi was so stupid when she previously assisted Johnnie in an attempt to sue Kandi. Kim coming for Kenya was stupid and desperate. It is obvious that she is trying to get her peach back, and Kenya is her way to do so. All her 'reads' were tired and worn out. Who cares if Kenya doesn't have a man or kids? Is that supposed to be the end all, be all for women? Kim and her wig can blow right back to the trailer they came from and never return. It was nice to see Lisa Wu. She's who I'd want to return alongside Nene. Not Kim. That beast felt she was too good for these women. Leave her ass in the past. I'm just ready for the reunion.

Wasn't Cruz the only damn cop on this show? Most of his partners or other cop characters got killed or written off. It was Cruz Castillo or nothing on this show.

Well hope this isn't true! I need Victoria to have some babies! I don't get the show's issue with the Sugdens either. If it weren't for them, there would be no Emmerdale. I'm sick of Dingles clogging up the show.

No! Don't say that!

I didn't care for the group scenes either on Friday's episode. I got it, but after a week of everyone stopping by, I was over it. I think out of the group that came over, Harriet is probably the one I'd be content with staying b/c of her history with Ashley and her now being the vicar.

I still don't think that Pam Long writing the show any different b/c Cruz was leaving was gonna do it must justice. The nail was already in coffin by then. No one was gonna care for the show any longer b/c Eden was gone. This is why super couples have been detriments to the genre. People invest in these couples so much that once they are over, the fans are done with the show overall. That's why I feel DAYS is struggling now. This is why I always say soaps need to start writing strong individual characters before tossing them in super couples. That's why I feel P&G soaps didn't feel the brunt a lot of times b/c their shows didn't hardly invest in super couples. They had super couples but most of their characters in the last 20-30 years were just as interesting as individuals, and had lives outside their pairing. I've barely seen Eden/Cruz interact with others outside their orbit unless they were interlopers or family.

Very true. I think this show went so wrong in killing and writing off most of the Perkins and basically casting the Andrade family aside. Poor Danny never even seemed like he got a shot to be developed. And poor Santana got cast aside for the fair haired Eden. I'm beginning to wonder watching all these SB episodes was SB's primary issue was that they always has this interchangeable cast of characters. No one truly stuck around, thus giving people reason not to invest. I think also that building the show around Eden/Cruz became a problem when they left b/c none of the characters were interesting enough to keep the audience.

But seeing as you're a longtime SB fan, do you agree that unless you were in the orbit of Kelly/Eden/Cruz/CC/Sophia/Mason you weren't getting great story? From what clips about 91-92-ish, even Gina's stories start to get wacky once she was somewhat removed from the Capwell orbit. I get it b/c they are the primary family, but I still feel that soaps can invest in secondary characters too. What was the story supposed to be mocking then?

The New Stailand story is one that I keep reading and not getting the gist of it. Again, another pointless story on the canvas. SB had their grown tight with everyone in the Capwell bubble (minus Ted), and everyone else was just given scraps. I think had I watched the show in real time, I would've wanted to rewind a lot of the material in the early years of the show outside of the Capwells. The supporting characters truly had some bizarre stories.

She does look good for her age. While everything else on SB seems to have ran like clockwork, it is a pity how the show didn't know what they were doing with characters like Warren, Jade, Ted, Danny, or Laken. It's just like they just threw darts against the wall and hoped something would stick. I am still trying to figure out what the gist of this hotel arc was. I didn't even know that the place was haunted. With Warren, it seems like they were just sticking him with anyone they could till something popped. Wasn't he supposed to be paired with Eden originally? Also, why didn't they try pairing Warren with Amy, who he had chemistry with a few episodes ago? An Amy/Brick/Warren triangle could've been interesting.

I still get upset how the sets looked so lavish on both GL and ATWT about 2004-05, and then went to the pits of hell around 2006 onwards. I wanted the same too. I wanted Holly and Ed to get the final scene in the Bauer kitchen with them saying something impactful and powerful, and shutting out the lights before the cameras panned over outside the kitchen window to a shot of the lighthouse in the distance. The end. Reva and Josh shouldn't've gotten the final scene. That was meant for the Bauers. Minus the gorilla, AW did have a decent finale, which was produced by Goutman and JP! I don't know what the f-ck happened to them following that b/c the final weeks of ATWT were abysmal. I don't hate the finale like most, but many of the characters' endings were horrid.

She'd be all for that as long as she got a payoff in the end.

Wasn't the Rusty Sentell is alive/Tokyo arc around that time too? I've heard many say that they hated that arc too, while I enjoyed it when I read it. Wasn't it Suzy that went blind in the jungle w/ Warren & Brian? I just wish someone would post clips of Search from that time! I just wanna see it! I hate that P&G won't sell their library to someone. Understandable. However, from reading synopsis around that time, I just don't see what was so bad.

I get that. I just took as fans were repulsed by the action as if no one would it. People do it all the time. I do agree that the writers not building up to it was stupid and amateur; however, I still don't see how it'd make me stop watching. Again, maybe this is because I've seen soaps turn into absolute sh-t in the past ten years, so something like that wouldn't bother me. If I grew up during that time, I might've thrown a fit too.

Oh OK. Make sense. But if she had an epiphany and just declared she was over Stu, I could believe as people do that every day.

@Cheap21 @Taoboi @Cat @DaytimeFan @Chris B @Gray Bunny @Antoyne A leaked clip from the reunion:

Oh OK. But I still don't see how Stu's wife running off with the cook was a jump-the-shark moment. Women run off with men all the time.

ATWT had some cheap ass sets too though. I grew tired of looking at the town square, Oakdale PD, the Snyder's kitchen, Lily's new ugly ass house, CarJack's house, Al's Diner, that one suite at the Lakeview that everyone occupied, and that kitchen set that was supposed to be WOAK. All that sh-t made me wanna weep.

I'm not holding my breath when it comes to this Phaedra mess. A part of me believes that she'll be back... Speaking of some people I want gone, I am over Erika and Rinna. Both of them broads can exit stage left. I'll take TayShanna and Brandi over these heffas and I totally hate both of those pieces of trash.

I agree! I just don't get what Frons/NBC saw in cancelling the show. I feel like it still had so much life in it. Yes, killing Suzy wasn't the wisest decision, but the show was still viable. We still had Jo and Stu. As long as those 2 remained at the helm, I think the show could've still been viable.

Why was 1981 such a bad year for the show? I know '84 was probably not so well with old SFT fans b/c the McClearys ate the show, but I do find them all appealing characters, who weren't grating. At least they were ingeniously tied to legacy characters (Cagney with Suzy, Quinn with Sarah & Wendy, Hogan with Sunny & Liza).